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applegrove

(118,654 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:27 PM Jan 2014

"What Happens When the Poor Receive a Stipend?"

What Happens When the Poor Receive a Stipend?

By MOISES VELASQUEZ-MANOFF at the NY Times

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/18/what-happens-when-the-poor-receive-a-stipend/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&

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A parallel study at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill also highlights the insidious effect of poverty on parenting. The Family Life Project, now in its 11th year, has followed nearly 1,300 mostly poor rural children in North Carolina and Pennsylvania from birth. Scientists quantify maternal education, income and neighborhood safety, among other factors. The stressors work cumulatively, they’ve found. The more they bear down as a whole, the more parental nurturing and support, as measured by observers, declines.

By age 3, measures of vocabulary, working memory and executive function show an inverse relationship with the stressors experienced by parents.

These skills are thought important for success and well-being in life. Maternal warmth can seemingly protect children from environmental stresses, however; at least in these communities, parenting quality seems to matter more to a child than material circumstances. On the other hand, few parents managed high levels of nurturing while also experiencing great strain. All of which highlights an emerging theme in this science: Early-life poverty may harm, in part, by warping and eroding the bonds between children and caregivers that are important for healthy development.

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If that’s the primary takeaway, then we have some thinking to do. Some people feel that “if you’re poor, it’s because you deserve it,” Professor Costello said. “If you’re sick, it’s because you deserve it,” she said.

But if giving poor families with children a little extra cash not only helps them, but also saves society money in the long run, then, says Professor Costello, withholding the help is something other than rational.

“You’re not doing it because it pains you to do it,” she said. “That’s a very valuable lesson for society to learn.”




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"What Happens When the Poor Receive a Stipend?" (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2014 OP
We need a guaranteed income whether we are "working" or not. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #1
And people could pay for their own university or apprenticeship. applegrove Jan 2014 #2
Excellent idea. n/t A Little Weird Jan 2014 #3
+1 Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2014 #17
The people who promote the "you're poor because you deserve it" meme are also promoting valerief Jan 2014 #4
Absolutely Victor_c3 Jan 2014 #18
Bwahahahaha! You made me LOL! valerief Jan 2014 #23
Fight Poverty By Giving Poor People Money El_Johns Jan 2014 #5
We rely on charity Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #7
Thank you so much for posting this reply. You should repost it as an OP every day. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #19
El_Johns, this is an exceptional post. I hope you'll start another thread with it. hedda_foil Jan 2014 #24
This terrifies me Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #6
I would seek out a social worker to see if you can get into a program that will help applegrove Jan 2014 #8
We just had services cut Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Jan 2014 #14
Oh, we definitely do that Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #15
Cool. I really do think the pendulum applegrove Jan 2014 #16
I hope things get better for you soon. It's good you can see it affects you, hopefully that will El_Johns Jan 2014 #9
Thank you Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #11
I don't think it will, because you are conscious of the possibility. El_Johns Jan 2014 #12
For you to be upper class means lots of other people have to be poor. bemildred Jan 2014 #13
du rec. xchrom Jan 2014 #20
Is there no other way the world may live? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #21
"... withholding the help is something other than rational." Scuba Jan 2014 #22
Something other than rational. Octafish Jan 2014 #25

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
1. We need a guaranteed income whether we are "working" or not.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jan 2014

$24,000 for every adult per year. Would wipe out the poverty pimp system and save local, state, and federal government money.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
4. The people who promote the "you're poor because you deserve it" meme are also promoting
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jan 2014

the "you're rich because you deserve it" meme. Guess who the promoters are. The rich.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
18. Absolutely
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:20 AM
Jan 2014

I'm a chemist and a generally smart guy and I work with a group of people who have PhD and MA degrees in various scientific fields. Some of these people are absolutely brilliant and I'm sure at least two of them score on the "genius" level on IQ tests.

At work, I love to point out with a healthy dose of sarcasm that the rich are rich because they are smarter and work harder than we do.

Specific examples include Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, george w. bush, Perry, Paris Hilton, etc.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
5. Fight Poverty By Giving Poor People Money
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jan 2014

But here's a great writeup from Moises Velazquez-Manoff of a study of an unconditional cash transfer program related to a casino gambling windfall along the Cherokee that suggests yes it can:

[J]ust four years after the supplements began, Professor Costello observed marked improvements among those who moved out of poverty. The frequency of behavioral problems declined by 40 percent, nearly reaching the risk of children who had never been poor. Already well-off Cherokee children, on the other hand, showed no improvement. The supplements seemed to benefit the poorest children most dramatically. [...]

She and her colleagues kept following the children. Minor crimes committed by Cherokee youth declined. On-time high school graduation rates improved. And by 2006, when the supplements had grown to about $9,000 yearly per member, Professor Costello could make another observation: The earlier the supplements arrived in a child’s life, the better that child’s mental health in early adulthood. [...]

What precisely did the income change? Ongoing interviews with both parents and children suggested one variable in particular. The money, which amounted to between one-third and one-quarter of poor families’ income at one point, seemed to improve parenting quality.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/01/19/fight_poverty_by_giving_money_to_the_poor_more_evidence_that_it_works.html


Welfare Works

That’s what makes new research into Mothers’ Pensions, one of America’s earliest welfare programs, so fascinating. These state-level programs for widows became popular in the early decades of the 20th century, before the financial strain of the Great Depression rendered them nonviable; later, the New Deal stepped in with the federal program Aid to Families With Dependent Children (AFDC; later replaced by Temporary Assistance for Needy Families or TANF).

Anna Aizer, Shari Eli, Joseph Ferrie, Adriana Lleras-Muney, and a team of research assistants took a detailed look at kids who grew up in Mothers’ Pension households and drew some conclusions about the long-term benefits of modest cash transfers. The program is old enough that almost all the kids whose moms received money are dead now, allowing the researchers to conclude definitively that it increased life expectancy. What’s more, World War II draft records show that poor kids whose moms received pensions were substantially healthier, had more years of schooling, and earned higher incomes than similar kids whose moms didn’t get pensions.


What Happens When You Just Give Money To Poor People?

The idea behind this is simple. Poor people know what they need, and if you give them money they can buy it.

But to some veterans of the charity world, giving cash is worrisome. When we first reported on this we spoke with Carol Bellamy, who used to run UNICEF, and who said people might spend the money on things like alcohol or gambling.

To see whether this was actually happening, researchers did an experiment. They surveyed people in Kenya who received money from GiveDirectly, and a similar group of people who didn't get money.

The results from the study are encouraging, says Johannes Haushofer, an economist at MIT's Poverty Action Lab who was one of the study's co-authors.

"We don't see people spending money on alcohol and tobacco," he says. "Instead we see them investing in their kids' education, we see them investing in health care. They buy more and better food."

People used the money to buy cows and start businesses. Their kids went hungry less often.

Niehaus says for him, the most interesting results from the new research were the improvements in mental health. Getting money made people happier, less stressed out.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/11/08/243967328/episode-494-what-happens-when-you-just-give-money-to-poor-people


A trial in Vietnam in 2006 gave one-off handouts to 550 households; two years later, local poverty rates had fallen by 20 percentage points. The scheme was dubbed “cash for coffins” after elderly recipients spent the money on their funeral arrangements to save their children the expense.

A different scheme has been running in northern Uganda for four years. The government gives lump sums of around $10,000 to groups of 20 or so young people who club together to apply. Chris Blattman of Columbia University, New York, who has studied the programme, calls it “wildly successful”. Recipients spent a third of the money learning a trade (such as metalworking or tailoring) and much of the rest on tools and stock. They set up enterprises and work longer hours in their new trades. Average earnings rose by almost 50% in four years.

In such conditions, the schemes provide better returns than job-training programmes that mainstream aid agencies favour. Remarkably, they even do better than secondary education, which pushes up wages in poor countries by 10-15% for each extra year of schooling.

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21588385-giving-money-directly-poor-people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal


Free money might be the best way to end poverty


In May 2009, a small experiment involving 13 homeless men took off in London. Some of them had slept in the cold for more than 40 years. The presence of these street veterans was far from cheap. Police, legal services, health care: Each cost taxpayers thousands of pounds every year.

That spring, a local charity decided to make the street veterans — sometimes called rough sleepers — the beneficiaries of an innovative social experiment. No more food stamps, food-kitchen dinners or sporadic shelter stays. The 13 would get a drastic bailout, financed by taxpayers. Each would receive 3,000 pounds (about $4,500), in cash, with no strings attached. The men were free to decide what to spend it on.

I didn’t have enormous expectations,” an aid worker recalled a year later. Yet.... None of the men wasted his money on alcohol, drugs or gambling. A year later, 11 of the 13 had roofs over their heads. (Some went to hostels; others to shelters.) They enrolled in classes, learned how to cook, got treatment for drug abuse and made plans for the future. After decades of authorities’ fruitless pushing, pulling, fines and persecution, 11 vagrants moved off the streets.

The cost? About 50,000 pounds, including the wages of the aid workers. In addition to giving 11 individuals another shot at life, the project had saved money by a factor of multiples. Even The Economist concluded: “The most efficient way to spend money on the homeless might be to give it to them.”

What if this pilot program has broader implications? Societies tend to presume that poor people are unable to handle money. If they had any, people reason, the poor and homeless would probably spend it on fast food and cheap beer, not on fruit or education. This kind of reasoning nourishes the myriad ingenious social programs, administrative jungles, armies of program coordinators and legions of supervising staff that make up the modern welfare state.

We like to think that people have to work for their money. In recent decades, social welfare has become geared toward a labor market that does not create enough jobs. The trend from “welfare” to “workfare” is international, with obligatory job applications, reintegration trajectories, mandatory participation in “voluntary” work. The underlying message: Free money makes people lazy.

Except that it doesn’t.

In recent years, numerous studies of development aid have found impressive correlations between free money and reductions in crime, inequality, malnutrition, infant mortality, teenage pregnancy rates and truancy. It is also correlated with better school completion rates, higher economic growth and improvement in the condition of women.“The big reason poor people are poor is because they don’t have enough money,” economist Charles Kenny, a fellow at the Center for Global Development, wrote in June. “It shouldn’t come as a huge surprise that giving them money is a great way to reduce that problem.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/free-money-might-be-the-best-way-to-end-poverty/2013/12/29/679c8344-5ec8-11e3-95c2-13623eb2b0e1_story.html

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
7. We rely on charity
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jan 2014

Charity has kept us alive over the past few months and we still desperately need it in order to make it because our situation is not yet improving. We have gotten donations in the form of goods - food pantry, Christmas gifts for kids, new shoes for husband - and money and not a bit of it was wasted on frivolous things. No cigarettes or alcohol here. It's kept us in a house. It's kept my car working properly and legal (inspection). It's allowed us to keep our car.

Charity motivates us. Yes, we currently depend on it and we are still desperate for it. But, we are working hard to not depend on it and to be able to give back. The idea that charity makes people lazy is pathetic. The only lazy people are the 1%. They don't want to help. They've got theirs and they want the most toys.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
19. Thank you so much for posting this reply. You should repost it as an OP every day.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:52 AM
Jan 2014

Despite the mountain of corrupt, fucking greed-head, sell-out shit that Clinton did, this is the issue that is, to me, absolutely unforgivable.

That fucking piece of shit destroyed the lives of thousands of the most vulnerable families in America to appease parasites.

I will tolerate all manner of cheating and corruption, but for him to do this... to them of all people...

Never forget, never forgive.

If ever I get any chance to really hurt any Clinton, I will take it without the slightest hesitation.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
24. El_Johns, this is an exceptional post. I hope you'll start another thread with it.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jan 2014

People needed to read these important articles.

Thanks for your terrific research.

Hedda

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
6. This terrifies me
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jan 2014

I worry constantly about the effect our poverty has on our kids. I have two children, 7 and 2. The poverty began about 2 years ago, when my youngest was a few months old. We coasted for a while, but life has been sour in the past year. I can definitely see a concrete change in my parenting. I'm one of those hippie types...all into the gentle parenting. I was a gentle mother. Then stress hit and I'm nothing short of a monster on most days. I know it has a bad effect on kids. My son has a few minor mental issues as well as a learning disability and the idea that poverty can somehow make all these things worse....terrifies me.

God Bless America.

applegrove

(118,654 posts)
8. I would seek out a social worker to see if you can get into a program that will help
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jan 2014

your whole family out.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
10. We just had services cut
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:15 AM
Jan 2014

We qualify for Medicaid and Food Stamps, nothing more, despite the fact that we are below the poverty line. Family of 4, three part time jobs, two of of which are minimum wage and one just over minimum. They go by your income before taxes. When we saw that figure, we just laughed. We've NEVER seen anything close to that money. We can't get help for rent or anything. We did get LIHEAP, which covered about two months of gas for heat. They cut our food stamps by $200.00 when my husband got his 3rd job even though we only see less than $75 from that job per month.....again, they go by taxes. We're lucky to keep Medicaid, which is due in part to ACA.

A good part of aid that kept us in our home these past few months has come from a food pantry that gives one-time support, St. Vincent de Paul, and generous DUers as well as some friends of mine. If it wasn't for everyday people, we'd be so fucked. We're still fucked, but it took longer to happen.

Response to Tree-Hugger (Reply #10)

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
15. Oh, we definitely do that
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jan 2014

We're all in counseling and have been for a year. We do individual and family therapy. My son also has additional services with school.

applegrove

(118,654 posts)
16. Cool. I really do think the pendulum
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:20 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:22 AM - Edit history (1)

is swinging back to liberal and the GOP is becoming more afraid to be seen as anti jobs recovery. Best wishes.
 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
9. I hope things get better for you soon. It's good you can see it affects you, hopefully that will
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jan 2014

help you mitigate the stress.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
11. Thank you
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:16 AM
Jan 2014

I try to be very conscious of it. I have a spitfire personality, which I can usually control just fine, but stress brings it out. I am trying very hard to be even-keeled for my kids. They are so bright and amazing and I refuse to let poverty bullshit hurt their potential.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
12. I don't think it will, because you are conscious of the possibility.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jan 2014

All children are bright and amazing, IMO. I can't understand as a society why we let all that beauty and potential be ground down, wasted and abused.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
13. For you to be upper class means lots of other people have to be poor.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jan 2014

Otherwise you would just be ordinary, everybody would be the same. And then the wealthy egoes would deflate like empty baloons.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
21. Is there no other way the world may live?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:09 AM
Jan 2014

(a nod to KPete, who posted portions of this article months ago)

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. These plain and cruel truths define the peril and point the hope that come with this spring of 1953.

This is one of those times in the affairs of nations when the gravest choices must be made, if there is to be a turning toward a just and lasting peace.

It is a moment that calls upon the governments of the world to speak their intentions with simplicity and with honesty.

It calls upon them to answer the question that stirs the hearts of all sane men: is there no other way the world may live?
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/speeches/ike_chance_for_peace.html

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. "... withholding the help is something other than rational."
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jan 2014

Hatred and bigotry, fueled by greed, are indeed "something other than rational".

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