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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:54 PM Jan 2014

Elizabeth Kolbert: How Chris Christie Wrecked the Port Authority



-- snip

Back in 1921, when the Port of New York Authority, as it was then chauvinistically called, was founded, it was—in the words of Jameson Doig, a professor emeritus at Princeton and the author of “Empire on the Hudson,” a six-hundred-page history of the agency—a “reformer’s vision.” A product of the Progressive Era, the authority was to be insulated from the vagaries of politics on both sides of the river, which is to say also from Trenton’s and Albany’s multifarious forms of corruption. Half its commissioners would be appointed by the governor of New York and half by the governor of New Jersey, but to promote their independence they would serve staggered, six-year terms.

Amazingly, this arrangement worked for the better part of the twentieth century. One of the Port Authority’s first major construction projects was, as it happens, the George Washington Bridge. When the bridge was dedicated, on October 24, 1931, New York’s governor, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, declared that the authority was “charting the course toward the more able and honorable administration of our nation’s affairs,” and that it should serve as “a model for government agencies throughout the land.” The span—twice as long as any suspension bridge previously built—was completed below budget and ahead of schedule. The authority earned a reputation for integrity and professionalism. Writing in the nineteen-fifties, a reporter for the Newark News noted the “incredible vigor and efficiency” of its operations, “as contrasted with the slumberland of the average City Hall.”


A recent audit of the Port Authority, which, in addition to the George Washington Bridge, now runs the New York metropolitan area’s three major airports, the PATH train, the Holland Tunnel, the Lincoln Tunnel, the Bayonne Bridge, the Goethals Bridge, and the Outerbridge Crossing, described the agency’s operations succinctly as “dysfunctional.” The audit, performed by a private consulting firm, suggested that at least some of the problems could be traced back to September 11, 2001, when the authority, which owned and was also headquartered in the World Trade Center, lost its executive director and eighty-three other employees. The terrorist attack, the report observed, took “a significant emotional toll on the psyche of the organization.”

In this case, as in so many others, farce followed tragedy. As soon as Christie took office, in 2010, he set about stuffing the weakened agency with his supporters. A lawsuit filed by a former employee revealed that within two years the new administration had sought berths at the Port Authority for nearly fifty loyalists. These included Wildstein, who attended high school with Christie, in Livingston, and was hired as the agency’s interstate-capital-projects director, at a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. (Wildstein resigned last month.) The patronage push made front-page news in the Bergen Record in early 2012, a development that should have been chastening to the Christie administration, but wasn’t. By the end of the year, the patronage count at the agency had reportedly reached eighty. By September, 2013, when the events at the center of the scandal took place, the authority was in such disarray that top-level Christie appointees were barely speaking to their colleagues from across the Hudson. The authority’s executive director, Patrick Foye, a New Yorker, seems not to have learned about the jam in Fort Lee until four days in; when he did, he ordered the lanes reopened. The chairman, David Samson, a New Jerseyan, responded with fury. Foye, he wrote in a private e-mail since made public, had a habit of “stirring up trouble.” This time, Samson said, Foye had “made a big mistake.” The chairman reached for a suitable metaphor: “He’s playing in traffic.”

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Elizabeth Kolbert: How Chris Christie Wrecked the Port Authority (Original Post) flamingdem Jan 2014 OP
We are talking about the same Port Authority that charges $13 as a bridge toll, right? hedgehog Jan 2014 #1
The author was not soley negative about Moses flamingdem Jan 2014 #4
Yes, Caro acknowledged the postive aspects of Moses' influence on the city. However, the negatives Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #9
From his Wiki I learn he had something to do with demolishing the old Penn Station flamingdem Jan 2014 #13
Such a tragedy. And I call BS on the idea that The Pennsylvania Railroad's impoverishment can't be Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #15
What a shame, I didn't even know that happened as I live so far away. Such a beautiful public space. freshwest Jan 2014 #47
For people who don't have time to read the book, I highly recommend this Wikipedia entry: factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #7
In that Wikipedia article is this paragraph: Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #8
Moses also put fewer swimming pools in Harlem and kept the water colder in those pools. factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #14
Yep. Again, the revisionists fail in their challenge of this and the low parkway bridges assertions. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #19
hmm, he was a tad vindictive! flamingdem Jan 2014 #12
And don't forget--Christie has a Wall Street wife who is also about power and money. factsarenotfair Jan 2014 #17
Moses wife was more of a vitim of his power-mad obsessions. To my mind, that indicates a character Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #20
It you're referring to Moses, "a tad vindictive" is a huge understatement. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #21
In case you're interested and don't know, there's been a wave of revisionism trying to downplay the Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #22
Thanks, I'm at flamingdem Jan 2014 #27
Even with my sparse connections to the city, I found The Power Broker really interesting, apart Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #30
Where I grew up everything was Moses flamingdem Jan 2014 #32
That's so true! I was inspired to research a lot about the beaches and parks he built with a Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #36
Oh do you have that link for the 1939 Nat Geo article? flamingdem Jan 2014 #38
Olds 98--1969? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #43
You got it flamingdem Jan 2014 #49
Wow, that was one successful style! The '69 looks virtually identical. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #52
Wow, I really got my nostalgia on with our discussion flamingdem Jan 2014 #53
Link added. Sorry for the omission! Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #44
Had to check if Moses designed the amphitheater and he did flamingdem Jan 2014 #33
If you're into podcasts, here's a good one about Moses and NYC: Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #37
Thanks, I'll check that out flamingdem Jan 2014 #39
Thanks for the tip. And, do you mean Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #42
It's another person who doesn't get the credit flamingdem Jan 2014 #48
Tragedy followed by farce frazzled Jan 2014 #2
That really got to me too, Christie took advantage of our nation's tragedy flamingdem Jan 2014 #3
fascinating read. Christie should be drummed out of office. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #10
I so hope that his career is in ruins! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #5
this Samson guy marions ghost Jan 2014 #6
Samson definitely should be put under hot, bright lights by the US Attorney for New Jersey. bluestate10 Jan 2014 #25
Good read malaise Jan 2014 #11
"Stuffing" being the operative word.. Cha Jan 2014 #16
he he! Christie is in the Gubernatorial cone of awareness flamingdem Jan 2014 #26
I know, huh.. if you're gonna spin Cha Jan 2014 #31
The PA has always been a corrupt pit of patronage -- mostly stuffed with NY patronage. FarCenter Jan 2014 #18
When I brought up The Power Broker above, I was aiming more at the legal concept of hedgehog Jan 2014 #24
That's very expensive flamingdem Jan 2014 #28
The cash toll is $13 on all NJ to NY bridges and tunnels; it's $5 on the Tappan Zee bridge FarCenter Jan 2014 #34
Wow, what a hassle flamingdem Jan 2014 #40
You can see why a three lane on-ramp to the bridge out of a development is a big deal FarCenter Jan 2014 #41
Nick Acocella pointed out that both states have many authorities answerable to the bondholders FarCenter Jan 2014 #35
^^^^^^^^THIS! hedgehog Jan 2014 #46
Authority-type entities are prone to patronage and corruption LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #50
Yet the justification for these Authorities is that they are *not* political and so are more fair to Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #51
Ha! Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #23
NY? flamingdem Jan 2014 #29
So that's a no Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #45

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
1. We are talking about the same Port Authority that charges $13 as a bridge toll, right?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

Anyone who has read Robert Caro's life of Robert Moses, The Power Broker , will have a rather dim view of the various authorities running things in New York State.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
4. The author was not soley negative about Moses
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jan 2014

I'll have to read the book. I'm a child of Robert Moses creations that's for sure from Jones Beach to the Worlds Fair.


From the wiki on the book:

While Caro pays ample tribute to Moses' intelligence, political shrewdness, eloquence and hands-on, if somewhat aggressive, management style, and indeed gives full credit to Moses for his earlier achievements, it is clear from the book's introduction onward that Caro's view of Moses is ambivalent (some of the readers of The Power Broker would conclude that Caro possessed only contempt for his subject).

===

In later years, some further criticisms have been made of the book, mainly that it overstates the extent of Moses's power in the 1960s. In the 21st century, as many have decried the inability of American public institutions to construct and maintain infrastructure projects, a more positive view of Moses's career has emerged. Future governor Eliot Spitzer, in a 2006 speech to the Regional Plan Association on downstate transportation needs, said a biography of Moses written today might be called At Least He Got It Built. "That's what we need today. A real commitment to get things done."[5]

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
9. Yes, Caro acknowledged the postive aspects of Moses' influence on the city. However, the negatives
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jan 2014

are what stands out, as they should, because they are so very negative. Moses was clearly a snob, an egomaniac, a bully, a cheater and a liar, and the embodiment of the idea that power corrupts.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
13. From his Wiki I learn he had something to do with demolishing the old Penn Station
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jan 2014

Well in some way: (grrrrr, beautiful structure incredible loss)

The opposition reached a crescendo over the demolition of Pennsylvania Station, which many attributed to the "development scheme" mentality cultivated by Moses[20] even though it was the impoverished Pennsylvania Railroad that was actually responsible for the demolition.[21]

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
15. Such a tragedy. And I call BS on the idea that The Pennsylvania Railroad's impoverishment can't be
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

substantially tied to Moses' glorification of the automobile and the denigration of public transportation.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
47. What a shame, I didn't even know that happened as I live so far away. Such a beautiful public space.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jan 2014

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
7. For people who don't have time to read the book, I highly recommend this Wikipedia entry:
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jan 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_moses

I read the book when I had more free time.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
8. In that Wikipedia article is this paragraph:
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jan 2014

"Winner uses Robert Caro's biography of Moses pointing to a passage where Caro interviews Moses' co-worker. The co-worker all but implies that Moses purposefully built 204 bridges on Long Island too low for buses or trucks to clear. Due to poorer minorities being largely dependent on public transit, this becomes a testimony to Moses's racism. This allegation, however, has since been disputed by Bernward Joerges in his essay Do Politics Have Artefacts."

I find Joerges' diputation to be rather weak. Read The Power Broker!

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
14. Moses also put fewer swimming pools in Harlem and kept the water colder in those pools.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jan 2014

He was definitely a racist and that racism became institutionalized.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
19. Yep. Again, the revisionists fail in their challenge of this and the low parkway bridges assertions.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jan 2014
Professor Jackson also challenges two allegations in “The Power Broker”: One is that Moses chilled the water at a swimming pool in East Harlem based on his belief that blacks disliked cold water. The other is that Moses built low bridges to keep buses — ostensibly carrying black passengers — away from Jones Beach.

But in the collection of essays, Martha Biondi, a professor of African-American history at Northwestern University, concludes that Moses was an enthusiastic and “leading supporter” of a whites-only policy at Stuyvesant Town even as civic leaders urged integration.

As for the pool-cooling, Mr. Caro interviewed Moses’ associates on the record (“You can pretty well keep them out of any pool if you keep the water cold enough,” he quotes Sidney M. Shapiro, a close Moses aide, as saying). Such accounts, Professor Biondi says, gain “credence from the very well-documented history of racial discrimination and exclusion that surrounded so many of Moses’ undertakings.”


Caro's book is so well researched that the revisionists will need to do more than simply "challenge" his characterization of Moses as one who often used his projects to institutionalize his own personal racism.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
12. hmm, he was a tad vindictive!
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jan 2014

Seems more out of passion for building, as well as power, as opposed to Christie who is only about power and money. (And is an intellectual midget by comparison).

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
17. And don't forget--Christie has a Wall Street wife who is also about power and money.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

Robert Moses's wife wasn't a partner in his work like Mary Pat.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
20. Moses wife was more of a vitim of his power-mad obsessions. To my mind, that indicates a character
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

flaw just as bad as any Christie possesses.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
22. In case you're interested and don't know, there's been a wave of revisionism trying to downplay the
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jan 2014

negatives Caro reported. It seems to me they are in the Fox News vein, in that they seem to simply claim that Caro unfairly portrayed Moses, with (unlike Caro) little if any evidence to support their assertions. Here's a pretty good 2007 NYTimes article discussing the subject.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
27. Thanks, I'm at
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jan 2014

beginner level on the Moses subject, fascinated though since I grew up in his universe, once I saw he was on the side of destroying the original Penn Station I can see he had a problem. Such a shame that's gone.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
30. Even with my sparse connections to the city, I found The Power Broker really interesting, apart
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jan 2014

from its exploration of the disturbing nature of Moses' reign, as a partial history of New York City. It is quite long, but well worth the time it took to finish.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
32. Where I grew up everything was Moses
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jan 2014

Moses State Parks, Moses highways, Moses everything so as a child I thought he was God of the land or something.

He was certainly artistic and gentile at one point. The highways to Jones Beach, also his, were beautifully landscaped. The experience of driving to the beach, seeing a performance at the amphitheater (Moses designed I believe) and driving back on those lush roads was fantastic. Also, the World's Fair, really all the built environment around NY was pretty thrilling, at least as I remember it. Oh to turn back time. But I see he turned bad or had problems and I'm very interested in how that intertwines with the history of NY. I'd like to read up on the history of Long Island, his story intertwines with that.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
36. That's so true! I was inspired to research a lot about the beaches and parks he built with a
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:02 AM - Edit history (1)

determination that they would be beautiful places for citizens to enjoy. Nowadays, if anything gets built for the public it's cheap and often ugly.

I definitely had a nostalgic longing for some of the lovely drives and public spaces described as Moses creations in the early days. It's all in the book. Do yourself a favor and read If you are as interested in this stuff as you seem, you'll be glad you did.

Also, here's a 1939 National Geographic article about Long Island that I just found (haven't even read it yet, but it looks good). It was printed just before the fabulous original NY World's Fair at Flushing Meadows.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
38. Oh do you have that link for the 1939 Nat Geo article?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:21 AM
Jan 2014

By the way this is one of the cars we drove in on Moses parkways.

Here's a description of the parkways.

It was Robert Moses who was the primary force behind the plan to create a system of efficient, scenic parkways to replace the increasingly congested and unattractive local roads. Although Robert Moses is credited as the force behind the development of the parkways, other designers were involved, most notably Clarence C. Coombs.

The Long Island Parkway System was envisioned as great ribbon parks, stretching east-west and north-south across Long Island, providing scenic access and linkage between the state parks then under development, such as Jones Beach, Bethpage and Sunken Meadow. The Long Island Parkway System followed the same design characteristics as the parks themselves, the two visually linked through common design. The system employed stone-faced arched bridges, turf shoulders, bracketed-arm wood light posts, post-and-rail fences and guide rails, naturalistic road alignments and plantings, and unobtrusive black-faced signs.


Ahhh. I'll have to remind my dad about those trips in this indulgent car!
We didn't have seatbelts.


flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
49. You got it
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

But I'm not sure of the year. It was pretty kind of old when we had it so I'm thinking more like a 1963. I think this one was around then. Great car for a Sunday ride, a real boat. Must have been a gas guzzler but back then gas was so cheap.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
52. Wow, that was one successful style! The '69 looks virtually identical.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

And virtually is the perfect word because I really wouldn't have even known it was an Oldsmobile if not for google image search! I would have guessed it was a GTO (Pontiac)!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
53. Wow, I really got my nostalgia on with our discussion
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:12 AM
Jan 2014

Today I was still remembering those days. I remembered how mad my mother was when my dad came home with that car, guess we weren't that kind of family, we were supposed to be more practical or less showy I guess. I looked at the parkways to Jones Beach using Google street view to see the elements that Moses developed himself - the bridges, lights, landscape. It looks like a lot, if not most of it is still there. He did something right in spite of himself.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
33. Had to check if Moses designed the amphitheater and he did
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jan 2014

Nikon at Jones Beach Theater is an outdoor amphitheatre, located at Jones Beach State Park in Wantagh, New York. It is one of two major outdoor arenas in the New York metropolitan area, along with PNC Bank Arts Center. The theater was designed to specifications provided by Robert Moses, who created Jones Beach State Park.[1]

History

Opened in 1952 as the Jones Beach Marine Theater, the venue originally had 8,200 seats and hosted musicals. Moses had several boxes designated for his own use, and Moses' friend Guy Lombardo performed often in the early years.

The opening show was the operetta extravaganza A Night in Venice by Johann Strauss II, produced by film producer, Mike Todd, complete with floating gondolas and starring Enzo Stuarti, Thomas Hayward (tenor), Norwood Smith and Nola Fairbanks. Lombardo's final show was the 1977 production of Finian's Rainbow, with Christopher Hewett in the title role. After Lombardo's death in 1977, the series resumed in 1978 with Annie Get Your Gun, starring Lucie Arnaz. Beginning in the 1980s, the primary focus of the venue would change to concerts.[2]

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
39. Thanks, I'll check that out
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jan 2014

By the way I recommend the free tour of Grand Central Station. There's one guide who has been doing this tour for decades, he wears a bowtie and is quite a character, an encyclopedia. He got into many of the transportation issues turn of the century and discussed how forces wanted to tear down Grand Central Station and a woman, can't remember her name, saved it.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Tragedy followed by farce
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

Just wow. I hadn't remembered the loss of life for the Port Authority: it had totally dropped from my mind. (Shame on me.)

To think that one little man (yes, I call this big man little) could destroy nearly a century of distinguished work by this agency. That's corrupt patronage on a high level.

Kudos to Elizabeth Kolbert, who always writes brilliantly on these subjects.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
3. That really got to me too, Christie took advantage of our nation's tragedy
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jan 2014

to put his low brow corrupt buddies in charge.

It's great that those lost might be appreciated more at this time for their integrity with hindsight!

I'll have to check out what else EK has written.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
10. fascinating read. Christie should be drummed out of office.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jan 2014

tired of his bovine stupidity clogging up the airwaves.

sheshe2

(83,759 posts)
5. I so hope that his career is in ruins!
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:14 PM
Jan 2014
Politics, as everyone knows, is not a profession for the fastidious. But there are rules even about stretching the rules, a precept that Christie either never bothered to learn or chose to ignore. As a consequence, his political career is now quite possibly in ruins.


Thanks flamingdem! Great article.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
25. Samson definitely should be put under hot, bright lights by the US Attorney for New Jersey.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jan 2014

Firms that Samson's law firm represented were involved in land deals in Hoboken and a parcel beside the bridge in Fort Lee.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
16. "Stuffing" being the operative word..
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

I actually saw on Rachel's that PA created Wildstein's job as a favor to Christie. How much could you not know that guy if you are the Gov?



thanks flamingdem~

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
26. he he! Christie is in the Gubernatorial cone of awareness
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

verrry limited zone, that!

I'm very unimpressed with his spin, not up to the likes of the rest of the republicons, a light weight.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
31. I know, huh.. if you're gonna spin
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jan 2014

Bullies and Smear freaks.. at least give something worthy of your best Scams.. that are getting you busted right freaking NOW!

Tiny tiny Awareness Cone Zone! that would be gov chris Christie of New Jersey.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
18. The PA has always been a corrupt pit of patronage -- mostly stuffed with NY patronage.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jan 2014

Christie has only appointed 3 of the 12 commissioners. The other 3 from NJ are McGreevy and Corzine appointees. Most of the 6 from NY have been appointed by Cuomo.

As for other executives, Foye is the top manager and a Cuomo appointee.

The whole business of building the World Trade Center was an ego exercise by Gov. Nelson Rockefeller and Mayor Lindsay of New York.

The PANYNJ has mostly been a means of screwing over NJ.

It's not clear why it exists anyway, because the port is mostly in NJ in Newark, Elizabeth, Bayonne, etc. There is no point in having a cargo ship dock in NY, since there is no freight rail across the Hudson south of Albany. Anything that lands in NY destined for the west has to go by truck across the congested bridges and tunnels.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
24. When I brought up The Power Broker above, I was aiming more at the legal concept of
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jan 2014

the Public Authority than at Moses. It's been years since I read the book, but my take-away is that many times the authorities gave cover to individuals who answered to no one as they ran New York State to their own liking. As someone notes above, Public Authorities "get things done", but true democracy is a little messier.


I would add - I pay toll on the Thruway every time I drive to Buffalo or Albany. I also see maintenance being done on every trip, and the I-90 road bed is in much batter shape in NY than in Ohio or Pennsylvania. So I'd say that the Thruway Authority is doing a good job. But still, $13 to cross a bridge?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
28. That's very expensive
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

it must lead to lots of people driving extras miles to avoid paying, if they can.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
34. The cash toll is $13 on all NJ to NY bridges and tunnels; it's $5 on the Tappan Zee bridge
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jan 2014

That includes the Lincoln & Holland tunnels and the George Washington bridge to Manhattan, as well as the Bayonne, Goethals and the Outerbridge Crossing bridge to Staten Island.

All tolls are collected eastbound, and westbound is free.

If your trip is to Brooklyn or beyond on Long Island, its another $15 for the Verrazano Bridge, collected in the Brooklyn to Staten Island direction. This can be avoided by going to Brooklyn via the Verrazano and then coming back via the Brooklyn or Manhattan bridges, traffic permitting.

http://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/tolls.html
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/travelers/tolls/schedules/barrier.html
http://web.mta.info/bandt/traffic/btmain.html#cars

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
41. You can see why a three lane on-ramp to the bridge out of a development is a big deal
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jan 2014

The one ramp in Fort Lee goes directly into the last set of toll booths before the GWB.

Much better than sitting for 45 minutes on the approach from the NJ Turnpike/I-95 or from I-80!

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
35. Nick Acocella pointed out that both states have many authorities answerable to the bondholders
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jan 2014

The political appointees that staff these authorities are not answerable to their publics. So long as they can soak the public sufficiently to keep the bondholders happy, they can keep borrowing and building and spending on whatever they can get away with, the public be damned.

For example, WTF was the PANYNJ doing funding a study of a redevelopment zone in Hoboken for the Mayor in the first place?

Isn't that a conflict of interest, since the PANYNJ owns property in the redevelopment zone?

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
50. Authority-type entities are prone to patronage and corruption
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jan 2014

I can't speak for NY, but was a newspaper reporter in NJ for many years.

The NJ Turnpike Authority and the NJ Highway Authority (Garden State Parkway), which I believe have merged since I left NJ, were filled with political cronies and politicians cooling their heels before making runs for office. Those are the two authorities with which I am most familiar. Members voted as their masters (those who appointed them) told them to vote. Nobody made waves. Votes were decided beforehand, outside the public meetings. They got fat paychecks for attending one meeting a month followed by a free lunch. They oversaw the spending of millions of dollars, and were accountable to nobody except those who appointed them.

The major problems with these entities: they are not accountable to the public, and seldom to the press. They operate in virtual secrecy. People are not appointed to authorities if they are firebrands who blow the whistles and expose wrongdoing. Those who get appointed are the ones who go along to get along, and keep their mouths shut.

Municipal parking authorities are appointed the same way, and they can be used as destructive tools. In New Brunswick, NJ, the public parking deck capital of the free world, the city parking authority used its powers to condemn in certain areas to get rid of low-income housing and anything else the city and its developers didn't like. Whole neighborhoods were torn down to make room for more and more parking decks when I worked there in the 1980s, and it still goes on as far as I know.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
51. Yet the justification for these Authorities is that they are *not* political and so are more fair to
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jan 2014

the public. At least that's how Robert Moses portrayed the authorities and himself, and it was of course total BS. He was able to be more political because the easily deceived public believed the lie. He had total power over the budgets and operations of the authorities he headed and was basically untouchable because he had, through duplicity and his political connections, engineered the laws governing them .

And Moses was downright ruthless to opponents. For instance, he assigned certain of his staff to spy on his enemies so he could threaten exposure of any sensitive information discovered and would simply make shit up if there was nothing to expose. Yet, he had manufactured this image of being above all that nasty politics stuff, so people would not believe the truth about him.

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