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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:30 PM Mar 2012

NSA whistle-blower: Obama “worse than Bush”


http://www.salon.com/2012/03/07/nsa_whistle_blower_obama_worse_than_bush/

Wednesday, Mar 7, 2012 1:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time

Thomas Drake, the whistle-blower whom the Obama administration tried and failed to prosecute for leaking information about waste, fraud and abuse at the National Security Agency, now works at an Apple store in Maryland. In an interview with Salon, Drake laughed about the time he confronted Attorney General Eric Holder at his store while Holder perused the gadgetry on display with his security detail around him. When Drake started asking Holder questions about his case, America’s chief law enforcement officer turned and fled the store.

But the humor drained away quickly from Drake’s thin and tired face as he recounted his ordeal since 2010 when federal prosecutors charged him with violating the Espionage Act for retaining classified information they believed he would pass on to then Baltimore Sun reporter Siobhan Gorman. While Drake never disclosed classified information, he did pass on unclassified information to Gorman revealing that the NSA had wasted billions of taxpayers’ dollars on Trailblazer (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0518-07.htm), a contractor-heavy intelligence software program that failed to find terrorist threats in the tsunami of digital data the agency was sucking up globally — and sometimes unconstitutionally. While Trailblazer burned through cash, in the process enriching many NSA employees turned contractors, Drake found that another software program named ThinThread had already met the core requirements of a federal acquisition regulation that governed the proposed system at a sliver of the cost, all while protecting American civil liberties at the code level. The NSA leadership, however, had already bet their careers on Trailblazer. So Drake blew the whistle, first to Congress, then to the Department of Defense Inspector General’s Office, and finally, and fatefully, to Gorman.

Last June, the government’s case collapsed. On the eve of trial, all 10 counts were dropped. In a Kafkaesque turn of events, Drake actually helped the government find a misdemeanor to charge him with — exceeding authorized use of an NSA computer — so federal prosecutors could save face. Once facing 35 years behind bars, Drake pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge and was sentenced to one year of probation and 240 hours of community service, what he sardonically calls “his penance.”

....

Salon interviewer: In the New Yorker article, Jane Mayer quotes you as saying, “I actually had hopes for Obama.” What’s your opinion on the Obama administration’s stated support for whistle-blowers and, more generally, his counterterrorism record?

Worse than Bush. I have to say that. I actually voted for Obama. It’s all rhetoric for me now. As Americans we were hoodwinked. He’s expanding the secrecy regime far beyond what the Bush even intended, interestingly enough. I think Bush is probably like, “Whoa.”
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NSA whistle-blower: Obama “worse than Bush” (Original Post) brentspeak Mar 2012 OP
Easy ProSense Mar 2012 #1
For some strange reason, I find Thomas Drake's opinion more credible brentspeak Mar 2012 #3
+1 L0oniX Mar 2012 #4
Hey, ProSense Mar 2012 #6
WP 3/14/2012: White House making whistleblower advocates nervous brentspeak Mar 2012 #8
GAP Praises White House Commitment to Whistleblowers ProSense Mar 2012 #12
That was then, this is now brentspeak Mar 2012 #17
Why? ProSense Mar 2012 #20
GAP formed an alliance with al Qaeda? noise Mar 2012 #23
Or ProSense Mar 2012 #25
They took payoffs from al Qaeda? noise Mar 2012 #29
What's changed is that GAP says Obama is prosecuting whistleblowers brentspeak Mar 2012 #28
I read ProSense Mar 2012 #32
Anti-Obama posts are the latest "cool" trend noise Mar 2012 #33
Give me a damn break, ProSense.... tpsbmam Mar 2012 #49
Depends on what kind of whistleblowers moodforaday Mar 2012 #52
Correction: at least SIX, and here are their names moodforaday Mar 2012 #53
... L0oniX Mar 2012 #2
Considering this is a democratic website and this is against the Democratic incumbent... vaberella Mar 2012 #5
We have ALWAYS been at war with central Asia! Hawkowl Mar 2012 #19
Because it is a Democratic website, people do not march in lockstep and try to cover up sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #30
Whatever happened to "My party, right or wrong"? Zalatix Mar 2012 #31
Lol, I'm sorry! sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #34
LMFAO L0oniX Mar 2012 #43
I'm speaking about a post where it's stated the Obama admin is worst than Bush. vaberella Mar 2012 #36
yeah! what Sabtina said... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author moodforaday Mar 2012 #54
Perhaps progressives care more about actual public policy _ed_ Mar 2012 #56
Right, some podunk at the Apple Store... gulliver Mar 2012 #7
"Podunk at the Apple Store" is a former NSA senior official brentspeak Mar 2012 #11
Nope, read the article... gulliver Mar 2012 #16
*Cough* Wilms Mar 2012 #35
Bush wanted secrecy to cover up crimes. Obama wants it on general principle. saras Mar 2012 #9
Agreed that Bush wanted to cover up crimes brentspeak Mar 2012 #14
Obviously ProSense Mar 2012 #18
Has there ever been a VALID complaint about Obama in your opinion? Serious question. Logical Mar 2012 #21
Yes ProSense Mar 2012 #24
No, he is not worse than Bush. No rational Dem says that. And I appreciate your.... Logical Mar 2012 #26
Oh... it's you. lamp_shade Mar 2012 #10
Seems to be a slow week at the outrage factory. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #15
Whether Obama is worse than Bush in this regard is up for debate, MadHound Mar 2012 #13
I thought Obama was the guy. He is better than Bush but still troubling. Logical Mar 2012 #22
They miss what is important, it doesn't matter who is shredding it faster or harder, IT IS BEING Dragonfli Mar 2012 #27
+1 L0oniX Mar 2012 #45
It's because of big mouths like Drake that Obama has had to do it. Who got Osama Bin Laden? judesedit Mar 2012 #38
Gold medal quality speed excuse making there. The "had to be done" without context lines are gold TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #50
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #39
This is one of the areas where I've been most disappointed by the president. Brian the Lion Mar 2012 #40
pathetic that the most defenders of Obama can say is Vattel Mar 2012 #41
Pathetic ProSense Mar 2012 #42
I don't think Obama has been worse on whistleblowing than Bush. Vattel Mar 2012 #46
Almost everything at NSA is classified. DCBob Mar 2012 #44
His crime? Octafish Mar 2012 #47
Love what he says about Manning. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #48
ROFL... SidDithers Mar 2012 #51
Do not screw around with Contractors' Billions and Bureaucrats reputations........ Burma Jones Mar 2012 #55

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Easy
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:33 PM
Mar 2012

solution: bring back the Bushies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002438419

Considering that it was Bush who launched the raid on Drake, I'd say bullshit.

In July 2007, armed FBI agents raided the homes of Roark, Binney, and Wiebe, the same people who had filed the complaint with the DoD Inspector General in 2002.[25] Binney claims they pointed guns at his wife and himself. Wiebe said it reminded him of the Soviet Union.[29] None of these people were charged with any crimes. In November 2007, there was a raid on Drake's residence. His computers, documents, and books were confiscated. He was never charged with giving any sensitive information to anyone; the charge actually brought against him is for 'retaining' information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)).[20] The FBI tried to get Roark to testify against Drake; she refused.[29] Reporter Gorman was not contacted by the FBI.[15][21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake#2007_FBI_raids

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Hey,
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Mar 2012

Obama didn't raid his office.

In fact, whistleblowers are seeing compensation under this administration.

Whistleblower facing foreclosure wins $18 million
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002426685

US Department of Labor finds Bank of America in violation of Sarbanes-Oxley Act whistleblower protection provisions
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/osha/OSHA20111351.htm

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
8. WP 3/14/2012: White House making whistleblower advocates nervous
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:48 PM
Mar 2012


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-making-whistleblower-advocates-nervous/2012/03/14/gIQAY2vrCS_story.html

By Joe Davidson, Published: March 14

Obama administration officials reject charges that they are “trying to stop aggressive journalism in the United States by using the Espionage Act to take whistleblowers to court,” as ABC News reporter Jake Tapper put it last month.

Yet, Tapper’s question during a White House briefing drew national attention to a growing sense of unease among whistleblower and good-government types who feel President Obama isn’t fully living up to his billing, despite welcomed appointments to whistleblower-protection agencies.

snip

To the consternation over the Espionage Act prosecutions, add the Food and Drug Administration’s surveillance of employees’ private e-mail accounts and you have two high-profile reasons for whistleblower discontent.

“Obama’s Justice Department has sent a clear message of fear and intimidation by vigorously pursuing prosecutions of whistleblowers and so-called leakers, rather than the people whose misconduct was being disclosed,” said Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
17. That was then, this is now
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:04 PM
Mar 2012

GAP has had a change of heart concerning Obama's alleged promise to protect government whistleblowers. Try to keep up.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
20. Why?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
Mar 2012

"GAP has had a change of heart concerning Obama's alleged promise to protect government whistleblowers. Try to keep up."

The Drake plea was months before that release prasing the administration. What changed?

noise

(2,392 posts)
23. GAP formed an alliance with al Qaeda?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:21 PM
Mar 2012

That is the only explanation that makes sense.

Or maybe they found evidence that Drake was in league with al Qaeda leadership?

All we know for sure is that critics of the Obama administration are either GOP or al Qaeda supporters.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. Or
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012

money?

I don't think President Obama is worse than Bush. I doubt GAP would have even considered praising Bush. Do you?

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
28. What's changed is that GAP says Obama is prosecuting whistleblowers
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:26 PM
Mar 2012

GAP's Tom Devine says so clearly in the WP article, and his comments are highlighted on GAP's own blog:



Summary: Numerous whistleblower advocacy and good-government groups are concerned with the recent Obama administration attack on intelligence whistleblowers from the president who once promised the most transparent administration in history.

Key Quote: It’s valid to distinguish between leakers and whistleblowers, said Tom Devine, legal director of the Government Accountability Project, “but the administration is prosecuting both.”


Shouldn't be too hard to understand.

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
49. Give me a damn break, ProSense....
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:38 PM
Mar 2012
When President Barack Obama took office, in 2009, he championed the cause of government transparency, and spoke admiringly of whistle-blowers, whom he described as “often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government.” But the Obama Administration has pursued leak prosecutions with a surprising relentlessness. Including the Drake case, it has been using the Espionage Act to press criminal charges in five alleged instances of national-security leaks—more such prosecutions than have occurred in all previous Administrations combined. The Drake case is one of two that Obama’s Justice Department has carried over from the Bush years.

-snip-

Gabriel Schoenfeld, a conservative political scientist at the Hudson Institute, who, in his book “Necessary Secrets” (2010), argues for more stringent protection of classified information, says, “Ironically, Obama has presided over the most draconian crackdown on leaks in our history—even more so than Nixon.”

-snip-

Jack Balkin, a liberal law professor at Yale, agrees that the increase in leak prosecutions is part of a larger transformation. “We are witnessing the bipartisan normalization and legitimization of a national-surveillance state,” he says. In his view, zealous leak prosecutions are consonant with other political shifts since 9/11: the emergence of a vast new security bureaucracy, in which at least two and a half million people hold confidential, secret, or top-secret clearances; huge expenditures on electronic monitoring, along with a reinterpretation of the law in order to sanction it; and corporate partnerships with the government that have transformed the counterterrorism industry into a powerful lobbying force. Obama, Balkin says, has “systematically adopted policies consistent with the second term of the Bush Administration.”


(Only his pursuit and prosecution of whistleblowers is more aggressive than Bush.)

-snip-

On March 28th, Obama held a meeting in the White House with five advocates for greater transparency in government. During the discussion, the President drew a sharp distinction between whistle-blowers who exclusively reveal wrongdoing and those who jeopardize national security. The importance of maintaining secrecy about the impending raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound was likely on Obama’s mind. The White House has been particularly bedevilled by the ongoing release of classified documents by WikiLeaks, the group led by Julian Assange. Last year, WikiLeaks began releasing a vast trove of sensitive government documents allegedly leaked by a U.S. soldier, Bradley Manning; the documents included references to a courier for bin Laden who had moved his family to Abbottabad—the town where bin Laden was hiding out. Manning has been charged with “aiding the enemy.”



Which is a load of horse shit. The only "secrets" Drake was exposing were the illegal spying on Americans, ineptitude, graft & waste at NSA. He wasn't "aiding the enemy," he was protecting Americans who've been taken to the cleaners by the kind of crap he exposed and who've had their civil rights trashed by being spied on, which Obama wants to protect at all costs.

Friend to whistleblowers. Unbelievable. I'm amazed you're still able to surprise me with some of the stuff you come up with..

moodforaday

(1,860 posts)
52. Depends on what kind of whistleblowers
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:13 AM
Mar 2012
In fact, whistleblowers are seeing compensation under this administration.


Corporate whistleblowers, yes. National security whistleblowers, no.

Number of national security whistleblowers prosecuted under Bush: 0.

Number of national security whistleblowers prosecuted under Obama: at least 5 so far (according to Daniel Ellsberg)

Since 5 is greater than 0, then yes, Obama's DoJ is worse than Bush's in this respect. Not because Bush was more kind-hearted or anything, maybe he just didn't care. I doubt Bush even knew what/who a whistleblower is, that's one. Two, as far as leaking state secrets is concerned, there was that little matter of Joseph Wilson / Valerie Plame he had to cover up. And three, please correct me if I'm wrong, but his administration was so made up of psychopaths that I don't recall any whistleblowers coming out of there that he'd have to even consider going after.

But, 5 is greater than 0, except maybe during elections. Right?

moodforaday

(1,860 posts)
53. Correction: at least SIX, and here are their names
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:29 AM
Mar 2012

Six whistleblowers prosecuted by Obama/Holder so far, not five. They are:

Thomas Drake (referenced in the OP)

Shamai Leibowitz (sentenced to 20 months in the slammer for leaking documents concerning possible Israeli strike against Iran. He didn't want Iran bombed, see.)

Bradley Manning (and don't forget was Obama is going to do to Julian Assange!)

Jeffrey Sterling (CIA, talked to NYT about "a botched U.S. operation to thwart Iran’s nuclear weapons program" - that's where CIA intended to give Iran fake blueprints but actually gave them real ones, folks!)

John Kiriakou (CIA, talked about torture and interrogation of detainees)

Thomas Tamm (talked about Bush's illegal wiretaps that Obama helped make legal)

Six. Still greater than zero.


And then there's Peter Van Buren, who published a book about the State Department wasting cubic tons of money Iraq, looks like he'll be fired for telling the truth. Not quite prosecution yet, but persecution all the same.

And then there's James Risen, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and author of "State of War". He was subpoenaed as the DoJ wanted to force him to reveal the name of his source. Again ths falls short of prosecution, but you can add intimidating reporters to the list.

Great job, overall!

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
5. Considering this is a democratic website and this is against the Democratic incumbent...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:40 PM
Mar 2012

How is this allowed to be posted and continued to stay here? And to suggest the President is worse than Bush? Give me a break!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. Because it is a Democratic website, people do not march in lockstep and try to cover up
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mar 2012

facts the way they do on Rightwing websites.

Is any of the information in the OP false? If so you are free to refute it. Banning it here won't keep it off the internet, but if it is false, it can be corrected.

The case mentioned in the OP was a case that never should have been brought against someone who did the right thing. The case fell apart completely, but not before a man's reputation was destroyed. That man's life and reputation and his family's are as important as any politician's. He has a right to be heard especially since he was so wronged.

Democrats generally oppose censorship and support Whistle-blowers. There is no way to improve this country by refusing to pay attention to what the government is doing.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
31. Whatever happened to "My party, right or wrong"?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:34 PM
Mar 2012

People, thinking for themselves. The NERVE!!! Who gave you authorization to do that??

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
36. I'm speaking about a post where it's stated the Obama admin is worst than Bush.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:50 PM
Mar 2012

Which is clearly false on it's face.

Response to vaberella (Reply #5)

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
56. Perhaps progressives care more about actual public policy
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 09:48 AM
Mar 2012

than just supporting a political personality. They'd rather deal honestly with their party's failings than just hide them under the rug like Republicans.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
7. Right, some podunk at the Apple Store...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:43 PM
Mar 2012

...tries to confront Holder and "America's chief law enforcement officer turned and fled the store." That sentence discredits the article. Just sad.

Obama is worse than Bush? Well, ya know, Thomas Drake from the Apple Store says so, so...

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
11. "Podunk at the Apple Store" is a former NSA senior official
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:52 PM
Mar 2012

whose decades-long NSA career was destroyed because he dared to blow the whistle on government fraud.

We can only assume that you did more than simply read the first sentence of the OP, and that of course you forgot to add the "sarcasm" tag to your post.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
16. Nope, read the article...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:03 PM
Mar 2012

...and throughout was able to suppress laughter at the kind of "audience" it impresses.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
35. *Cough*
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:49 PM
Mar 2012
Thomas Andrews Drake (born 1957) is a former senior official of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), decorated United States Air Force and United States Navy veteran, computer software expert, linguist, management and leadership specialist, and whistleblower. In 2010 the government alleged that he 'mishandled' documents, one of the few such Espionage Act cases in U.S. history. His defenders claim that he was instead being persecuted for challenging the Trailblazer Project.[4][5][6][7][8][9] He is the 2011 recipient of the Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling and co-recipient of the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence (SAAII) award.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake


I guess I need some cough suppressant.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
9. Bush wanted secrecy to cover up crimes. Obama wants it on general principle.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:50 PM
Mar 2012

Personally I think we need a whistleblower law that completely and utterly protects them, like a witness protection program, until the thing they reported is PUBLICLY investigated, and the PUBLIC, not some bunch of insiders, decides there wasn't any inappropriate secrecy.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
14. Agreed that Bush wanted to cover up crimes
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:59 PM
Mar 2012

but Obama's hard prosecution of whistleblowers such as Drake suggest he agrees with Bush on the matter. In Drake's case, for instance, Drake was the one uncovering the crime -- but he got prosecuted for doing so.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Obviously
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:05 PM
Mar 2012
Agreed that Bush wanted to cover up crimes

but Obama's hard prosecution of whistleblowers such as Drake suggest he agrees with Bush on the matter. In Drake's case, for instance, Drake was the one uncovering the crime -- but he got prosecuted for doing so.

...not. Here's another Bush case that was dropped:

Justice Drops Probe Of Leaker Who Exposed Bush-Era Wiretapping
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/26/135735752/report-justice-drops-probe-of-leaker-who-exposed-bush-era-wiretapping

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
24. Yes
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:23 PM
Mar 2012

"Has there ever been a VALID complaint about Obama in your opinion? Serious question."

...he puts up with too much shit from Republicans and he should withdraw from Afghanistan immediately.

Now, is that supposed to make the claim that he's "worse than Bush" valid?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
26. No, he is not worse than Bush. No rational Dem says that. And I appreciate your....
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012

honesty on the answers. I agree with both.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
15. Seems to be a slow week at the outrage factory.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:03 PM
Mar 2012

Most of the recent outrage widgets seem old and recycled.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
13. Whether Obama is worse than Bush in this regard is up for debate,
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:55 PM
Mar 2012

But the sad fact of the matter, the larger issue in this is that for decades now, there has been a bipartisan effort to reduce civil rights in this country.

We should concentrate on reversing this course, no matter who is in office.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
27. They miss what is important, it doesn't matter who is shredding it faster or harder, IT IS BEING
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012

SHREDDED like old newspaper by both US parties. The constitution ignored or subverted is being shredded even if it is in a vault collecting dust (on the cover that is, the real document is sealed from indignities such as dust)

judesedit

(4,439 posts)
38. It's because of big mouths like Drake that Obama has had to do it. Who got Osama Bin Laden?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:32 PM
Mar 2012

Wake up, America. This guy's pissed off at the government. So much for his vow. He got slapped on the wrist. If the NSA wasted money, it should be found out, but to act like all this is new is bs. That program started in the 90's and due to the easy hackability of internet communications, it had to be done. Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He has had GOP opposition all the way since being elected by the majority of the people. The right has actually made it their main objective. Sorry, country, we're busy making $$$$ for ourselves. You think it's scary now? Vote republican and be scared to death. Talk about secrecy... You had better start researching what's been going on for 10 years now.

40. This is one of the areas where I've been most disappointed by the president.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:22 PM
Mar 2012

He spoke up very clearly in support of habeas corpus and whistleblower protection during the campaign.

Given his record as a scholar and teacher of Constitutional law, I expected much better from him than what we've seen of late.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
42. Pathetic
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

"pathetic that the most defenders of Obama can say is that Bush sucked worse than Obama."

...is the "Obama is worse than Bush" silliness.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
46. I don't think Obama has been worse on whistleblowing than Bush.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:47 PM
Mar 2012

But he hasn't done particularly well. The Drake case was shameful both for the Bush DOJ and the Obama DOJ. It's pathetic that someone who was so "pro-whistle-blower-protection" in his campaign appointed people to the DOJ that let that go forward.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
44. Almost everything at NSA is classified.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:39 PM
Mar 2012

Even if it seems benign.

Its absurd to say Obama is worse than Bush. How soon some forget.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
48. Love what he says about Manning.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:57 PM
Mar 2012
In your opinion, is Bradley Manning a whistle-blower?

There is also a lot of what I call false flag arguments with Manning. It took incredible courage, incredible risk. He ended up listening to his conscience. All the other stuff you hear about is a red herring. All the other stuff is personal and it’s misdirection. Remember, the government uses the court of public opinion, just as much if not more so than whistle-blowers. The advantage they had, in my case, remember, I was way behind the 8-ball. In essence they already made like six moves in chess, before I could make a move at all. They already had the upper hand. They had the narrative. They had the charges. They had painted me as a traitor. That I had violated my oath. That I had betrayed my country.


Burma Jones

(11,760 posts)
55. Do not screw around with Contractors' Billions and Bureaucrats reputations........
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:51 AM
Mar 2012

To say that Obama is worse than Bush (I or II) or worse than Clinton completely misses the point. The Private sector fleecing of the Taxpayer has been going strong since Uncle Ronnie started handing over Government to for-profit corporations. These corporations must have increasing profits to survive. When the Defense Budget is cut, the vast majority of the sums are reaped from reductions in Warfighter and Veterans' Benefits, with a weapons system or two thrown in for show.

Government employees are judged by the size of their shopping lists (budgets). The most powerful Government employee is the one with the biggest Credit Limit.

This is the Oligarchy flexing its muscle........and Obama is as powerless against the Oligarchy as any other individual.......

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