Has it dawned on DUers that Obama and Hillary are getting more blame for

[malaise]

Benghazi that the Bush goons got for the real 9/11 and the 3,000+ American deaths; more blame than Reagan and the over 200 dead marines in Lebanon.

It was Boehner's ReTHUGs who would cut funds for security at all levels of the State Department.

The political elites are fucking crazy.

[shenmue]

1. True

I think you got it right.

[House of Roberts]

2. My theory on Benghazi.

Something covert was ongoing to put the Ambassador in such a lightly defended facility.

Said covert activity can't be declassified to explain why he was put in danger, leaving no plausible explanation for what happened.

Everything else is as speculative, as my theory, IMO.

[tridim]

5. It wasn't covert when the Republicans cut funding for embassy security.

[House of Roberts]

6. Nor is that speculative.

That is a fact!

[baldguy]

8. But that fact is never included in any reports about the attack. Ever.

[secondwind]

10. That is my opinion also, we will never know... because it was a covert operation

[House of Roberts]

11. Yes. The CIA told the State Department what to say.

Whether it was true or not isn't the fault of the State Department. The CIA should be taking the heat for this.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. The explanation detailed in the NY Times article is perfectly plausible

They (Stevens and Co.) misread the situation. It happens all the time. Government officials are not all-knowing. They're human and fallible like the rest of us. They misread crowds all the time. Hell, in 1979 a mob took over the entire US Embassy in Pakistan and burned it to the ground, killing a US Marine. We hardly ever hear about that (we always hear about Iran).

The explanation we have - a fired up mob in an increasingly unfriendly environment had an odd trigger (that imbecile film) and attacked the facility. Done. US personnel were there for their ordinary business, and didn't realize how unstable the situation was until it was too late. Shit moves slowly because people were caught off guard. I don't understand what's not "plausible" about any of this. It strikes me as not only plausible, but utterly likely.

[watoos]

14. It's not a theory

you are right. Lost in the discussion is the fact that Stevens wasn't at the embassy in Libya, it was well defended. He was off with the CIA in a villa in Benghazi. What was he doing there would have been a good question for Darrell Issa to ask. Since the CIA was involved we will never know the truth and that suits the Repugs just fine, they can make shit up. Notice also how Repug presidential wannabe, David Petraeus is getting a pass in all of this, even though it was a CIA villa.

[B Calm]

3. Damn liberal media!

You'd think they would be reporting how congress underfunded their protection in Benghazi before the attack.

[Fumesucker]

4. Crazy like a damn fox they are

Or maybe that's crazy like a Fox.

DC is wired for Republican rule, anyone non Republican is always considered an interloper at best.

[merrily]

7. More blame from whom?

As I recall, Bush got a hell of a lot of blame from Democrats, but not so much from Republicans; and now Obama is getting a lot of blame from Republicans and not so much from Democrats.

It's politics.

[Octafish]

12. Absolutely. Like the time Pelosi said ''Impeachment is off the table.''

Then there was that time they all went to jail for outting the CIA officer and lying America into war not.

The media are owned by the GOP greedhead warmonger bankster class, which makes it a problem for democracy.

[merrily]

22. True. Media make me so mad I could spit.

[CJCRANE]

21. Bush was at 90% approval after 9/11. Everyone fell in line.

No one said anything against him, except maybe a few "fringe nutters" here on DU.

[merrily]

23. True,

but I am guessing FDR's were high after Pearl Harbor--or would have been if they were doing that kind of polling then (no idea if they were or not, probably not).

Bush's approval ratings did not stay that high. Iraq and Katrina were factors, and deservedly so. By around 2007, his ratings were in the 30s overall, IIRC, and even lower among only Democrats. And Cheney's went down to Congressional levels among people from both parties. I think he was around 9 or 11 in one poll.

Obama had no equivalent of 911, but his approval ratings were quite high after his first election and overall, pretty good for a lot of years in office.

But the comment I made was about criticism. Yes, as another poster pointed out, Pelosi took impeachment off the table, but she and other elected Democrats did criticize Bush plenty publicly. As far as people who are not professional politicians, I heard and participated in tons of criticism about Bush (none of which I regret).

[kairos12]

9. Like Shrub and Darth Cheney, for Obama and Hillary to get a pass they

would to testify together and not under oath. That gets you free and clear in today's libruhl media.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. That's because Republicans don't 'turn the page, look forward not back'

and they never, ever take impeachment off of any table, ever. The Democratic Party failed to state where blame belonged when Bush was to blame, they were all about bipartisanship and when Obama came in he ordered us to turn a blind eye to what had been done to our country by his predecessors. He claimed that to seek justice for our fellow citizens was merely 'seeking political revenge'.
Tom Coburn is Obama's best friend, that's what matters, that's what's important, Cobrun's wife and the First Lady get on like sisters, and that is the important thing, no justice, not security, not the people's future. Friendship with a Republican couple is the goal, the be all, the end all.
So please return to looking forward, not back.

[n2doc]

16. toon for you

[asjr]

17. I have realized that the media does

whatever it pleases concerning blame. If Republicans win in 14 and 16 I will not be surprised. The media will be all over the race after predicting a win for Republicans. I have stopped watching television and get news from DU. I've said it before and say it again, the media is our worst enemy.

[spanone]

18. more blame than bu$h got for starting an 'unnecessary' war..killing HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS

[jimlup]

19. Yes there is a dramatic assymetry to our system.

I guess I don''t really know why either. Maybe just that dems are more likely to avoid making a spectacle "for the (alleged) good of the country." Not saying that it is right or wrong but the middle of the democratic party doesn't fight like the middle of the Repuklian party does.

[Boom Sound 416]

20. That's a tough stick to stick

Maybe if Hillary said, I'd love to provide more security, please write congress for more funds.

Or maybe if she hadn't made an ad during the campaign asserting Obama wasn't ready for a 3am phone call.

Or maybe if she hadn't flipped out during congressional hearings.

Or maybe if she hadn't stood in front of four caskets and blamed the whole thing on You Tube.

Maybe, just maybe.