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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:42 AM Jan 2014

GOP Have Been Throwing Tax Cuts at Billionaires for Decades, While Squeezing the Working Class

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/pattern-clear-gop-will-bend-over-backwards-make-life-better-1-percent-not

GOPers Have Been Throwing Tax Cuts at Billionaires for Decades, While Squeezing the Working Class for Every Penny



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When George Bush came to office the federal government taxed the value of estates over $675,000. Congress immediately raised the exemption to $1 million and in 2009 to $3.5 million. In 2010 Congress boosted it again to $5 million and in 2012 indexed the exemption to inflation. This year an individual will pay taxes only for the value of an estate over $5.25 million. A couple will receive an exemption of $10.5 million.

In sum, over 13 years Congress increased the estate tax exemption almost 800 percent and then indexed it to inflation. During that time the cost of living rose by 32 percent.

From 1997 to 2007 Congress refused to raise the minimum wage a penny. Then in 2007 it reluctantly raised it by $2.10 over three years. Since 2009 Congress has again refused to revisit the issue. Today and for the foreseeable future any proposal to index the federal minimum wage is dead on arrival.

In sum, over 16 years full time workers earning the federal minimum wage have seen their income rise by 40 percent, to $15,000. During that time the cost of living rose by 45 percent.
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GOP Have Been Throwing Tax Cuts at Billionaires for Decades, While Squeezing the Working Class (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2014 OP
Under George W, the GOP Gave tax cuts to the Ultra Rich, and then truedelphi Jan 2014 #1
Seems like they all have embraced trickle down Enthusiast Jan 2014 #4
"We the people" only benefit when it does not effect their RKP5637 Jan 2014 #9
It was an attempt at negotiation jeff47 Jan 2014 #15
If what you say is true why Enthusiast Jan 2014 #17
He created it because of the 2010 losses. jeff47 Jan 2014 #22
I do not agree. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #23
Whether you agree or not doesn't particularly matter. jeff47 Jan 2014 #25
Your claim that Obama created the catfood commission/shifted to the right because left voters didn't El_Johns Jan 2014 #28
The creation of the commission does not coincide with Obama embracing austerity jeff47 Jan 2014 #30
I direct you to your post 22, in which you claim O. created the CC because of elections losses on El_Johns Jan 2014 #31
OMG!!!!! I USED THE WRONG WORD!!!!!!! jeff47 Jan 2014 #32
Won't cop to it. OK. El_Johns Jan 2014 #33
Edited while you were replying. jeff47 Jan 2014 #34
I'll let the public judge. I'm done here. El_Johns Jan 2014 #35
So, your errors are just fine. jeff47 Jan 2014 #36
You shouldn't, since the commission was created before the elections, months before. El_Johns Jan 2014 #29
I grow weary Enthusiast Jan 2014 #38
I hear ya. I imagine weariness is the desired reaction. El_Johns Jan 2014 #39
Oh, that has to be part of the objective. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Enthusiast Jan 2014 #37
Exactly! When it comes to big $$$$$ often R=D=I, but often RKP5637 Jan 2014 #6
Where We Are Today - How We Got Here - Who Sold Us Out cantbeserious Jan 2014 #2
+1 xchrom Jan 2014 #3
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #5
Progressivity of the income tax was eliminated for high incomes under Reagan... JHB Jan 2014 #7
+1 xchrom Jan 2014 #8
Those are fantastic graphs. Where did you find them? The rise and fall of the middle class pampango Jan 2014 #13
I didn't find them, I made them JHB Jan 2014 #24
Thank you for providing us with that information. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #19
Trickle down hasn't worked yet, but just needs a few more decades, kinda like the Cuban embargo. Scuba Jan 2014 #10
Yeah, that's the ticket! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #20
The Democratic Party was complicit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #11
3 decades actually - it may have started before TBF Jan 2014 #12
k/r marmar Jan 2014 #14
Stop consuming. Barack_America Jan 2014 #16
And they continue to push for more by arguing for a "simplified" tax code. bullwinkle428 Jan 2014 #18
Funny how every time the tax code gets "simplified"... JHB Jan 2014 #26
Both parties actually. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #21
kick JHB Jan 2014 #27

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. Under George W, the GOP Gave tax cuts to the Ultra Rich, and then
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:45 AM
Jan 2014

Obama went and re-extended those tax cuts.

And it doesn't seem to me that too many in Congress are upset by these policies, regardless whether it is the letter "R" or the letter "D" after their names.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
4. Seems like they all have embraced trickle down
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:55 AM
Jan 2014

because it benefits them personally. Seems like.

That voluntary extension of the Bush tax cuts in 2009 remains the single thing that most angers me about the President.

The big focus of his campaign was to do away with the Bush tax cuts. He must have said it hundreds of times. Instead we chose to widen the income gap exacerbating the deficit, igniting all this horrible austerity advocacy.

And incredible as it seems, some of the austerity measures were offered up by that very Obama Administration that voluntarily extended the Bush tax cuts.

Can you say betrayal?

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
9. "We the people" only benefit when it does not effect their
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:45 AM
Jan 2014

cash flow. When one goes asking millionaires for policies that might improve their lot too, but also effect the cash flow to those holding the purse strings and benefiting from their respective policies, it is a fool's errand in USA, Inc.

"We the people" hold the power in this country, but often have clouded vision when we vote.

One of the first solutions is to get the money, bribery and paybacks out of politics in this country. ... but many always think all D's are above this, it is not the case. For big $$$$$ often R=D=I.

How to accomplish clearing up this mess is a good question. To me, we went seriously off-track in the 80's with this inane concept of trickle down economics. We've seen how well thar works. To restore the balance in this country might well take several generations.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. It was an attempt at negotiation
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jan 2014

It was an attempt to get the Republicans to the negotiating table on issues like a jobs bill or other economic aid.

It was a foolish attempt, in that it did not directly tie the two into a single bill. But Team Obama made the mistake of thinking Republicans are sane.

After the big losses in 2010, Obama shifted right. Why? Big losses. That's what lead to the austerity measures.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. If what you say is true why
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jan 2014

did the President create the Catfood Commission®? Many of us feel that the President was ideologically committed to Chained CPI and such before any negotiating table.

You seem to be saying the big losses for Democrats in 2010 were the result of being too far left.

That claim couldn't be more incorrect. The big losses were the result of no public option which had a huge favorability polling and extending the tax cuts for billionaires and millionaires. There was no voter enthusiasm after these failures by the President.

No public option and extending the Bush tax cuts were the move to the right. And that is why we failed in 2010.

The people didn't show up to vote for Obama in 2008 because they imagined him to be far right, like Bush. They flocked to the polls because they thought he was liberal, possibly even a socialist as the Republicans claimed during the campaign.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. He created it because of the 2010 losses.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jan 2014

The "Catfood Commission was after the 2010 losses.

Many of us feel that the President was ideologically committed to Chained CPI and such before any negotiating table.

Democrats lost big in 2010. So Obama shifted right.

You seem to be saying the big losses for Democrats in 2010 were the result of being too far left.

Yes, simple statements of fact contain ideological justification.

The big losses for Democrats were because left-leaning marginally-attached voters didn't show up. Partisans on the left still voted, but we didn't do nearly as good a job bringing other people to the polls with us.

Meanwhile, the batshit-crazy wing of the Republicans dragged right-leaning marginally-attached voters to the polls as if it was a presidential election year.

The people didn't show up to vote for Obama in 2008 because they imagined him to be far right, like Bush. They flocked to the polls because they thought he was liberal, possibly even a socialist as the Republicans claimed during the campaign.

No, the people who believed that still showed up. They're the partisans. What changed is they had decided Obama was an exact mirror of their own political beliefs, and were disappointed when Obama did not do exactly what they wanted.

If you want an example, Afghanistan. Lots of those folks were sure Obama would pull out of Afghanistan despite candidate Obama saying he would send a "surge" to Afghanistan. They were disappointed when Obama did what he said instead of what they wanted him to do. If you'd like another, single-payer. Candidate Obama didn't promise it, yet those folks acted as if he did.

(Btw, this does not mean Obama was perfect or always did exactly what candidate Obama said he'd do. For example, the mandate in the ACA.)

Disappointed partisans did not work as hard to get voters to the polls as in 2008. Those marginally-attached voters were the ones who did not show up.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. Whether you agree or not doesn't particularly matter.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jan 2014

Turnout among committed Democrats was about the same in 2008 and 2010.
Turnout among left-leaning marginally-attached voters went way down.

Those statistics really don't care if you agree with them.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
28. Your claim that Obama created the catfood commission/shifted to the right because left voters didn't
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:47 AM
Jan 2014

show up in 2010 doesn't have a shred of evidence behind it.

You can say he created the commission.

You can say voters didn't show up.

Making one the cause and the other the effect requires more.

Particularly since the commission was created BEFORE the elections.

The commission first met on April 27, 2010.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform

The 2010 United States elections were held on Tuesday, November 2, 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010


Then there's this:

The original proposal for a commission came from bipartisan legislation that would have required Congress to vote on its recommendations as presented, without any amendment. In January 2010, that bill failed in the Senate by a vote of 53–46, when six Republicans who had co-sponsored it nevertheless voted against it.[5] Thereafter, President Obama established the Commission by Executive Order 13531.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform

The Executive Order was signed February 18, 2010.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-national-commission-fiscal-responsibility-and-reform

"Those facts don't really care if you agree with them".

So I think you'll have quite an uphill climb trying to show that Obama created the catfood commission because of the falling away of left voters.

If there's any cause and effect here, I think it runs the other way.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. The creation of the commission does not coincide with Obama embracing austerity
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:54 AM
Jan 2014

Obama embraced austerity measures like Chained CPI after the 2010 election. The theory before the election was the commission would do short-term stimulus and then long-term deficit reduction.

That didn't happen, because the Republicans didn't want stimulus, and team Obama stupidly thought they could negotiate.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
31. I direct you to your post 22, in which you claim O. created the CC because of elections losses on
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jan 2014

the left.

Star Member jeff47 (10,304 posts)
22. He created it because of the 2010 losses.

The "Catfood Commission was after the 2010 losses.



I think you owe the poster an apology after talking "statements of fact" all over him.

O. started moving right as soon as he got elected & the CC is just one example of same. Thus the disaffected left.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. OMG!!!!! I USED THE WRONG WORD!!!!!!!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jan 2014

I will now commit seppuku for the horrific mistake of saying 'created' instead of "Changed the focus of the commission from short term stimulus/long-term deficit reduction to austerity"

Alternatively, one could describe that as actually 'creating' the catfood commission, since "catfood commission" was not the goal of the committee when Obama created it.

I think you owe the poster an apology after talking "statements of fact" all over him.

O. started moving right as soon as he got elected & the CC is just one example of same. Thus the disaffected left.

Who turned out and voted in 2010.

Again, exit polls show the left went to the polls. The left didn't bring anyone else along because they were not happy that actual Obama was not dream Obama.
 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
33. Won't cop to it. OK.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:13 AM
Jan 2014
Question:

Enthusiast (25,860 posts)
17. If what you say is true why did the President create the Catfood Commission®? Many of us feel that the President was ideologically committed to Chained CPI and such before any negotiating table.

Response:


Star Member jeff47 (10,308 posts)
22. He created it because of the 2010 losses.

The "Catfood Commission was after the 2010 losses.

"Many of us feel that the President was ideologically committed to Chained CPI and such before any negotiating table."

Democrats lost big in 2010. So Obama shifted right.


Not only that, but you chide the poster for not being all "fact-based" like you are.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
38. I grow weary
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jan 2014

due to the constant influx of misinformation. I thank you for shining a light on the actual events as they transpired in 2010.

Response to Enthusiast (Reply #23)

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
6. Exactly! When it comes to big $$$$$ often R=D=I, but often
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:26 AM
Jan 2014

none want to hear that. Many D's are "not" FDR's.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
2. Where We Are Today - How We Got Here - Who Sold Us Out
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 07:48 AM
Jan 2014

What The Corporate Oligarchs And 1% Are Doing Today




How Corporate Oligarchs And The 1% Have Systematically Undermined US Democracy And The Middle Class




How The Liberal Class Sold Out To The Corporate Oligarchs And 1%

JHB

(37,157 posts)
7. Progressivity of the income tax was eliminated for high incomes under Reagan...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 13, 2014, 10:47 PM - Edit history (3)

...and has not been restored since.

After adjusting for inflation, before the Kennedy-era tax cuts typically over half the brackets (sometimes well over half) affected incomes over $250,000, with about 40% affecting incomes above $500,000. Inflation eroded those levels (the brackets were not indexed for inflation) until the late 70s, when the top bracket dipped those into the single digits. Reagan's tax cuts cut even those further, eliminating brackets starting at over 500K entirely. And by the end of his term, the top bracket kicked in at roughly the median income, not anything that could be considered high (BushI went back on his "read my lips" line because these were unsustainably low).

To paraphrase Leona Helmsley, it seems progressivity is for little people.





In case you're wondering why I picked 1942 as a start date, it's purely for readability, thanks to my graphics skills or lack thereof. I need to figure out how to pull off skipping some intervals, because some of those inflation-adjusted brackets reach higher. Much higher:

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Those are fantastic graphs. Where did you find them? The rise and fall of the middle class
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jan 2014

is closely correlated to those graphs.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
24. I didn't find them, I made them
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

They're an update and improved version of ones I made back in March 2012. The 1913-2013 one is still a "rough draft" thanks to the scale problem I mentioned. I probably need something like Illustrator to fix it.

It's easy to find charts that show the top rate history, but that only tells part of the story and in some ways a misleading one. The debates in 2012 centered on "is $250,000/year 'rich?" Well, why was the talk just about one bracket? How were the brackets structured in the past? Sure, you can debate whether this rate is too much, or that one too low, that's a fair debate. But where were the brackets spread?

Couldn't find anything like that. Finally found historical income tax rate tables at The Tax Foundation that were conveniently CPI-adjusted, and got Excel to display them graphically.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Trickle down hasn't worked yet, but just needs a few more decades, kinda like the Cuban embargo.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jan 2014
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. The Democratic Party was complicit.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jan 2014

The Bush tax cuts passed the Senate by a 62-38 margin. Our party is part of the problem.

TBF

(32,006 posts)
12. 3 decades actually - it may have started before
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:10 AM
Jan 2014

but I have noticed the biggest difference since Reagan became president and started cutting the capital gains tax.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
16. Stop consuming.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jan 2014

Stop buying their shit. Ignore the marketing; we don't "deserve" or "need" luxury or convenience. Sometimes it feels like our "buying power" is the only control we have left.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
26. Funny how every time the tax code gets "simplified"...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

...it always has more pages added to it, thereby "proving" the need for more "simplification".

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