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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:59 PM Jan 2014

The Dark Side Of Kale (And How To Eat Around It

http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it


The headline in The New York Times made my heart sink: “Kale? Juicing? Trouble Ahead.”

Confession: I’m one of those Vitamix-loving, green-smoothie worshipping, kale bandwagoners. I brim with holier-than-thou pride when my kids eat raw kale (no dressing, even!) and thick kale-laden shakes while other children snack on sugary GoGURT squeezes and suck on juice boxes.

I am not alone. Presidents and stars are kale-lovers too.

Kale, in case you haven’t noticed, is health-conscious America’s “it” vegetable. Raw, blended, sauteed or in chip or “crunch” form, it appears to be the manna of celebrities: Gwyneth and Jennifer devour it while Kevin Bacon recently declared [it's] “the age of kale.” In an astutely reported feature called “Stars Who Love Kale,” US Weekly quotes Bette Midler saying: “Kale is burning up the veggisphere.”

Even the Obamas dined on kale salad at their Thanksgiving feast, notes The Washington Post.

But apparently there’s trouble in cruciferous paradise.

Writing for The Times, Jennifer Berman reports on the dark side of kale, and how the health-infused, veggie Eden she’d carefully built over years began to crumble:

Imagine my shock, then, at my last physical, when my doctor told me I had hypothyroidism, common in women over 40. When I got home I looked up the condition on the Internet and found a list of foods to avoid. Kale, which I juiced every morning, tops the list, followed by broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, Brussels sprouts and collard greens — the cruciferous vegetables I consumed in large quantities because they are thought to prevent cancer, which runs in my family. And flax — as in the seeds — high in omega 3’s, that I sprinkled on cereal and blended in strawberry almond milk smoothies. Also forbidden: almonds and strawberries, not to mention soy, peaches, peanuts, corn, radishes, rutabaga and spinach.
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The Dark Side Of Kale (And How To Eat Around It (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jan 2014 OP
Everything in moderation. MinneapolisMatt Jan 2014 #1
In fact, what seems to be fueling the fear in this article kentauros Jan 2014 #20
Too late theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #2
I agree get the red out Jan 2014 #11
I removed raw kale for a different reason. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #3
It might be good for someone with chronic constipation. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #6
Warren... Is that you? Glassunion Jan 2014 #28
Damn, every damn thing is on the internets. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #31
I love all of those vegetables, except for the brussel sprouts, and I eat them LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #4
Poor Brussell Sprouts..... BronxBoy Jan 2014 #17
Probably because few people have access to fresh sprouts or know how to cook them Retrograde Jan 2014 #18
I love them roasted. BronxBoy Jan 2014 #22
Roasted is just the best. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #32
I love brussel sprouts notadmblnd Jan 2014 #27
Read this today on my cancer board. MoonRiver Jan 2014 #5
+1 PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #8
Rotation Is Key otohara Jan 2014 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #25
Big Pharma saves lives! William769 Jan 2014 #26
If I listened to the list of foods to avoid nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #7
There would be nothing left to eat get the red out Jan 2014 #12
This is another article that creates drama and then dials it back. nolabear Jan 2014 #9
My favorite cooked greens in order. Ganja Ninja Jan 2014 #10
I know it was spell check curlyred Jan 2014 #30
My favorite food is Brussels Sprouts get the red out Jan 2014 #13
Including myself, I know others who have hypothyrioism that are in their 20s. Neoma Jan 2014 #15
I stopped watching the Food Network because it seemed like the majority of shows featured catbyte Jan 2014 #16
I never understood this whole juicing thing Retrograde Jan 2014 #19
Almost bought pipi_k Jan 2014 #23
I read this yesterday. Interesting, but I'm not sure it's applicable to most people who eat kale. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #21
kale, chard, and spinach salads have been a big part of how I have lost 20 lbs in the last liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #24
From my cold, dead hands! Glassunion Jan 2014 #29
Less Kale, More Cale FrodosPet Jan 2014 #33

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
20. In fact, what seems to be fueling the fear in this article
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jan 2014

has nothing to do with moderation. From further down in the article content not posted:

Very high intakes of cruciferous vegetables…have been found to cause hypothyroidism (insufficient thyroid hormone) in animals (68). There has been one case report of an 88-year-old woman developing severe hypothyroidism and coma following consumption of an estimated 1.0 to 1.5 kg/day of raw bok choy for several months. Two mechanisms have been identified to explain this effect. The hydrolysis of some glucosinolates found in cruciferous vegetables (e.g., progoitrin) may yield a compound known as goitrin, which has been found to interfere with thyroid hormone synthesis. The hydrolysis of another class of glucosinolates, known as indole glucosinolates, results in the release of thiocyanate ions, which can compete with iodine for uptake by the thyroid gland. Increased exposure to thiocyanate ions from cruciferous vegetable consumption or, more commonly, from cigarette smoking, does not appear to increase the risk of hypothyroidism unless accompanied by iodine deficiency. One study in humans found that the consumption of 150 g/day (5 oz/day) of cooked Brussels sprouts for four weeks had no adverse effects on thyroid function.
(emphasis mine)

And for those that don't remember their metric conversions, 1 kilogram (kg) is 2.2 pounds!

Really now, I see nothing to worry about at all.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
2. Too late
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jan 2014

I love kale and I ain't stoppin'. Hell, it seems every other week there's a new list of foods we're supposed to avoid. Since I've been eating kale as a staple for nearly 60 years, I figure the damage is already done. Now I think I'll go to the kitchen and fix up a pot of ham & cabbage....

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
11. I agree
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jan 2014

I was eating "healthy" several lists ago, at this point I just try to use common sense and go with what works for my body.

I think a bunch of this every changing nutrition advice is about maximizing profits anyway. Look at juicing, those juicers are expensive! If they change the "rules" every week people who try to follow the rules have to constantly buy more gadgets and special foods. It's a cycle of profit.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. I removed raw kale for a different reason.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jan 2014

It appeared to bring forth urgent massive shit attacks, making morning bike rides an interesting adventure. Cooked kale doesn't have this affect on me.

LuvNewcastle

(16,845 posts)
4. I love all of those vegetables, except for the brussel sprouts, and I eat them
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

even though I have hypothyroidism. In fact, I pretty much eat what I want. I've been on medication for it for years and I have regular blood tests every 3 months because of some other meds I take. The hypothyroid medicine works just fine, and I never have an issue with my thyroid. I don't eat any of those things every day, though. Unless you have an extremely unusual problem, moderate amounts shouldn't harm you.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
18. Probably because few people have access to fresh sprouts or know how to cook them
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jan 2014

I disliked them until I had my first ones fresh off the stalk (it helps that much of the US crop is grown within an hour's drive of where I live, and growers sell them at the local farmers' market). Fresh, simply steamed or roasted with maybe some good oil and vinegar and they're divine. Frozen then boiled to within an inch of their lives, not so good. And I shudder to even think of canned ones.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
22. I love them roasted.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

It's definitely a veggie that needs to be fresh and treated with respect in the kitchen

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
5. Read this today on my cancer board.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

Can't for the life of me understand why people gorge themselves on one thing in the mistaken belief that it will bring them good health. Hello, we need a BALANCED diet.

Response to otohara (Reply #14)

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
12. There would be nothing left to eat
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

If you put every list of "bad" foods together, you'd die of starvation trying to stay healthy.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
9. This is another article that creates drama and then dials it back.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jan 2014

I hate these kinds of "health" articles. They start out with a headline designed to shock and frighten and then as they go on they pull back further and further, until they end with "Of course anything done to a ridiculous excess can cause problems, particularly if you have an underlying condition, so just don't overdo, kids, mkay?"

Eat your vegetables.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
10. My favorite cooked greens in order.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

Broccoli Rob, Turnip Greens, Spinach (with Parsley, Scallions & Cheese) Collards, Mustard, Kale. I've tried Kale but I just can't get into it.

curlyred

(1,879 posts)
30. I know it was spell check
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jan 2014

But I am just tickled to read"broccoli Rob". So much better than plain old broccoli rabe.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
13. My favorite food is Brussels Sprouts
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

And the nutrition nuts will need a fucking court order to take them from me, I have knives. BREAD knives, yea, I know bread is illegal now too, take that rebellion!

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
15. Including myself, I know others who have hypothyrioism that are in their 20s.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jan 2014

Since I was thin as a rail, people sort of questioned that it wasn't hyper instead of hypo...Apparently my doctor caught it when I got it. Though really, I don't doubt that some people have hypothyroidism for a long time before they find out, as with all things.

catbyte

(34,384 posts)
16. I stopped watching the Food Network because it seemed like the majority of shows featured
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jan 2014

recipes with either kale or lamb, both of which I do not eat. I don't eat kale because I don't like it; I don't eat lamb because it's well, lamb.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
19. I never understood this whole juicing thing
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jan 2014

if you want to eat vegetables, eat vegetables - and keep the fiber in them.

Kale's OK, and I'm not planning on increasing or decreasing my consumption. I've been around long enough to see miracle foods come and go: I figure that going for variety means at least some of them will be good for you.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
23. Almost bought
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jan 2014

a juicer some years back but never did.

Last month I got a NutriBullet. It doesn't juice...it pulverizes so you get the entire vegetable or fruit, fiber and all.

So far I haven't found a combination of vegies or fruits (or even a mixture of the two) that doesn't taste good.

One fruit/vegie drink a day (or mixed into hot soup) at lunch and my fat gut seems to be shrinking a bit.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. I read this yesterday. Interesting, but I'm not sure it's applicable to most people who eat kale.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jan 2014

It sounds like problems can show up with eating a LOT of kale, particularly a lot of raw Kale, which (I guess unless you're juicing it) doesn't seem to be a very preferable way to eat the stuff.

I particularly like Kale because it's pretty versatile- it's good in stir fry and it's also really tasty just baked- it's pretty easy to grow; and will grow year-round up here, in fact the climate seems to be about perfect for it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
24. kale, chard, and spinach salads have been a big part of how I have lost 20 lbs in the last
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jan 2014

5 months. I've also started adding vegetables in with my breakfast. I never gave omelettes much thought before I started doing this but omelettes are awesome for adding vegetables to your breakfast. I have been eating egg whites for years but never thought about adding vegetables to them until now. I love it. I can even put mushrooms in it and the taste of the egg and vegetables mask the taste of the mushroom. I've never been a big fan of mushrooms but they are suppose to be good at preventing cancer. Eating salads before I eat my main dish at lunch and dinner have helped me cut back on how much of the main dish I eat, and I have sneaked in a treat. If I add a very small desert after lunch or dinner then I can eat a treat without over indulging because I'm already full on lunch or dinner. I have a family history of cancer as well, and I have the BRCA1 gene mutation so I am very interested in eating foods that will help prevent cancer. I sprinkle flax seeds on oatmeal or in my salad. I love the word moderation because quite frankly I get tired of people telling me I can never have sugar ever again in my life. Yeah, watch me. I love sugar. I will not completely give up sugar, but I have learned how to eat it more in moderation. Same goes for the healthy stuff. I hear too much soy can cause problems too, and since I am trying to prevent cancer you won't catch me eating pounds and pounds of it. But I might consider trying it because most things in moderation are a good part of a balanced diet. So, as with most other things I will keep eating kale but will make sure to eat it in moderation as part of a balanced diet.

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