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According to a new book by prolific conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi, the Fuhrer didnt commit suicide but instead escaped Berlin with the help of the U.S. government.
Jerome R. Corsi is a bona fide conspiracy theorist. Since 2004s Unfit for Command, the New York Times best-selling--and widely denounced--takedown of then-presidential candidate John Kerry, Corsi has churned out a constant stream of articles and books pushing unsubstantiated ideas on everything from the origin of oil to the U.S.s role in 9/11 to Barack Obamas nationality--all the while waving his Harvard PhD. as some kind of evidence that hes not a complete and utter wingnut.
Corsis latest hypothesis, detailed in his new book Hunting Hitler, is that the German dictator didnt actually kill himself alongside wife Eva Braun in his Berlin bunker as history books would have us believe. According to Corsi, Hitler actually escaped Germany as the Third Reich fell, and he did it with the help of none other than the U.S. government.
Corsis argument is that theres no real proof Hitler didnt escape. The world has long been willing to accept the idea that Hitler shot himself while Braun took cyanide, but where is the photographic evidence? The worlds most notorious genocidal maniac shot himself in a private bunker and no one took pictures? Corsi doesnt buy it.
What really solidified Corsis suspicions, however, was the fact that, in 2009, an American archaeologist examined skull fragments long pointed to as proof of Hitlers suicide by the Russian Federation State Archive, and found that they didnt belong to Hitler at all. Then there were alleged doubts from both Stalin and Eisenhower about Hitlers death. And the U.S.s inability to obtain any of the Fuhrers physical remains. And the absence of any testimony from witnesses who heard the shots from the bunker. All this led Corsi to conclude that U.S. intelligence agents, including Allen Dulles, who later became director of the CIA, helped Hitler and Braun escape to Argentina. There, Corsi claims, the two retired peacefully in a mansion built by German expats hidden by the Bariloche forests.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/16/conspiracy-theorist-argues-that-hitler-escaped-to-argentina.html
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For some reason, I just knew the following type comment would be appearing below the article in this OP:
truthdeliverer 1 hour ago
Hitler's son is sitting in the Oval Oriface.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Bush Family Nazi Connections
by William Bowles
ThirdWorldTraveler
EXCERPT...
"George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, also set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest."
SNIP...
"On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)
"The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."
"Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives.
"Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.)."
CONTINUED...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/BushFamily_NaziConnections.html
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)......where his head is being kept alive to direct the secret war against the Rockefeller moon base. Don't you keep up with this stuff?
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I'm not sure it even qualifies as 'science-fiction' either!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)very eye opening!
and even more factual than LOOSE CHANGE!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I had to turn it off when it showed a Nazi in a spacesuit riding a motorcycle, puffing exhaust, down a road on the lunar surface.
Not that the rest of it didn't also strain credulity.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)FSogol
(45,595 posts)The 2002 film starring Bruce Campbell in which: Elvis and JFK, both alive and in nursing homes, fight for the souls of their fellow residents as they battle an ancient Egyptian Mummy. JFK was put into the body of an African American and Elvis was double crossed and replaced by one of his impersonators who died.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0281686/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
zappaman
(20,606 posts)FSogol
(45,595 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's a real eye-opener. Not.
I think somebody took away his tin-foil hat so that he can get the treatment he needs.
Cashews, pistachios or peanuts for this one? Maybe pecans? Fruitcakes don't contain enough.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)We are told they were burnt by gasoline outside the bunker. Gasoline does not burn hot and the bodies would be disfigured not burnt up. Russians were almost immediately there and had a specially trained unit assigned to find the top Nazi leaders. They could find nothing in the bunker area except a few skull fragments. Those were later determined to be of a young woman and not Eva Braun. The book in the OP is not putting out a new theory. Others have described the same thing. Grey Wolf came out a few years ago with the same claims.
econoclast
(543 posts)There was an actual documentary a few years back based on declassified Soviet and East German records. The Soviets found the burned bodies outside the bunker. Took them for autopsy and identification. Once the were satisfied it was Hitler they didn't quite know what to do with the remains. Didn't want to destroy them .... They might one day have to prove he's dead. But didn't want them around to become some kind of weird Nazi talisman either. (The US's OBL problem exactly) Apparently they were buried, dug up and re-buried several times.
But bet your bottom dollar he died before the end of WWII. After the carnage they went through at Hitler's hand there is NO WAY the Soviets would have ceased hostilities until they had him or his body.
former9thward
(32,165 posts)Many U.S. commanders wanted to continue the war against the Soviets. The Soviets claimed to have found the body but there is little else they could do. At the Potsdam Conference Truman asked Stalin if Hitler was dead and Stalin replied "No." In 1952 Eisenhower said they had not been able to come up with any tangible evidence of Hitler's death. For decades the Soviets claimed to have Hitler's skull. After the Cold War ended the skull was tested and was found to be young woman.
Both the U.S. and the Soviets wanted Nazi scientists. If they had pursued a hard effort to find Hitler and shut down the Nazi escape routes to South American and elsewhere it would have thrown roadblocks into that effort. Unless we build a time machine my bottom dollar is safe!
Archae
(46,375 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)My own opinion is that he did die in the bunker. I find highly unlikely that with his personality he would have allowed himself to be taken prisoner by the Soviets or have been able to live quietly anywhere.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)can be reconstructed with some confidence from testimony
Albert Speer later testified that Hitler had told him on 22 April he intended to commit suicide and have his body burned. Speer, as the only top Nazi to express regret for his role in the Third Reich, is generally regarded as a reliable witness
Valet Heinz Linge later testified that Hitler had told him on 28 April he intended to commit suicide and have his body burned and gave some instructions to Linge regarding the cremation
Hitler Youth leader Artur Axmann later testified he had heard the gunshot when Hitler committed suicide, before escaping from the bunker with Martin Bormann and Ludwig Stumpfegger, from whom he then separated; returning later on the same path, he testified he saw the bodies of Borman and Stumpfegger. Two buried skeletons were discovered during construction in 1972 a few yards from the location Axmann had identified, both apparently dead from glass cyanide capsules, and one skeleton was conclusively identified as Bormann's using DNA in 1998, which suggests Axmann is a reliable witness
Hitler's personal pilot Hans Baur was in the bunker until after the suicide; he had had plans to fly Hitler to safety from Berlin, which Hitler declined, and after Hitler's suicide found the roads too damaged to use as airstrips, so escaped the bunker on foot and was captured. Had he flown Hitler to safety at the end of April, as sometimes conjectured, there would have been no reason for him to fly back to the bunker, and it's doubtful he could have landed safely due to rapidly deteriorating conditions
Hitler's chaffeur Erich Kempka later said he had fled from the bunker as Hitler prepared to commit suicide. He was responsible for delivery of some gasoline used to burn the corpses
Otto Günsche was instructed prior to Hitler's suicide on disposal of the body and stood guard outside the room while Hitler committed suicide. He was promptly captured by the Soviets in Berlin
Courier Rochus Misch was present when Hitler's body was discovered in the bunker and when Goebbels committed suicide. He was promptly captured by the Soviets
Armin Lehmann was Hitler's courier when Hitler committed suicide. He participated in the subsequent break-out from the bunker
Werner Naumann did escape from the bunker and finally made his way to Argentina. He had left the bunker originally in a group including Bormann, Stumpfegger, Axmann, and Baur. He returned to Germany secretly a few years later, where he was arrested for Nazi activity
Three couriers smuggled Hitler's 29 April last will and testament from the bunker: Heinz Lorenz, Willy Johannmeyer, and Wilhelm Zander. All were eventually captured by British or American forces
Wilhelm Burgdorf, a witness to Hitler's last will and testament, committed suicide on 2 May as also did witness Hans Krebs
The chances for anyone in the bunker pulling off Naumann's stunt were quite slim. Günsche, Linge, and Misch were captured in early May. Bormann and Stumpfegger committed suicide in Berlin, apparently concluding escape was impossible. Peter Högl and Ewald Lindloff died in Berlin on 2 May after escaping the bunker. Axmann, Baur, and Kempka escaped from Berlin but were later arrested in Germany. It took Lehmann two months to work his way from the bunker to the American zone of occupation
The chance that Hitler himself could have pulled off such a stunt was even slimmer. His image had been published worldwide for rather more than decade. Berlin was full of allied soldiers who loathed him. And the truth is, he wasn't very popular in Germany anymore, either, except among Nazi fanatics. The regular military had never much like him, and less than a year before had actually tried to kill him. Hitler had also surrounded himself with opportunists seeking their own power: by April, Himmler was trying to negotiate a separate peace with the allies, while Goring tried to convince Hitler to had over power to Goring. Speer testified that at this time he had formulated his own plan to kill Hitler by poison gas but was foiled by a tall chimney added to a bunker ventilation shaft. And Berlin in ruins: people there were concerned with their own survival, not with risking their lives to help a sick old crazy man who had destroyed their country
Behind the Aegis
(54,064 posts)I saw it on "The Simpsons"!
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . you know, because I always get my history from WND-contributing, discredited many times over, birther liar nutloon fucksticks who look like they tossed their high-blood-pressure meds out.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so does that mean he got a few copies of a few far right books? I think so.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)about how his son and daughter escaped to Argentina - helped by the Catholic Church. That was in the late 50s. I have no idea what evidence they had back then. They were supposedly smuggled out before the suicide. The children were his and Eva's. I never knew if I believed it or not.