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Open Letter To Liberals And Progressives (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2014 OP
love it. magical thyme Jan 2014 #1
So you're one of 'them'! babylonsister Jan 2014 #3
Ain't hippie punching fun? BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #2
Wow. Totally over your head if you think this is about babylonsister Jan 2014 #5
Using derogatory names such as "Far Left" and "Firebagger" BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #8
I guess your 'derogatory' is not mine, but maybe my skin has thickened. babylonsister Jan 2014 #10
Ah, I see BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #12
So are you going to vote against ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #38
LOYALTY OATH ALERT DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #46
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #49
Yeah, that was the reality of your post.. butbutbut.. Cha Jan 2014 #119
This reminds me Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #72
Well said, Jamaal. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #77
Pretty much what happened in 2010. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2014 #86
WEll, lets see WHO "stayed home". bvar22 Jan 2014 #134
Probably didn't explain myself as completely as I should have... WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2014 #137
But it's not bullying when the bully claims to be on your side? BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #90
Whining about "Hippy-punching" and "Liberal-bashing" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #97
Good job... you're the only one to use "whining"! WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #106
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #109
And miss your keen insight? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #110
So I am supposed to be made fun of by the people I vote for? BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #87
Why do you claim a title that you don't think applies? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #99
So you draw the line at the white house then? progressoid Jan 2014 #121
Yours isn't the only skin that has thicknened. Have you seen the polls on how many people now sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #122
If this is only about GOP goobers, then why.... Armstead Jan 2014 #48
I agree with you. That babylonsister Jan 2014 #55
It reminds me of Bart Simpson's GOTV message: myrna minx Jan 2014 #130
Taking cue from the president, who, during the budget standoff, said Doctor_J Jan 2014 #19
How can it be hippie punching? hootinholler Jan 2014 #23
Mostly it's the self-proclaimed hippies hating on the left, from what I've seen Scootaloo Jan 2014 #40
sick stupid shit. cali Jan 2014 #4
So sorry it doesn't meet with your approval. nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #7
I'm thinking more along the lines of a DLC DINO that wrote this. RC Jan 2014 #82
Well written. TheMathieu Jan 2014 #6
"Democrat President"? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #9
Yeah, not the best thing that has been posted here Warpy Jan 2014 #53
20 more minutes of fun then I'm pulling the plug and turning on "Elementary." WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #71
Lizard, is that you? babylonsister Jan 2014 #116
Well said, Warpy. Laelth Jan 2014 #129
Is this from the People's View? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #11
Vic Pilkington on Facebook. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #25
Ooh, so that means you can't blame Obama for anything then. He has zero responsibility quinnox Jan 2014 #13
According to that, he's been "obstructed" since day one... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #17
yep, perfect example of the -- Obama is some kind of demi-god mindset quinnox Jan 2014 #18
The NC GOP destroyed DECADES of progress in a matter of months. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #20
+1000. I suspect the "peoples view" has returned in the form of several newbies quinnox Jan 2014 #27
However will they function once *He* is out of office? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #75
The buck doesn't stop with him. 840high Jan 2014 #84
right now lots of people do not approve of Obama's job hfojvt Jan 2014 #14
Far left baggrers nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #15
Yep, I Think The "Label" Is Really ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #62
Whoops... That Was Stupid Of Me! ChiciB1 Jan 2014 #65
Not a problem, we all need to vent from time to time nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #73
GOTV 2014! nt sheshe2 Jan 2014 #16
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #43
Um insulting core beliefs tends to get people fired up Armstead Jan 2014 #50
But being insulted by folks that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #96
Vote Dem so the president can ram through TPP and KeystoneXL? Doctor_J Jan 2014 #21
I'm surprised "he" isn't capitalized, with the i's dotted with hearts. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #24
Standard divisive "Blame Democrats" nonsense AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #22
You angry, bitter people crack me up! babylonsister Jan 2014 #26
Wow, babylonsister, quite the reaction! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #28
Insulting people who you are asking to vote is poor marketing Armstead Jan 2014 #35
Damn right I'm angry. I live in North Carolina... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #36
I live in GA, feel your pain, but don't choose to babylonsister Jan 2014 #44
Thanks, Bill. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #54
Despite the White House calling me "fucking retarded", MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #29
You might have missed this... babylonsister Jan 2014 #41
Independents are to the LEFT of most elected Democrats MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #42
Score one for Mr. Manny Armstead Jan 2014 #51
lol! So MannyG! nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #56
The WH doesn't have a mouth. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #57
Despite the President approving of Rahm Emanuel calling me "fucking retarded"... MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #60
So why did you vote for him twice? ProSense Jan 2014 #61
Live in the past much? Move on. nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #76
NOBODY from the WH called ANYONE "fucking retarded". jazzimov Jan 2014 #63
Yes they did. OilemFirchen Jan 2014 #117
All he had to do was nothing and the Bush tax cuts would have expired. Then, there is the fact that grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #30
Lost me at Firebaggers..... Armstead Jan 2014 #31
Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono MisterP Jan 2014 #32
K & R x 1,000. nt AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #33
LOL, got to love the Democratic Party and its diversity Iliyah Jan 2014 #34
A far-left bagger Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #78
I'm all for moderation Armstead Jan 2014 #85
We're also the people who expected Obama to use the executive powers... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #89
I think his first two years were a good indication of what the last three would have been. gLibDem Jan 2014 #37
Many of us 'Far Left Fire Baggers' Titonwan Jan 2014 #39
I will definitely vote fadedrose Jan 2014 #45
Awwwww thats sweet - fadedrose Iliyah Jan 2014 #52
Fuck any thread that starts by bashing liberals. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #47
Liberals bash Liberals constantly on DU...there won' be much left to read. lol Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #58
You may have a point there. I'd like to think I do too. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #66
Haha! babylonsister Jan 2014 #69
We controlled House and Senate for the first years of his presidency. Unrec LittleBlue Jan 2014 #59
Open letter to all who accuse liberals of not voting: LWolf Jan 2014 #64
Oh, so you want a pony! Doctor_J Jan 2014 #80
Damned straight I want a pony. LWolf Jan 2014 #126
Winner BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #91
Yep. LWolf Jan 2014 #127
I vote for the most progressive candidates on the ballot. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #67
Kick and rec'd! BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #68
Sorry, babylonsis - I'm sure you posted this in good faith, BUT scarletwoman Jan 2014 #70
It most certainly was NOT posted in good faith Doctor_J Jan 2014 #79
Get lost. You have no idea. nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #112
What a riot! Get angry about the right things, not your babylonsister Jan 2014 #74
You're right in a way but..The reaction is not about bruised egos.. Armstead Jan 2014 #81
This post is a shit stirring post nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #88
We know the GOP sucks. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #100
Democrat Party??? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #83
I noticed that too, and it's quite the trojan horse. Loudly Jan 2014 #102
And 2009-2011 was? n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #92
You know, the populists aren't the ONLY ones who are pissed off these days… MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #93
I have done the next best thing to actually running nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #95
true dat, nadinbrzezinski... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #98
Obama kicked Howard Dean and his 50 State Strategy to the curb BuelahWitch Jan 2014 #94
We needed numerous election cycles for that to really take hold. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #108
Evidently Far Left votes are not wanted for the next Democrat president no matter who that might be Fumesucker Jan 2014 #101
K&R Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #103
Lost Me At "Far Left Firebaggers"... WillyT Jan 2014 #104
No and no. Don't start. babylonsister Jan 2014 #107
Okey Dokey... WillyT Jan 2014 #111
Whataguy!%# babylonsister Jan 2014 #113
WillyT… the link didn't work... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #114
That Was The Point... It Does Not Show Itself... If You Right Click On The Image Below... WillyT Jan 2014 #115
Aaahhh, SO! MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #125
It was your precious "moderates" who sat out the election. Marr Jan 2014 #105
They can't ever admit that because it puts a hell of a dent in the lame rationale for bad policy TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #118
I love it, the rec list makes be believe it. Rex Jan 2014 #120
What? MFrohike Jan 2014 #123
Dumbassery par excellence whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #124
They're cheering "Democrat President," whis is about as Rush Limbaugh as it gets. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #131
Give us something to vote for. Laelth Jan 2014 #128
Can tell an article is good if it offends Greens/Libertarians/wannabe Anarchists etc. great white snark Jan 2014 #132
Voting is Important colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #133
LOL. bvar22 Jan 2014 #135
I am working to turn Texas blue Gothmog Jan 2014 #136
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
1. love it.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jan 2014
Editor's nit: 1st 'graph, 2nd sentence, I think was meant to end with "he has tried to accomplish" (versus "he has tried accomplished.&quot .

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
2. Ain't hippie punching fun?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:21 PM
Jan 2014

Equating wingnuts with liberals, i.e. "Far Left Firebaggers" is just gross.

And deserves a big from me.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
5. Wow. Totally over your head if you think this is about
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jan 2014

hippie punching. I is one. This is about the goobers in the gop, but take what you must from it.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. Using derogatory names such as "Far Left" and "Firebagger"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jan 2014

Is as offensive as "libruls" and "lefties" "fucking retarded" and is a way to denigrate those who aren't sensible centrists. But you know that.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
10. I guess your 'derogatory' is not mine, but maybe my skin has thickened.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

"Fucking retarded" is where I'd draw a very long line.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
12. Ah, I see
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jan 2014

But make sure you vote for more Third Wayers you "Far Left Fire Bagger Pony-Wanting ODS Racist Randian Thin-Skinned Hippies" or it'll be all your fault!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice sales pitch.


Edited to add: You might want to check where this comes from, because the use of the other wingerism is "Democrat President." I think you been punked.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
38. So are you going to vote against ...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

the republican hoard or not?

(Note: Not voting = voting for the republican hoard)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
49. No ...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jan 2014

a simple question to determine whether the poster I asked the question of planned to vote for his/her interests ... even if not all (or even some) of his/her agenda goes unmet.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
72. This reminds me
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jan 2014

&quot Note: Not voting = voting for the republican hoard)"

of how my Sociology professor, just this week, was talking about bullying. She said that even when one is a bystander who does not intervene in a bullying situation, it means that the person is allowing the bullying to happen. It's pretty much the same thing with elections; by staying home instead of voting for the major party that is most closely aligned with one's beliefs, they are allowing the other party a better chance to get in power who is further away from their beliefs.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
86. Pretty much what happened in 2010.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jan 2014
...by staying home instead of voting for the major party that is most closely aligned with one's beliefs, they are allowing the other party a better chance to get in power who is further away from their beliefs.
Republicans continue think their big win was a rejection of Obama and acceptance of their ideas, no matter how wacky. In reality, all those who stayed at home pouting because everything wasn't rainbows and unicorns helped cause this mess we're in now.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
134. WEll, lets see WHO "stayed home".
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

There is a persistent and pervasive myth that Liberals stayed home in 2010 to punish President Obama,
but the facts do NOT support this myth.
It has been debunked many times at DU,
but this propaganda Talking Point blaming the Left is still being catapulted by either the uninformed,
or the willful spreaders of false information.

Did liberals really stay home and cause the 2010 rout?

You know what I'm talking about. The claim that a bunch of liberals were so pissed off at Obama that they stayed home and this caused the 2010 rout. It's pervasive. I won't link to examples because it comes up so regularly I see no point singling anyone out.

So I went back to the exit polls and the picture I see shows nothing like that. If you are a proponent of this claim, I challenge you for empirical proof that some set of activist liberals "took their ball and went home" or whatever metaphor you prefer to make Obama's leftward critics appear childish and immature. Inside, the evidence I found that shows this just ain't so.

<snip>

Still the claim that petulant liberals punished Obama to their own detriment is repeated so often with such certitude, I thought I would request to see the proof of it, because I don't see it, in the most obvious place it would appear if it were there, the proportion and voting of actual liberals in comparable elections.

If you have some more complex explanation of how it really happened, I would like to see it, because all I see is the proportion of the voting population calling themselves "conservatives" grew tremendously at expense of those calling themselves "moderates." [font size=3] Either a bunch of moderates became conservatives, or moderates stayed home, or a lot of conservatives who usually stay home came out. Or some combination of those things.[/font] Yet any of those explanations would be tremendously at odds with the "blame the progressives" explanation.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/06/1003805/-Did-liberals-really-stay-home-and-cause-the-2010-rout#

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
137. Probably didn't explain myself as completely as I should have...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jan 2014

I know liberals and progressives turned out...we understood the problems and wanted to make sure Obama had people he could work with. I really think the fall down occurred with all those new folks who went to the polls in 2008 and then expected miracles...THEY stayed home in 2010. I also fault the media for consistantly giving (as they still are) wa-a-a-a-y to much air time to right wing lunatics who did nothing but mad mouth everything he wanted to do. They also never bothered (and really still haven't) reported on the Republican meetings held on BOTH Inauguration Days pledging to obstruct everything. That damn letter signed the second time should have been ALL OVER the news.

I've gotta go to class...see you guys later.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
90. But it's not bullying when the bully claims to be on your side?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not talking about voting in this particular instance. I'm talking about liberal bashing on this very thread and by the DINOs on this site.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
87. So I am supposed to be made fun of by the people I vote for?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jan 2014

I vote for those whose interests reflect mine. I do as much research on a candidate as I can and try to look at their voting record. If they vote against all the things I believe in, yet call themselves a Democrat, I don't vote for them. I'm pretty lucky because I live in a "Far Left Firebagger" bastion so I don't have to make that choice very often. They're pretty easy to spot. Their fans usually are the first giveaway.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
99. Why do you claim a title that you don't think applies? ...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jan 2014
If they vote against all the things I believe in, yet call themselves a Democrat, I don't vote for them.


EW and Sanders voted for the budget compromise ... will you withhold your vote from them? After all, the voted against something that you believe in?

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
121. So you draw the line at the white house then?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:01 AM
Jan 2014

Since it was the President's senior advisor that called us that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
122. Yours isn't the only skin that has thicknened. Have you seen the polls on how many people now
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:27 AM
Jan 2014

identify with either politicital party? I guess people have finally decided that if their party no longer wants them, rather than continue to be subjected to abuse, except when votes are needed, they are taking the message of 'we don't need your ideas' seriously. It was bound to happen.

The largest bloc of voters is now Independent. 'Firebaggers' used to vote Democratic. I wonder if they too are now among the 'no longer registered as a Democrat' contingency. History has examples of this when people finally take the message that they are no longer welcome in their party, seriously. This may finally be one of those times.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. If this is only about GOP goobers, then why....
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jan 2014

Does it include a totally unecessary and gratitous slap at the so-called far left firebaggers?

NOt. Great way to build a winning coalition.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
55. I agree with you. That
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jan 2014

was gratuitous and uncalled for. But it doesn't negate the basic message that we not only should, as good citizens, vote in an 'off-election' year, but it's pretty crucial this year. That to me was the main message that got so convoluted.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
130. It reminds me of Bart Simpson's GOTV message:
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jan 2014

"Hey four eyes, vote Quimby"
"Hey beardo, vote Quimby"


It's a bizarre GOTV tactic - hurling insults.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
19. Taking cue from the president, who, during the budget standoff, said
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jan 2014

&quot Boner and I) both have to deal with extremists in our respective parties". Obama thinks that liberals are like teabaggers too.

As for voting, so what if the president took the public option off the table, supports TPP, KeystoneXL, corporate for-profit schools and Blanche Lincoln? You still better vote or it's all your fault!

Hippie-bashing - DU's favorite sport

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
23. How can it be hippie punching?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jan 2014

It has the nice parchment background and they meant far left firebagger in the most amicable way, don't you realize that?

Nice how the buck gets passed back to congress with the absolution.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
40. Mostly it's the self-proclaimed hippies hating on the left, from what I've seen
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

But your point is not missed, nor is it ill-founded.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
82. I'm thinking more along the lines of a DLC DINO that wrote this.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jan 2014

You know, those Right of Center "liberals" that won't do anything for the people, because those bully Republicans won't let them. Those beholden to the corporations and Wall Street. It sure does not read as if it were written by any kind of Center or Left of Center Liberal.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
9. "Democrat President"?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:31 PM
Jan 2014


Who or what the hell is "mvp"?



And we're back to "Far Left Fire Baggers"!



I'm surprised, I really thought you were more of a "substance" poster, not this sort of stupid shit.

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
53. Yeah, not the best thing that has been posted here
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jan 2014

Certainly far from the best written.

Let this one sink into obscurity. It's where it belongs.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
25. Vic Pilkington on Facebook.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jan 2014
https://www.facebook.com/vic.pilkington

Vic Pilkington It’s no secret that the GOP strategy has been to block any progress he tries to make, water down every bill he tries to pass, demonize any issue he stands for and blame him for being ineffective and not making any progress. That demonization appears to be working on many progressives.

December 10, 2011 at 6:23pm · Like

https://www.facebook.com/liberalandproud/posts/104288089689978


Or at least that's what a quickie search turned up.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
17. According to that, he's been "obstructed" since day one...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jan 2014

yet five years later he's just finding his magic wand, er, pen AND phone.

Will Pitt really has gotten to them...

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
18. yep, perfect example of the -- Obama is some kind of demi-god mindset
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jan 2014

"If only he had not been obstructed, he would have done so much for liberals!"

Riiiight, except for one little thing, he has demonstrated by his words and actions that he ain't no liberal.

And Obama did have a Democratic congress, and didn't even try to push progressive stuff in the first place.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
20. The NC GOP destroyed DECADES of progress in a matter of months.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jan 2014

It makes me SICK to think of what might have been (after 8 disastrous years of the BFEE), if Obama and the Democratic Party had only seized on the power when they had it.

And it's cute that this crew is now referring to themselves as "Populists." It's gotta be Spamdan.


 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
27. +1000. I suspect the "peoples view" has returned in the form of several newbies
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jan 2014

especially one in particular. All they do is run around attacking other Duers for not being willing to drink and overdose on the kool-aid. Just like the peoples view people would do.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
75. However will they function once *He* is out of office?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jan 2014

Obama Withdrawal Syndrome? Ugh. I can hardly wait.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
14. right now lots of people do not approve of Obama's job
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

It's not a good idea to call them either "mindless Right Wing morons" or "Far left fire baggers".

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
62. Yep, I Think The "Label" Is Really
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jan 2014

quite offensive to those of us who feel/see a great deal of "swizz cheese" in the past 5 years. It's IS quite true that the Repukes have done nothing but obstruct all things OBAMA, still I myself can't cheer lead when after clearly seeing said obstruction he kept trying to win them over by compromising!

It just seems there should have come a time early on that he would have taken the bull by the horns and let them know he wasn't going to be pushed around. I could say much more and I feel he's an upstanding citizen, but so many of us wanted to see some "fire in his belly!" I guess he never wanted to be called an "angry black man!"

But in reality he's been called every thing from the Anti-Christ to a Socialistic Communist who set out to ruin this country! And they still call him whatever they want, letting too many unintelligent morons eat it up and keep the mantras going! I wanted him to understand that YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID and let them know they weren't going to push him around!

Enough, just letting off some steam.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. Not a problem, we all need to vent from time to time
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jan 2014

I just found that call to vote, strangely leading to voting supression

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. +1 ...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jan 2014

It amazes me what gets folks around here fired up!

I'm soooo glad I found this spot named DEMOCRATICunderground!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
96. But being insulted by folks that ...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jan 2014

are working against everything that you hold dear, not quibbles about timing or tactics; but end results, doesn't?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. Vote Dem so the president can ram through TPP and KeystoneXL?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jan 2014

Make more progress on the Bush Education juggernaut? Possibly raise the minimum wage to a whopping $10?

Woo-hoo! Calling people names to get out and vote for a right-wing agenda! The DINOs have jumped the shark. Unless this is something from Fox Nation and the BOG swallowed it whole.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
26. You angry, bitter people crack me up!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jan 2014

The meme came from here-check it out.

https://www.facebook.com/MemeGOP?fref=ts


Your angst again the Prez v. against the gop is tres' interesting. Maybe you need to direct all your anger in the right direction? All I/this was suggesting is that 2014 could be a really important year to vote. Take what you wish from it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
35. Insulting people who you are asking to vote is poor marketing
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jan 2014

...unless, if those who noticed the "Democrat President" tip off are correct, this is a bit of intentionally divisive punksmanship from the right wing

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
36. Damn right I'm angry. I live in North Carolina...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jan 2014

where absolute hatred of Obamacare led to Republicans seizing control in 2010 and 2012, even though in both elections, Democrats outvoted Republicans in straight-party voting. As far as the 2014 midterms, Senator Kay Hagan (D) is trailing one Republican challenger by 7%, and a Teabagger by 4%. Obama better keep that magic pen handy. We'll see.

But by all means, keep up with the cutesy, dumbed-down Facebook graphics.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
54. Thanks, Bill.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not really feeling too much pain, but many in this state are. And DU needs to be reminded of that.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. Despite the White House calling me "fucking retarded",
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jan 2014

I vote. For Democrats. For Elizabeth Warren I vote with joy. For some other Democrats, not so much joy. So does every other Liberal I know. We all vote. All the time. For Democrats, or *maybe* on occasion for a Green, but only when the Republican can't possibly win.

Perhaps you'd like us to vote two or three times per election? I'd love to, but that's illegal.

You know who doesn't vote when they're power-mooned by the folks they voted into office? Independents, that's who. Perhaps you can beseech *them* to vote for Democrats instead of pouting on the sidelines. Or you could even ask some Democrats to stop power-mooning the 99%, so the Independents won't be so depressed and angry. Either of these would make more sense than asking people who already vote, to please start voting.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
41. You might have missed this...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379359

http://prospect.org/article/republican-problem-independent-voters

The Republican Problem With Independent Voters

Paul Waldman

January 23, 2014

On economic issues, independents are closer to Democrats than they are to Republicans.

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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
117. Yes they did.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:13 AM
Jan 2014

They called Manny "fucking retarded". He just said so.

That seems rather mean and I believe that they should state, unequivocally, that Manny is not fucking retarded.

Unless they have evidence that he is. In that case, I'm cool with it.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
30. All he had to do was nothing and the Bush tax cuts would have expired. Then, there is the fact that
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

he would not let Medicare for All to be on the table and advocates were removed and excluded from the discussion, but whatever, I understand you think he is just to wimpy to stand up to the bullies. But don't worry. We will vote

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
31. Lost me at Firebaggers.....
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jan 2014

If you really want to makr comparisons....

Teabaggers are funded and carry out the will of Zillionaires and Mega Corporations

Democratic centrists who love to insult rhe "left" (i.e. Anyone who doesn't blundly support the status quo) are also funded and carry out the will of Zillionaires and MEga Corporations

Ergo sum...

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
32. Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jan 2014

and other policies he went out of his way to block, purge, or move rightwards

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
34. LOL, got to love the Democratic Party and its diversity
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jan 2014

That name is new to me "Far Left Baggers". Liberal is still the ugliest word to the other side and will out last any other. I'm a proud "Liberal", and yes, I will work with different campaigns so that we can keep the Senate and at least make good ground in the House and States.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
78. A far-left bagger
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jan 2014

is the opposite, yet the same thing as the original 'baggers on the right; while they're on opposite sides of the political spectrum, neither of them like moderates, and they both dismiss any sort of progress unless they get absolutely everything they want (immediately). In addition, it is difficult for both types of 'baggers to distinguish between both of the major parties despite numerous differences such as where they both stand on health care, taxes, women's rights, foreign policy, etc.

That is a rough explanation on FL and FR 'baggers.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
85. I'm all for moderation
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jan 2014

But the right-wing policies the leadership of both parties have been pushing since the early 80's is anything but moderate.

And wanting to see us move away from those policies gets people characterized as "far left."

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
89. We're also the people who expected Obama to use the executive powers...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jan 2014

available to him, while the uninformed and very vocal on this board insisted he didn't have a magic wand/pen, or a bully pulpit.

We're also the ones who thought he looked pitiful in that "please like me" meeting with Republican leadership. See, some of us have paid attention during past administrations. The GOP does NOT act in good faith. It's taken five years, but Obama seems to have finally figured that out.

We're also the people who realized Obama and the Democratic Party blew it during the very early period of his administration, when we were in complete power. The GOP knows what to do with power... why don't Democrats?

I could go on, but it's Jonny Lee Miller time.

 

gLibDem

(130 posts)
37. I think his first two years were a good indication of what the last three would have been.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jan 2014

And they weren't exactly progressive.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
39. Many of us 'Far Left Fire Baggers'
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

don't see much 'progress' from an administration that appoints bankers that caused the economic problems, or supports indefinite detention of people, or drone assassination of U.S. citizens without 'due process', or has used the 1917 Espionage Act more than all previous presidents combined (eight and counting). Or kept republican't officials in offices better meant for Democrats. I hardly count this as progress.
No bankers are in prison. No war criminals have been executed. No violations of FISA (circa 1978 provisions) have been prosecuted. No real changes to the surveillance state. I hardly count this as progress.
If it were not for radicals pulling at the edges, this ship would turn starboard even worse than it is now.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
45. I will definitely vote
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

You are close to being the official conscience of the party, rather, I mean the board.

The party needs one.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
59. We controlled House and Senate for the first years of his presidency. Unrec
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jan 2014

Americans need solutions, not bad apologies and revisionism.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
64. Open letter to all who accuse liberals of not voting:
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jan 2014

Don't blatantly flaunt ignorance. Stop spreading false propaganda about the voting habits of liberals. You aren't helping GOTV by suggesting that the reason Democrats lose is because liberals don't vote.

If you really want to GOTV, give those who sit out someone worth voting for. Inspire reluctant voters with candidates who are not corporate owned and who will fight for labor, for the environment, for the poor, and always put working people's needs ahead of corporate/military/fundamental theocratic interests.

Signed,

The liberals and/or progressives who always vote.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
80. Oh, so you want a pony!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014
candidates who are not corporate owned and who will fight for labor, for the environment, for the poor, and always put working people's needs ahead of corporate/military/fundamental theocratic interests.


The DINOs and BOG just refuse to get this simple, cogent point. Much better to blame the problem on racism or ignorance of how the government works.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
68. Kick and rec'd!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jan 2014

It's pissing off a LOT of the usual suspects, and it's entertaining to watch as they bluster and bellow.

Posts like these are necessary. That way, they don't get a sense that they're undermining another pro-Democratic Party community while getting away with their unrealistic "scorched earth" opining.

LOVE it, babylonsister!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
70. Sorry, babylonsis - I'm sure you posted this in good faith, BUT
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jan 2014

I don't need some anonymous screed by some snot-nosed blogger I never heard of calling out "left-baggers" to supposedly encourage me to vote.

I've voted in every damn election for 44 years, and I've ALWAYS voted Dem - whether I liked them or not. And I reserve the right to NOT like them, since for all my voting things have just been getting worse and worser.

The author of that piece of tripe can kiss my lefty ass.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
74. What a riot! Get angry about the right things, not your
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

hurt little egos.

FAR LEFT FIRE BAGGERS.

Yes, not cool and so many offended people here. I really think nothing offends me anymore; I'm immune.

This is DU. There's so much more in this world to be offended by.

Could you try to absorb the rest of this? What part of the actions of the gop do you agree with?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
81. You're right in a way but..The reaction is not about bruised egos..
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jan 2014

I'm also way past immune to a lot of things here on DU. One has to give as good as one gets here.,...And have a certain sense of humor about it all.

However, we also all have our sore points. And one sore point for many of us are references that are dismissive of the concerns of progressives/liberals who are not happy with President Obama on various issues -- or are unhappy with much about the Democratic Party's tendency to side with corporations when push comes to shove.

That's not a matter of bruised egos. It hits home because that is what the Democratic Poo Bahs have been doing for decades -- much to the determent of the country.

So, when a post contains a little nuggets like "far left firebaggers" in what is supposed to be a call for unity, it's going to stir up the shit pot.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
83. Democrat Party???
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jan 2014

I'll be doing my part as well as I can this year. But who writes Democrat Party?

Democrat is a noun. Democratic is the adjective. Democratic Party.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
102. I noticed that too, and it's quite the trojan horse.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jan 2014

Popularized by Limbaugh, if not invented by him.

Adopted by unsuspecting liberals / progressives who think they're being rhetorically correct.

When all they are doing is assisting the bloody bastards who would undermine them.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
93. You know, the populists aren't the ONLY ones who are pissed off these days…
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

Persons of DU, I would imagine, VOTE. I have in everything from local to national elections in 3 different states of the Union. I also "engaged in citizenship" in 5 years of one of the most un-selfish things you can do - I became a local official… I ran, won 4 elections financed with my own money as a Democrat… I am glad to have done it, but no good deed goes unpunished, let's just say.

In the last year, doing what was right was NOT easy… standing up for what I believed Democrats would have supported gave me the opportunity to see that power and power brokers aren't about parties. Many in this town who do not pay attention became completely dis-engaged, side tracked by the shiny little objects of a very corrupt system. A lot of Democrats do that in this country.

I'd like to say that I voted for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton, and with the exception of some state races, and even I find the Democrats are the better over an alternative, I do not appreciate the deceit coming from the majority of those in BOTH parties, and this includes any rhetoric of Barack Obama's putting on his comfortable shoes to get behind "main street" over "Wall Street". It does not include his clandestine participation for the TPP. He was never a progressive, had we checked him out from the outset. At best, he has been socially liberal and most beholding to a corrupt Wall Street who assured his position in the White House while a lot of us worked our asses off on the street.

We had a chance right before Nancy Pelosi took "impeachment off the table", and we'll never reverse Bush's unitary executive moves resulting in the loss of so much civil liberty. Just look at the push back against those who stand for main street under the occupy movement. I read it here often.

If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention. By the way, Democrats can truly define themselves that way, and not because everyone should feel the same way about the majority of what passes as Democrats in office, who wouldn't know main street if it squirted up their ass.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
95. I have done the next best thing to actually running
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:23 PM
Jan 2014

we cover politics. We get to see it, in crazy detail. I agree with you, the corruption is deep, and no deed goes unpunished.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
98. true dat, nadinbrzezinski...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jan 2014

It leaves you breathless to be part of it. I finally believe that most people don't pay attention AT ALL…

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
94. Obama kicked Howard Dean and his 50 State Strategy to the curb
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jan 2014

In my little city, in '06 and '08, local Democrats were working their tails off, making sure everyone had an absentee ballot and then picking up said ballot before election day. I called them in '10 to ask if they were going to do the same thing, and it was, "Oh, you can print out a ballot here (gave website) and then mail it to the address on the same page." Very lackadaisical, like "Why are you bothering ME, bitch?" I think a change at the DNC had something to do with the poor vote turnout too.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
101. Evidently Far Left votes are not wanted for the next Democrat president no matter who that might be
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jan 2014

Pity.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
104. Lost Me At "Far Left Firebaggers"...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

And BTW... This Is The Site Where This Image Comes From...

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net

Why don't they show themselves ???


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
115. That Was The Point... It Does Not Show Itself... If You Right Click On The Image Below...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jan 2014


You will see the site as:

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net

The image has: /hphotos-prn2/t1/1514596_746683958684880_173544007_n.png

Added to it... but the source remains hidden.





 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
105. It was your precious "moderates" who sat out the election.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

So I really don't what you're so "pissed off" about.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
118. They can't ever admit that because it puts a hell of a dent in the lame rationale for bad policy
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:57 AM
Jan 2014

They have to blame liberals it is their greatest source of recreation and the only fig leaf available to keep up the "Centrist" agenda.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
120. I love it, the rec list makes be believe it.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:18 AM
Jan 2014

So now even the populists are mad and won't take it anymore? Sadly the GOP is always the enemy, if moderates can stop being stupid long enough to be rational maybe they will come along and get the drift too. Okay I am onboard. Let's go fuck up the GOP three ways from Sunday!

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
123. What?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:48 AM
Jan 2014

That's nothing but a word soup of political buzzwords. Why on earth would populists of all people be making excuses in the name of party unity? Populists are semi-permanent insurgents in American politics. They don't make excuses for particular politicians for get out the vote photoshops.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
131. They're cheering "Democrat President," whis is about as Rush Limbaugh as it gets.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jan 2014

Seriously, who *are* these people? LOL

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
128. Give us something to vote for.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jan 2014

Please, party apparatchiks (and I'm not suggesting that the OP is one), remember Truman.

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman


-Laelth

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
132. Can tell an article is good if it offends Greens/Libertarians/wannabe Anarchists etc.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jan 2014

Hell, even simply asking people to vote pisses some off.

Thanks for this babylonsister.

GOTV '14

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
133. Voting is Important
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014

And I think more "liberal and progressives" would vote if they thought the so called liberal people they vote for wouldn't go all third way once in.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
135. LOL.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jan 2014

[font size=3]"Democrat President" ??!![/font]

Now EVERYBODY knows the origin of this divisive screed.
It is unfortunate that even on DU there are a handful of the blind faithful that will pick up and catapult ANYTHING that blames the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Keep up the Good Work bashing Democrats!

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
136. I am working to turn Texas blue
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jan 2014

We need to increase voter turnout if we want Wendy Davis to win. We need to vote.

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