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Highest paid public employee by state (Original Post) pokerfan Jan 2014 OP
The Dakotas have their priorities straight exboyfil Jan 2014 #1
This shows us to be a very sad culture. elleng Jan 2014 #2
It has been a week or so since this picture was posted.... NightWatcher Jan 2014 #3
Agreed. While many don't like the athletic programs, the fact is they bring in tons of money for the okaawhatever Jan 2014 #6
Endless apologies pokerfan Jan 2014 #10
The link you just posted stated clearly that football funds itself LittleBlue Jan 2014 #11
for some schools.... pokerfan Jan 2014 #12
That's after the unprofitable sports take their chunk from the football LittleBlue Jan 2014 #14
Yes but the knight report Sgent Jan 2014 #15
"Even in football and men’s basketball, the numbers aren’t exactly stunning." pokerfan Jan 2014 #16
Stunning to justify the graph joeglow3 Jan 2014 #17
Fair enough Sgent Jan 2014 #19
And if Jock Coach is not number 1, it is number 2 no doubt.....priorities....bet in China it is not. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #4
Bread and circuses... well, maybe not so much bread because that would be "SOCIALISM" ck4829 Jan 2014 #5
The schools don't pay the coaches. Sorry. Boom Sound 416 Jan 2014 #7
Ummm those football programs fund the athletic department LittleBlue Jan 2014 #8
Good points LordGlenconner Jan 2014 #9
Priorities aside, are people with the tools to be successful coaches that scarce a commodity? Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2014 #13
It is a unique set of skills joeglow3 Jan 2014 #18
Our priorities... W.J. McCabe Jan 2014 #20

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
1. The Dakotas have their priorities straight
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

I hate how my state lists the football coach. In our football coach's case, the regent's tried to utilize some oversight but were promptly shot down by the rabid fan base. Those very same fans, including a noted sports "reporter" are now calling for Ferentz's scalp. The problem is that his mutiyear deal will put a real pinch on the sports budget for Iowa.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. It has been a week or so since this picture was posted....
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

Like it or not, these coaches bring in a lot of money to the state universities and as a result get paid a lot of money. Sure, we should be paying a third grade music teacher a lot more, but she doesn't bring in millions a year for the schools.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
6. Agreed. While many don't like the athletic programs, the fact is they bring in tons of money for the
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jan 2014

schools. I only wish more of it went to the players for their well being.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
10. Endless apologies
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jan 2014

Neil deGrasse Tyson ‏tweeted it just an hour ago and that's where I saw it. Yes, college athletics bring in money but in most cases not enough money to offset their expenses.

Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow

Most NCAA Division I athletic departments take subsidies

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
11. The link you just posted stated clearly that football funds itself
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

and has money left over for the other sports that generate big losses.

The problem is not football. Without football, the athletic departments would have to rely wholly on diverting money from education.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
12. for some schools....
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jan 2014
Only seven other athletics programs at public universities broke even or had net operating income on athletics each year from 2005-2009, according to data provided by USA Today to the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics (for which I consult). The others were Louisiana State University, The Pennsylvania State University, and the universities of Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas at Austin.

In other words, 10 programs will have a net income of $9 million, and the remaining 990 will lose $1 million. Despite the almost certainty of substantial loss, in the past decade only two institutions have left this marketplace—Birmingham-Southern College and Centenary College of Louisiana. In fact, Division I has added 21 member institutions since 2000, bringing its total membership to 337.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
14. That's after the unprofitable sports take their chunk from the football
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jan 2014

profits.

In other words, football makes the profits and the sports nobody watches spends those profits, which for all but about a dozen schools ultimately generates a loss.

If football is done away with, virtually all athletic departments would need to shut down or beg for millions more from either the general fund at the schools or from the legislature.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
15. Yes but the knight report
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

is dealing with total athletic expenditures / revenues, not football revenues / expenditures.

I'm not saying its 100%, but I'd be hard pressed to think of very many division I teams which lose money in football. Men's football and basketball make money, baseball might make money depending on the school, everything else loses money.

If you take away the football and basketball revenue, you either severely restrict the athletic department or require a lot more in subsidies from academics.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
16. "Even in football and men’s basketball, the numbers aren’t exactly stunning."
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jan 2014
Even in football and men’s basketball, the numbers aren’t exactly stunning. According to 2010 research by University of Oregon PhD student Christopher Lee, only 57 percent of college football programs are profitable. And the numbers are the same for collegiate basketball: only 57 percent of them make money.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/blog/the_profit_in_college_sports.php

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
17. Stunning to justify the graph
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

One only needs to look at the states that are not blue and can quickly identify which person is highest paid. One can also quickly see these people are clearly making a lot of money for their role.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. Fair enough
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jan 2014

that's better research than I've seen -- although it uses statistics that are 10 years old (2004-2009). That said, the 57% number should put all AQ (BCS) schools in the black, and more than a few of the mid-majors. The salaries that we are seeing are coming from AQ schools.

ck4829

(35,070 posts)
5. Bread and circuses... well, maybe not so much bread because that would be "SOCIALISM"
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jan 2014

But circuses, lots and lots of circuses with flashy lights and funny commercials.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. Ummm those football programs fund the athletic department
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

at most of those schools. Even after what they pay coaches, they are hugely profitable and the excess funds unpopular sports. Football is also the reason for big donors build campus infrastructure and put money into the athletics department.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
9. Good points
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jan 2014

But at DU everyone who laces up a pair of football cleats is either a rapist, or a rapist waiting to happen. The sport is deeply unpopular with many here for that reason. That said, you speak the truth.

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