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packman

(16,296 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:34 PM Jan 2014

8k to 18k dead, 1/2 million injured-Industrial "accident"

makes the incident in WV look like a harmless prank by your friendly industrial corporation .
How many remember this? Reading about the consequences, India could only sentence the people who did this to a few years in jail and less than $3k fine . And it still is an on-going case and the remains of the plant is still contaminating the area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

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8k to 18k dead, 1/2 million injured-Industrial "accident" (Original Post) packman Jan 2014 OP
I remember that! Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #1
I've started to view the circumstances differently after several people hedgehog Jan 2014 #2
good whitewash. WhiteTara Jan 2014 #3
Not whitewash, just a mention of mitigating factors. hedgehog Jan 2014 #5
If there's a host of problems packman Jan 2014 #4
A possible market of 1.2 billion people is a good reason to have a presence in India. hedgehog Jan 2014 #6
You fail to understand the most important factor... Bigmack Jan 2014 #7
You think Appalachian coal miners are more WhiteTara Jan 2014 #9
Sure, one of the first things to twist me away from Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2014 #8
Or this? redqueen Jan 2014 #10

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
2. I've started to view the circumstances differently after several people
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jan 2014

I know from various international firms were involved in industrial projects in India. There are major problems bringing world class safety and operating methods to India. Often, companies are required to purchase sub-standard Indian manufactured components and have them installed by unskilled Indian owned firms. In one instance, a contractor was hired and paid as required, but that contractor's employees were not allowed on site. Another competent firm did the actual work.

Again, there is a real problem at the hand-off to Indian managers. The home office may order certain standards, but they tend to be ignored on the ground.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
5. Not whitewash, just a mention of mitigating factors.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jan 2014

The people on the ground who should have been taking care of things were actually making things worse. The people in the US who should have been keeping tabs, didn't.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
4. If there's a host of problems
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jan 2014

then why do they want to build in such a country? I suppose it's the cheap labor, lack of regulations, cheap land, proximity to factories using their products that inspired Union Carbide to build in India. Why build in their own backyard when the one across the sea offers so much more in terms of money, lack of laws and quick profit? I can't buy the argument that unskilled labor and local corruption caused this accident, I believe it was greed and profit motive that killed those thousands. The plant should have been built in a country with strong laws and adequate oversight.

I think there was a lot of wink-wink, nudge-nudge going on between the home office and the locals.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
6. A possible market of 1.2 billion people is a good reason to have a presence in India.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jan 2014

As for wink-wink, nudge-nudge, Union Carbide was running a matching operation in (wait for it) West Virginia. Apparently, the plant was never shut down, just sold off to other companies.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/06/11/2651/25-years-after-bhopal-us-plant-still-using-same-toxic-chemical


 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
7. You fail to understand the most important factor...
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jan 2014

... in the Bhopal poisoning.

They're brown people.

Brown lives... not so important.

Do I really have to add ?

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
9. You think Appalachian coal miners are more
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

important to them? Nah. Just a bunch of trash all the way around.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
8. Sure, one of the first things to twist me away from Wall St.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jan 2014

The last thing I want in my bank account are the proceeds from human suffering. Others may be fine with it, as they obviously are. For some of us it turns our stomachs far more than any amount of gold can alleviate.

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