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[MADem]

1. Ah, Republican Family Values! Cheer him on, Palin and Jindal! nt

[Dawson Leery]

2. Marry em' young before they mature and learn to think for themselves.

No wonder this scum has such a following. There are many in this world who agree with this vile reactionary.

[treestar]

11. So true.

This is exactly it. Phil is such a dumbass. Does he think in this century we don't understand that? Conservatives are hopeless.

[boston bean]

16. have'm pick ducks, before they pick ya pocket!

what a scum.

[L0oniX]

23. ..or mail order them from...

[PeoViejo]

62. ,,and make sure they can't speak any European languages...

Can't have them calling for help..

[alp227]

27. Haha. Reminds me of that image comparing Duckman and Osama:

Add "believes in the subjugation of women" to this image too.

[Myrina]

66. Go viral, please please please ....

[lancer78]

68. Cartman from south park

must be a follower.

[redstatebluegirl]

3. Is this entire country going crazy?

The comments on the CNN site are crazy! The people who follow this guy are like ditto heads that follow Rush, they dismiss anything they do not want to believe.

I blame the media for putting this junk on television. Honey Boo Boo, the Amish stuff, the 5 wives thing and now this makes me think the country is crazy. They have to be getting ratings or they would not stay on the air.

My Grandfather used to say the democracy was in trouble when the electorate was uneducated and not adequately informed. I think we are there for sure! At least the people who watch this trash fit the mold.

[otohara]

7. No, But...

the media making many dumber by the day.

I had a friend who moved to GA and I swear to God she got stupid to fit in with her GOP hubby and neighbors and is now an outright racist.
So it depends on where you live too.

[redstatebluegirl]

8. I hope that isn't true.

We have lived in Oklahoma for over 12 years now, I am as angry at some of the stupid people as ever. Been called out by some on this board from Oklahoma, and blocked I bet for saying that but it is true. Thankfully we live in a College town and most of our friends are academics. That helps a lot I could not survive otherwise.

[Fawke Em]

9. I grew up in Tennessee and I'm not stupid or racist.

So, no, it has little to do with where you live.

BTW, I still live in Tennessee. I also have friends who live in Georgia. They're also not stupid or racist.

[BarackTheVote]

41. I don't agree that it has nothing to do with where you live

But how you react to where you live depends entirely on your own personality and temperament. Stockholm Syndrome is a very real thing, and some people are more susceptible to it than others. I'll use my aunt for an example: raised as a liberal Catholic and FDR Democrat by her parents, married a fundamentalist Republican, and has gone from a NeoCon to a Tea Bagger with the changing tides because it's easier than fighting her husband/in-laws and because she's just plain steeped in that culture.

[otohara]

73. Yep - Nailed It

I was taking care of this 90 year old lady who married a Republican in her 40's. Turned into one to keep the peace and in fit in in their GOP community in Phoenix.

I asked her if she like FDR - oh she loved him - and used to be a Democrat.
Admitted to becoming a GOP because her of her hubby.

[Fawke Em]

75. Nope. Didn't nail it.

Nail it... by the way... means to crucify.

It's not where you live, dear.

[Fawke Em]

74. That's who she married, not where she lived.

[otohara]

71. Are You My Former Girlfriend?

who got stupid and racist after she moved to Georgia and then married a Republican?

No I didn't think so - she wouldn't be on DU - she's too stupid now.

She watches Michelle Malkin and passes around stupid GOP hate e-mails. This is a person who wanted to work for GreenPeace before she got brainwashed, stupid and yes very racist. It took years of bigotry, hate and a thug husband, but she's is not the same person.

I know her ex-husband is still a liberal living in GA. Yeah!!

[lunasun]

37. yes USA is going crazy and you can find this adulation for devolution now right out of urbam areas

that are up north of Mason Dixon aka the suburbs aka the middle - not backwoods duck hunting types in GA
but this guy is popular to a broad base
that is crazy to me !

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. They are getting some ratings

but here is the trick.

I can produce (think of this as a producer) oh Honey boo boo, and have some ratings... but it sells and the production values are really low. Or I can produce Master Piece Theater, that might even have the same ratings. but it is that much more expensive to produce. Which one do you think the executives will want to see more off?

[BarackTheVote]

42. This is why PBS can never be allowed to go commercial

State and Federal Funding with local support is the only thing keeping Masterpiece Theater, Nova, and other high quality scientific/cultured shows on the air. As federal and state funding have withered, you see the big underwriters, like the Koch Foundation, becoming much more important. Frontline (a PBS national program) was going to do an expose on the Koch Brothers and their antics, but it was crushed by Corporate after pressure from the Kochs. Talk about a conflict of interests.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Fully agreed

[lancer78]

69. Honey Boo-Boo

might be a little trashy. At least they love each other and their gay uncle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Not the point

If I get ratings from a low production/low cost program, vs a high cost/ high production program, and all I care is about selling adds and income, which one do you think I will get behind as an exec? I used master piece theater, which as a commercial venture would have flopped a while ago.

[FatBuddy]

18. we're in a mini dark ages

chock filled with demagoguery, lies, stupidity, and precious little critical reasoning.

[Enthusiast]

59. Well said, FatBuddy!

It's a fact.

[RKP5637]

29. About half of this country is dumber than a bag of rocks! n/t

[jazzimov]

4. "Ya gotta get 'em young

and train 'em right; just like a good bird dog" - "Great Balls of Fire" movie.

[bvar22]

5. It is ALL a SCAM.

There are important issues to spend our time on.
Wasting time and outrage on Manufactured Diversions is blindly following the Lemming in front of you.

Bread & Circuses, except that in our Uniquely American Solution,
it is mostly just circuses and very little bread for the peasants.

Instead of "Let Them Eat Cake"
for the new American Peasant Class (Formerly the Working Class),
it is now,
Fuck Em... let em eat DIRT!

[font size=3]Let 'em eat DIRT!
Hahahahahahahaha[/font]

[Egnever]

6. I think you are right

I am starting to believe this is marketing.

[99Forever]

10. Yes it is.

Looks like they are already reeling into the usual outrage junkies by the barrel full too.



Pathetic.

[Lifelong Protester]

12. The whole thing is pathetic

we have real issues and real problems, but let's all see if we can make a media corporation some more dollars....

I agree, it is all staged.

[Squinch]

51. But it's staged very effectively. And don't kid yourself, this guy's got more of a soap box

than most political figures. More people listen to him.

So, yeah, it's media corporation dollars. It's media corporation dollars being used to mould people's opinions.

ETA and it is working in the political sphere: http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/11/18/duck-dynasty-endorsed-candidate-wins-congressional-election/

[Lifelong Protester]

53. Oh, I'm not kidding myself

I'm sure he's listened to by many-I am just despairing of that fact. When more folks can name the dudes on that duck show than can name their own members of Congress or even a Supreme, we are headed for trouble.

[Squinch]

54. Ill chosen figure of speech. I don't think you're kidding yourself.

[Lifelong Protester]

57. Thanks, 'cause I didn't

think we were arguing or at least, I had hoped not!

Back atcha!

[Jamastiene]

55. Exactly.

It is more of the media keeping people dumb enough to vote Republican. They are doing the country a disservice by keeping people that damn dumb...and getting by with it too.

[Squinch]

56. And that's pretty dumb! But they're very good at it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Your excellent points need to be made more often

I make the "bread & circuses" point sometimes, especially in relation to conspiracy theories that get intelligent people sidetracked chasing weird stuff while the real action takes place elsewhere.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Calling it "Manufactured Diversions" is excellent. When I search for that phrase, the top hits are at DU. Nicely done! DU is ahead of the curve. I will have to start using it.

[tblue]

25. Like a shock jock

Ignore him. If enough people do, this will go away.

[BarackTheVote]

45. Yes it's a distraction, but it's also an important discussion

TV smooths the way for important social change by normalizing it. When the mass culture, as represented by TV and movies, begins to adopt something, that goes out to the populace and brings them face-to-face with people and issues that they might not have encountered in their real lives up to that point. A lot of people point to the Kirk Uhura kiss (first interracial kiss on national TV) as a turning point, and do you think that the LGBT community would be at the level of acceptance it's found in recent decades without things like Will & Grace and basically the entire Bravo Channel line-up? If you do, I think that's kind of naive.

Duck Dynasty is actually a really dangerous show because it does pretty much the exact opposite of the trend for TV to move in a progressive direction.

[spin]

13. In biblical times people married even younger. ....

Marriage Ages in the Bible

By Louis Rushmore

***snip***

Also, under Judaism, boys could marry or make religious vows at 14-years-old and girls at 12-years-old, both only with parental permission, which parental permission was required until both boys or girls were 21-years-old ("Adult Age," McClintock and Strong Encyclopaedia).

***snip***

During the first century, however, it appears to have been the general rule that young people who were "of age" could arrange their own marriages. A girl was considered of age at twelve years and one day. The Jewish rabbis set the minimum age for marriage at twelve years for the girl, and thirteen years for the boy. A boy should certainly be wed by the time he was eighteen to twenty. Betrothal was a vital part of marriage in biblical times. Once a young man had chosen his prospective bride, and she had consented (if of age), a formal declaration of marital intent was made in the presence of two witnesses. The couple was then betrothed. The betrothal period was fixed by law. For a maiden, it was from ten months to a year; for a widow, three months. From the time of her betrothal until the marriage actually took place, a woman was treated as if she were actually married. The betrothal could not be dissolved except by divorce; breach of faithfulness was regarded as adultery. (Jackson)

***snip***

Anciently in biblical times, girls often married at or shortly following puberty, and boys usually married sometime between puberty and their latter teen years. Given the emphasis on family anciently, children often were born to a marriage consequently within the year following marriage.
http://www.gospelgazette.com/gazette/2005/may/page20.htm

Of course in those days the average life expectancy for the average person was in the thirties. Life then was difficult and often brutal but simpler. By the time people in biblical times married they had learned the skills necessary for survival. In today's world a higher level of education is required. In biblical times a woman's job was largely in the home but today it is almost a necessity that a wife is employed outside the home for a family to prosper.

Times change. I feel that a girl who is fifteen or sixteen is too young to marry today.

Teen marriage

Teen marriage is typically defined as the union of two adolescents, joined in marriage from the age range of 13–19 years old. Many factors contribute to teen marriage such as love, teen pregnancy, religion, security, family and peer pressure, arranged marriage, economic and political reasons, social advancement, and cultural reasons. Studies have shown that teenage married couples are often less advantageous, may come from broken homes, may have little education and work low status jobs in comparison to those that marry after adolescence.[1]

Although a majority of teen marriages suffer from complications and often lead to divorce, some are successful. For example, in India, where teenagers are sometimes forced to marry by arrangement, more than 90% of these marriages will not end in divorce. In the United States, half of teen marriages dissolve within 15 years of the marriage.[2] The rate of teen marriage, however, is decreasing due the many opportunities that are available now that previously were not available before. Presently, teen marriage is not widely accepted in much of the world.[3] Teen marriage is most prevalent in culturally or geographically isolated parts of the world and it is decreasing where education is the focus of the population.

***snip***

Historically, most marriages in western culture have had a late age of marriage and an emphasis on the nuclear family.[6] The percentage of women ages 15–19 who are married in the United States is 3.9%, while in the Democratic Republic of the Congo the percentage is 74%.[7] In the U.S., teenage marriages declined significantly after the mid-20th century, but experienced resurgence in the 1990s, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Census data from 2000 show that 4.5% of 15- to 19-year-olds were married, up from 3.4% in 1990. While that was an increase of almost 50%, it was still far below the 9.5% recorded in 1950.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_marriage

[BarackTheVote]

48. Juliet was 13 and Romeo was probably between 16 and 18

So, yeah, "child marriage" has been around for a long time and the norm as we see it is a relatively new thing. That said, if I'm not mistaken, there was a lot more family involvement before recent times; individuals were less mobile and so tended to remain in family units where several generations would share a household (the average age thing is a canard--child death was extraordinarily high and wars made an impact on the 16-30-something range, but if you lives past childhood and avoided dying in a war, you were very likely to live into your 70s-80s).

The Western World has exaggerated the length of childhood, but a lot of that, I feel has to do with the fact that there's such a richness of freely-available knowledge that you simply need more time to become acclimated to the outside world, especially since part of the standard marriage thing in this day in age is that you move away from home into a household that is just you and your spouse and eventually your children. Age and phases of life are largely a sociological construct; as far as nature is concerned, we're mature when we become fertile. But in the modern world, as I said, you have to learn more to be a functioning part of society; people in the past simply had less to learn to reach this level than we do.

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely NOT condoning child marriage nor to I AT ALL support it. My point is that in different times, different norms were accepted. Phil Robertson is living in an out-dated mode. Imagine that.

[spin]

52. Perhaps the lifestyle in West Monroe Louisiana is very different from that in the most ...

of our nation.

Interesting, Phil Robertson and his wife Kay were married at age 16.

Robertson and Marsha "Kay" Carroway started dating in 1964, when Kay was only 14 years old. They married two years later, in 1966. They had their first son, Alan, while they were attending college.[29]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Robertson

It may have worked for him but like you I oppose child marriage.

[jeff47]

64. You have to remember infant mortality with such statistics.

Of course in those days the average life expectancy for the average person was in the thirties.

You have to remember infant and childhood mortality was much, much higher back then. As a result, overall life expectancy was much lower. But anyone who made it to adulthood lived much longer than "average life expectancy" implies.

[spin]

67. That's a good point I didn't consider. (n/t)

[lpbk2713]

14. Barefoot & Pregnant

This mouth breather is a certifiable dumb ass.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

15. OMG the comments. This is a sick, sick country. And the virus that is the

right-wing in this country needs to be eradicated.

[msongs]

19. & if she is not a virgin she must be stoned (using rocks) until she dies nt

[Ikonoklast]

20. You can't fix stupid, and ex-drunk Bible-pounders are among the worst of the stupids.

[Tikki]

21. Phil, not everyone who marries young should follow your tellin'. Mr. and I learned to cook together

We are Atheists and have always been.

My husband helped me learn to change a flat tire, change the oil and air filter and the simple and important procedures to keep our lives and home safe and comfortable. He wanted me to know
these things so if anything happened to him I wouldn't be at the mercy of a man to do things.

I helped him learn to sew and we both learned to iron about the same time. He is as good a
gardener as I am and he knows how to push a broom and make a bed…
He was in the Army in the late 60's.

We don't hunt so we have never had to pluck a duck as you say, but in other acts of physicality we have managed to make the feathers fly, magic happen.

When I married my teen husband he was a nice, kind young man with no prejudice or false allusions on what was going on in the World around him. He still is the kindest man I know.

When he married me, a teen bride, I was happy and in love and ready to sign up to a life long partnership.

Give and take means everything in a relationship…and as most couples who have been together 47 years will tell you…
..So does a sense of humor.

I have never heard or seen you out of a few posts I've read here on DU…So I wouldn't know if you have a sense of humor.
But from the little I read, I don't think I would recommend anyone to listen to you or your advice..you don't sound like a kind man, at all.


Tikki

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. Wow...they already took the page down!

its not the front page and when you click the link in the list...its gone!

[arcane1]

30. It's still there

I think this is the same page:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/12/31/phil-robertson-marry-girls-15-duck-dynasty?hpt=hln10_5&hpt=hp_t2

[PSPS]

26. Who cares?

Don't you realize that the media in the US has become nothing more than the "outrage industry?" It seems to work, apparently. I swear that it seems people on DU comprise the biggest audience for Duck Dynasty (which I had never heard of before,) Rush, Beck and the rest of them. With such numbers/ratings, they're making a fortune on advertising -- the only thing that motivates media to do anything. This CNN homepage is advertising gold.

Also, you have to realize that "Phil Robertson" is all shtick. The more outrageous his shtick, the more attention/advertising his business gets, all for free thanks to CNN and other "news organizations."

[leftyohiolib]

63. outrage industry, a pefect name for our loser media

[SoapBox]

28. He's a creepy perv.

...stoopid and gross. And to think he gets to be on TV for it.

[Whisp]

40. the amount of time spent on this creepy perv here on DU

is truly perplexing.

bottom of the barrel crap seems to make so many, too many so happy here. ugh.

[nolabear]

31. ...

[DirtyDawg]

32. Regardless...

...of what you find offensive about this bunch of peckerwoods, they're all just a bunch of fuc$ing idiots that have gotten rich acting like it...and just who are the idiots on the final analysis?

[RKP5637]

33. DD = Duck Dynasty? Nope, DD = Deviant Dynasty! n/t

[mecherosegarden]

34. Wasn't he referring to the saying:

in the south, "if you marry them when your about 15 or 16, they'll pick your ducks, if you wait till they get to be 20, they pick your pocket?" I am not defending him, but I think that he was referring to that.

I never watched an episode of DD until I heard about the controversy. I think they are kind of funny , but , I lived in the South for almost 30 years .

[pansypoo53219]

35. you killed the duck, YOU get it.

asshole.

[asjr]

36. That man even looks dirty.

[lpbk2713]

47. I agree.

His appearance and the background put me in mind of Ted Kaczynski.

... and then I shudder a little bit.

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

38. I know of more WOMEN that watch and idolize this family, so they need to hear this...

My family was having a discussion about Phil's 2009 remarks before his GQ interview, and I brought up how a neighbor, a non-political (yet hates President Obama) religious woman and her three daughters love this show and this family. She was one of the first to take to Facebook to defend against his comments about homosexuals.

Like my dad said "is this the kind of life she wants her daughters to live!?"

[LittleBlue]

39. Jeebus! This guy again?

More free advertising for his stupid duck show.

Hopefully this family will burn out faster than the Kraptrashians

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

43. Here's another vote, who cares.

[SCVDem]

46. So Phil is an adherent of Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_marital_jurisprudence

Permissible age
Sahih Muslim permits marriage by reaching maturity sexually and mentally (baligh).[citation needed] Sexual maturity in sharia law is typically understood to mean puberty.

My Oh My! Who would have believed this dude is an Islamist?

[Initech]

49. Them dang weemens!! Go back an make me some sammiches!!

[Cha]

50. "Ouch!"! Brilliant, spanone..

what's gotten in to cnn? booby jingal, palin, and all the other manical homophobes will not be amused!

[customerserviceguy]

58. Can we all just go back to ignoring this assclown?

He got the freebie publicity he wanted (of course, he probably had to pay GQ to do an interview with a man whose wardrobe comes from Goodwill and army surplus shops) and has a scad of new viewers who were unaware, in spite of Honey Boo Boo, that it's amusing to laugh at fake caracatures of rural Southerners.

So, can we go back to discussing things that affect ordinary Americans who don't give a shit what this asshat says to get a knee-jerk reaction?

[MynameisBlarney]

60. At my brothers house on xmas day

the discussion devolved to this asshat.
One of the guests, a non-family member, remarked that the duck people were setting examples of good family values.
I let it go as long as I could, but it wasn't long before I had to comment about these good family values he's referring to are in fact great. If you're a racist homophobic pedophile.
He didn't even know the particulars of the uproar.

[Major Hogwash]

61. Sister Sarah couldn't be prouder.

Can't hear me now, I'll yell a little louder.

You know, when Sister Sarah was cheering this ignorant idgit on last week, I knew there would come a moment in time that would make me puke my guts out.
It's here.

[loudsue]

65. That aught to please a lot of church-going republican seniors...

what a horse's ass.

[madokie]

72. Seems it turns out dd isn't good family fun after all

Who'd want their 16 year old daughter marrying an asshole like the people he's apparently talking too