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As the drought in California continues, 17 communities throughout the state could run out of water within 60 to 120 days, state officials said.
In some districts, the wells are running dry while other reservoirs are nearly empty. The state Health Department compiled a list after surveying the more than 3,000 water agencies in California last week.
The water systems are in all in rural areas that serve from 39 to 11,000 residents. They range from tiny Lompico County Water District in Santa Cruz County to districts that serve the cities of Healdsburg and Cloverdale in Sonoma County.
Some districts have long-running problems that began before the drought. Larger communities like Santa Clara Valley however, have fared better because of long-running conservation programs.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/01/29/report-some-bay-area-communities-could-run-out-of-water-within-4-months/
aquart
(69,014 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)just now putting mandatory water conservation measures into effect ... and they're the first (!) in Sonoma County to even do it. What? I would have thought that local governments would have been putting water restrictions into effect months ago.
http://cleantech.tgdaily.com/rt/cleanTech_v1/next-story/32356356434631745a6f6f71585437794e45353050413d3d
I love Healdsburg (though have only been there once). I think these tourist destinations in wine country haven't wanted to cut back for the wineries or restaurants. But the time has come ... way past time.
Brother Buzz
(36,422 posts)Healdsburg used to be the buckle in the prune belt. In my childhood visits to relatives in Healdsburg, I remember seeing miles and miles of prune orchards.
Eat prunes at night and wake up with that get up and go feeling.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)But prune juice doesn't go all that well with the French Laundry tasting menu
Brother Buzz
(36,422 posts)Just so you know, prunes were once planted all around the brothel and the Veterans' home; our men were regular back in those days.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)It's an eau de vie from the southwest of Franceearthy, but totally delightful. Hard to find in the US, though. My husband sent for a bottle for my birthday once, and only one US shop (in San Francisco) had it.
I'm afraid I'll never probably be able to plunk down the cash for dinner at French Laundry, but I might try making the escalopes roulées aux pruneaux at home!
Throd
(7,208 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,422 posts)but I've made still wines from fig and stone fruit with remarkably unremarkable results. Sugar is sugar; yeast eats sugar, pisses alcohol and belches CO2, but capturing the delicate flavor and smell can be elusive.
I believe Domaine Chandon, across the road, provides an experience worthy of merit with bigger bang for the buck. Still pricey, but doable.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)it generally starts in late October. I started to get worried when no rain had fallen by about mid-December.
We actually are getting some today and tomorrow, but not nearly enough. Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Because there wont' be enough fresh water.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Desalinization won't work if the Fukashima streams are still hitting our coast. So what about distilling? Or do we need a load of water first to start? (Help our my utter ignorance here, pretty please?)
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)but I do know about civilizations, and they always migrate to where the resources are.
We have a weird mindset nowadays where we think everything is permanent and the world is going to have to adapt to humans and cities....wrong. Humans and cities will adapt to however the Earth makes them adapt. The California water problems are not a new problem, the water was always going to run out eventually....now we're getting a glimpse at 30 years in the future when there is no more water in California and those people start moving to places that can better sustain them.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Because, see, the people who do have water ain't letting go and the worse it gets, the less they'll share. But violence and mass murder will definitely solve the problem.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)If there are two things that define the history human civilization and existence on Earth....it would be that civilization moves to where the resources are, and that violence and mass murder will get us there.
I'm not saying violence and mass murder solves any problems but really we're all just animals struggling for survival and the more people there are and the less resources there are, the more wars there will become.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Sounds like a smarmy, gutless, quitter plan. Brainless, too.
Then there were the Romans who built aqueducts and conquered the known world. THEY BROUGHT THE WATER TO THEM.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)they did that, years ago. Not enough water (without major engineering works to bring water from rivers in Canada, or from the Cascades, or from the Great Lakes, anyway).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Water_Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact
http://www.amazon.com/Cadillac-Desert-American-Disappearing-Revised/dp/0140178244
aquart
(69,014 posts)Talk about jobs that can't be exported!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)And the fact that the people who live in the Great Lakes region and Canada don't want them? (To the point where there's a treaty with Canada that prohibits transfers out of the Great Lakes basin, in fact). Not to mention that we aren't just talking about engineering works; it'd require dozens of new power plants (probably nuclear) to pump water UPHILL over the Rockies and over a distance of a thousand miles (and the total cost would be, probably, many hundreds of billions if not trillions); it's hugely impractical and ultimately unworkable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power_Alliance#Power_generation
http://aqueductfutures.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/ghosts-of-nawapa/
JVS
(61,935 posts)TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)You are sadly mistaken.
You want Great Lakes Water? Move to the Great Lakes region. The Lakes are low enough as it is, and we don;t need them going lower.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)hahaha, but saving the California desert from their water shortage is a futile exercise.
That would be like us going up to the Moon and sending 1,000 people up there with 1,000,000 gallons of water, and waiting until they get down to 5,000 gallons before we try to figure out what our next move is.
100 years ago there were only 2.8 Million people in California....now there are 40+ Million with not many people standing around asking "what if?"
You want brainless....let's move 40,000,000 people into the dessert in a blink of an eye and then wonder why there aren't enough resources for them.
aquart
(69,014 posts)An abdication of creative thought in favor of pointless and boring I-told-you-soism.
Desertification is hitting California hard while the rest of the nation is crippled by precipitation. And you can't even BEGIN to imagine someone connecting those dots and coming up with something.
Towel down.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)The city of Atlanta is completely SHUT DOWN due to 1-2 inches of snow. You would think snow was just invented last week based on their reaction to it......yet you think people are smart enough to take all of that snow, melt it down, and think of a cost-effective way to get it to California?!?!?!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(fyi if I don't respond anymore it's probably because I literally died laughing)
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The Romans brought the water to them, but they had untapped sources of water to utilize for that purpose. California doesn't. There are no water sources ANYWHERE in the western United States that aren't already claimed and in use by somebody else. Water levels in the Great Lakes are already dropping, the Mississippi is tapped out, and the major midwestern aquifiers are already experiencing plunging water levels from overuse. The only source within practical reach is Canada, and the Canadians have repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they are not interested in sacrificing their environment for American water needs. Every attempt to export Canadian water (whether to the U.S. or elsewhere) has been shot down.
I suppose you could build a pipeline to Alaska, but that's going to be some expensive water. Desalinization would be far more cost efficient.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)They are already migrating to my elsewhere.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)lack of water will lead to our next mass extinction. Sure....probably won't happen for another 500-1000 years and a couple dozen major wars, but it definitely will happen.
We don't control the Earth, the Earth controls us.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)presumably at the border of Nevada and Arizona, which though they get less water than California because they are drier, you don't seem to say anything about.
my sense is that your assurance is based on not really knowing what you're talking about --hence the simplistic, BS predictions.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)not that everyone will be killed because there are enough resources for a few billion people sustainably, but there will be a mass die off.
My viewpoints are formed based on looking at the history of the last 100 million years on Earth for both humans and animals. What is yours based on?
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)the best laid plans cannot always advert a potential disaster, like shortage of water, a core resource. We're a very very tiny cog in a huge universe, but somehow humans often feel in control of the universe. Not so.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)the Sahara wasn't a desert, once, about 5000 years ago. The region was once a thriving proto-agricultural area, home to societies of cattle-herders and farmers...until climate change (caused by minor shifts in the orbit of the Earth) made it a desert, and what people were there went somewhere else. The same thing will probably happen not just to California but to most of the American West.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Auggie
(31,167 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)just following the logic in your statement.
or perhaps you should restate that.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)so there will be 8 people and they will have a pet dog and 2 cats.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)don't get annoyed with me, own what you said or restate it.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)but most people can figure out generalizations so I have no need to insult their intelligence.
Throd
(7,208 posts)And get over the idea of nice green lawns.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Fukashima contamination is headed to SoCal coast and getting the salt out of that water is the least of our problems. That was why I was wondering if distilled water might be a better answer.
Throd
(7,208 posts)There are other issues with building desalinization plants, but Fukushima is never a part of the conversation.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I wish people would get over their Fukushima fetish.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Everyone else, fend for yourself.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Instead of oil pipelines and refineries, we should be building solar desalination plants along the coastal areas and water pipelines inland from there.
There is no snow pack in the Sierras this year and the situation is only going to get worse. Agriculture is going to suffer, food prices are going to rise precipitously, and day-to-day living is going to run into more and more restrictions.
I started writing to water authorities as long as 30 years ago and they all said the same thing: Desalination is too expensive to be worthwhile now, but we'll consider it in the future, in combination with power plants to make it more cost effective.
This is probably what the money men have been waiting for: Desperation and the willingness to pay almost any price for that vital, (formerly) natural resource that industry has been squandering and poisoning for us, clean water.
We'll pay and they'll profit.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Seems damn dumb not to find a way to grab it when we need it and maybe cut their chances of flooding constantly. The Rockies are an obstacle but we've laughed in their rock faces before.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Seems a bit silly to try and ship over the rockies when there are other potentially better uses for that water locally.
Of course that won't happen either, because Republicans. But it's nice to dream.
kalisto2010
(64 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:28 AM - Edit history (1)
I've been living in the Bay Area for many years now. I can't recall anytime that it's been so dry. Especially after the last few years when it seemed like we had perpetual torrential rain.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)unfortunately, they will be playing catch-up and it's costly.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)This is the usual problem of the United States, which is not just the richest and most powerful nation on Earth now, but on Earth ever, and one of the most blessed in terms of natural resources. We just collectively make loopy decisions about how to distribute the money and water, and we could make other decisions. Whether or not those priorities will change, we could at least have a reality-based conversation about them.
Take water. My friend Derek Hitchcock, a biologist working to restore the Yuba River, likes to say that California is still a place of abundance. He recently showed me a Pacific Institute report and other documents to bolster his point. They show that about 80% of the state's water goes to agriculture, not to people, and half of that goes to four crops -- cotton, rice, alfalfa and pasturage (irrigated grazing land) -- that produce less than 1% of the state's wealth. Forty percent of the state's water. Less than 1% of its income. Meanwhile, we Californians are told the drought means that ordinary households should cut back -- and probably most should -- but the lion's share of water never went to us in the first place, and we should know it.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)...are going to hit hard those households, like ours, that have already made water conservation a part of our lifestyle. Cutting 20%, while doable for us, is going to involve a lot more creativity than for those more profligate in their household water usage.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)It essentially says that water should flow to those with the most money. It's a mindset widely embraced by those with money, and shunned by those without it.
California rice crops and irrigated pasturage mostly takes place on the soil under the former marshlands and lakes that used to dominate much of the Central Valley before the water was diverted and the white man dried everything out. When people are complaining about "raising rice in the desert", what they're really complaining about is the fact that farmers are still giving the land a portion of the water that originally flowed there anyway. To cut that water off would simply complete the process of desertification and destroy some of the last remaining habitat for Valley wildlife, including migratory birds.
Alfalfa is raised as feed for many of the livestock industries in the Valley. Eliminate that, and you eliminate both the livestock industry, and the roughly half million jobs that are either directly or indirectly dependent on it (so much for "low value" .
Cotton we'll agree on. There shouldn't be cotton in the Valley. But it's largely a moot point anyway...acres dedicated to Valley cotton production have plunged by nearly 80% since 2007. The farmers are replanting more valuable crops, but it's been a big problem for many of the businesses that once served the cotton growers. Still, they'll adapt.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and the article is from 2009, so it may (hopefully) have declined since then.
I actually was wondering about the connection between alfalfa and livestock. Is there something that could feed them that isn't as thirsty?
Xithras
(16,191 posts)I've heard it discussed on the radio, but a quick Google turned this supporting article up: http://westernfarmpress.com/central-valley-permanent-crops-dairy-increase-major-cotton-reduction. This says that Valley farm acreage dedicated to cotton has declined from more than 1 million acres in 1997 to 250,000 in 2008. My understanding is that it's since declined substantially even from that number. I'm not a farmer, but it's hard to live in the Valley and NOT pick up on some of this stuff.
As for alfalfa, the reality is that there are other things being fed to them, but the growing seasons are different. Alfalfa is available when corn isn't. Corn is available when alfalfa isn't. The two crops are complementary to each other. Alfalfa, by the way, is better known to most people as "hay". If you've ever been to a farm, you've no doubt seen the hay bales they use to feed the animals. Most farmers, ranchers, and dairies are at least partially dependent on hay to feed their herds. Growing alfalfa may not be the most efficient use of water, but that hay has to be grown somewhere.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Let's hope we get smart and use it to it's fullest potential.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Agriculture and Mining combined make up just 2% of CA's gross domestic product at about 35 billion.