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"You and I took advantage of certain things. I dont know about you, but I got some loans to go to college," Obama said.
But a self-described "self-reliance guy" like O'Reilly didn't need any government largess, thank you very much.
"Nah, I painted houses, I didnt get any," O'Reilly responded. "See, that's who I am."
Obama was quick to say that he painted houses in the summer, too.
"It still wasnt enough," he told O'Reilly.
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Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)neither did I. That was because, at least in California, most of my education was virtually FREE! Student loans back then were also at 3% interest. In 2014, tuitions are out of this world and student loans are at predatory interest rates. Back then college students could work and go to school and pay while they go. NONE of that is possible now. None of it. Rich, white, RWNJ's really need to be introduced to the 21st Century.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Back then, when Loffah man was living it, it was easy.
If tuition/fees had stayed the same relative to wages we wouldn't have a student debt problem.
It's like the old farts saying "I got along just fine on $3 an hour back in 1960, why can't these lazy moochers get by on double that?"
I had someone tell we almost exactly that, once. In the summer of 1974 I had a summer job working for the county, weighing crushed rock in a gravel quarry. One morning, the farmer from across the road wandered over and struck up a conversation. "I'll bet you're making $5.00 and hour, aren't ya?" he asked. Well, no I was making $2.35. "You kids are spoiled today," he said. "Back in the depression I got $1.00 a day, and was glad of it!" When I asked if he would work for that today, he began to sputter. "If you wouldn't work for it, today, why would you expect me too?"
He left rather quickly and didn't come back.
El_Johns
(1,805 posts)Middle-class parents could finance a college education then, + I had a student job.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)He went to Chaminade High School, a private Roman Catholic school. Did he pick up his tuition while there? Current day tuition at the school is $16K/yr which is more than most public universities.
Bill went to Marist College. Current tuition and fees is $31K/yr. That is a lot of houses to paint. Full price including room and board is $48K/yr.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Not that it would change the minds of any of his supporters, who are probably pissed that their boy went to an evil college and got one of them "educations".
El_Johns
(1,805 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)Hey Bill, was school $30,000 / year when you were young?
I got lucky and didn't have any student loans too, but I don't pretend it's because I'm some superior human being or better than everybody else. Get over yourself!
panader0
(25,816 posts)I'll bet our Prez wanted to deck him. Such restraint. I'm glad I missed it.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)3catwoman3
(24,083 posts)...President Obama's calm public demeanor. I hope he has a punching bag somewhere in the White House gym, with a few RWNJ faces on it, that he can punch the crap out of when he needs to let off some steam. A few well placed round house kicks would feel pretty damn good, too.
My husband is an alum of Chaminade, and is thoroughly disgusted by O'Reilly.
Shoulders of Giants
(370 posts)In my state, even tuition for a cheap instate university is $10,000 a year. If its not near by your house, you will need to pay much more to live there for room and board. You can go to a community college for the first two years (very taxpayer funded which means you're not "self reliant" and then your last two years at an instate university to save money. But even then, I don't think you can pay for your college entirely with a minimum wage (must lower than when he was a young adult adjusted for inflation) side job. And even then, its nearly impossible for a 18-22 to get a job in many areas. The unemployment rate at that age, especially for people of color, is insane. Comments like this prove O'reilly just doesn't get it. I don't see how anyone goes to college today without grants - loans - tax payer assistance, unless they have family support.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)$4k/yr in guaranteed scholarships (working on more) plus the opportunity for a 400 hr internship this summer (if she gets it). She currently works 10 hrs/wk at a minimum wage job (can't do more because of school commitments/academics), tries to give plasma (was rejected last two times). With the internship she will still need to come up with at least $15K for her first year. Without the internship this goes up to $18K. That money will come from me otherwise she would have to borrow it.
O'Reilly, who went to an exclusive Catholic prep school, does not have a clue.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)In 1968, presumably the year he started, Marist College charged $1350 tuition per year (not per semester) plus room and board for those students who lived on campus. Per their newsletter: http://library.marist.edu/archives/MHP_new/theCircle/pdfs/1968_12_19.pdf
Today, the tuition is $15,600 per semester - $32,000 per year. He'd have to paint a lot of houses to afford that.
kpete
(72,035 posts)and Loofah-man KNOWS better...
grrrrrrrr
peace, kp
frazzled
(18,402 posts)This is easy to look up. http://library.marist.edu/archives/MHP_new/theCircle/pdfs/1968_12_19.pdf
O'Reilly started college there in 1967. So the tuition for his first two years was lower. I began college a year later, in 1968, at NYU. I remember the tuition was either $3,000 or $3,600 a year (something in the threes), and I had a full academic tuition scholarship. It was still hard for my parents to pay for my living expenses, and I worked summers and throughout my college years, except for the year I spent abroad.
By the time Obama went to college, in 1979, I'm sure tuitions were already higher, though not as astronomically high as they became in the 1990s and beyond. And Harvard Law was never cheap.
How many lies has Bill been caught in ????
I am sick of the dog and pony show.
"Fox News" is not a reputable news source.
It should roll a disclaimer; for entertainment purposes only.
If we had any laws pertaining to the media in this country, they would be forced off the air. We can thank Bill Clinton for not having any.
Unfortunately mainstream media seems bound and determined to model their "news" after Fox.
Independent news is the only place where the facts can been found.
Benghazi, IRS, Benghazi, IRS, Benghazi, IRS.
The president KNEW that Benghazi would come up in the interview.
WHY didn't the president give the facts about all of the Embassy attacks under the Bush presidency ?
The president KNEW that the IRS scandal would come up.
WHY didn't the president give the facts about Democratic PACs being targeted by the IRS as well ?
Millions of US citizens watching and he squandered the chance to set the record straight.
The Republicans and the Tea Party would call him a liar, but maybe, just maybe one of them would do their own research and find out the facts.
Tom_Foolery
(4,691 posts)Why hasn't he discovered the cure for cancer instead of wasting his time flapping his lips all day about nothing?
tblue37
(65,502 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)and he is still going to be nothing but a dumb ass.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)had fewer resources to help him than O'Reilley's did.
Costs at KU have risen to the point where an in-state student pays about $10,000 per term When my son went here (1998-2002), it was $1100 per term. When I went (1972 graduate), it was about $300 per term.
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Also, when I went, any credits above the 12-credit "full time" fee came with no extra cost. I would take 22 to 28 credits per semester for the same tuition fee as someone taking just 12 credits! Now a student must pay about $300+ for every single credit. That means one extra 3-credt course adds about $900-$1000 to the price of a semester.
Because I could pile on the free credits, I graduated in fewer terms. Also, during my final semester, I took my last 22 credits as an undergraduate, plus I enrolled simultaneously in graduate school and took 6 credits toward my master's degree, thus reducing by one semester the number of terms I would have to spend in grad school. That semester of grad school did not add a single penny to the $300 cost of my 22-credit final term as an undergrad, which would have cost an added $300 if I had had to pay even the low $30 per credit rate for the 10 extra undergrad credits, plus another $180 for the 6 credits of grad school.
Now, $480 seems cheap, and relatively speaking it is, but $480 was worth a LOT more in 1972 than it is today, so it would be like tacking at least a couple of thousand, or perhaps a few thousand, extra onto the cost of college today.
My son graduated in December of 2002. He had a 50% scholarship, so his tuition costs were just $550 per year. Now, just 11 academic years later, his 50% obligation would be 10 times as much, at $5000+. If he bragged to a graduate of KU 10 years younger than himself about not needing to borrow money to pay for school, I would smack him upside the head, because if we had needed to come up with $5000 instead of $500 each year, we would have had to borrow it. And most kids are not getting 50% scholarships, because those are so rare in this country for people who are just excellent students. He got one because in addition to being an academic superstar, he was the son of 2 KU faculty members and the stepson of a third, and KU's commercial deal with the Coca Cola company included such scholarships for high achieving children of faculty members.
Bizarrely, in our country good athletes (in revenue sports mostly) get full-ride scholarships even if they are functionally illiterate and have no desire to attend college. For them, college serves as the minor leagues to get them into the pro sport of their choice. When my brilliant daughter was given a FULL scholarship to college, it was such a fluke for her to get such funding just for her extraordinary academic and extracurricular record that we all teased her that she was attending college on a "football scholarship."
Her achievements as an undergrad and also in med school, in both of her residencies, as a Fullbright Fellow, and as a double-boarded physician with TWO master's degrees (in public health and in social policy), as well as fluency in two foreign languages and high-level skills as a musician (4 instruments), a vocalist, and an artist (in several different media) would make most countries throw funding her way to take full advantage of her talents and her desire to contribute to society.
But despite graduating from her undergrad college with no debt at all, she now owes well over a quarter MILLION in loans for medical school. So instead of spending weekends working in clinics to provide care for those who cannot usually aafford decent medical care, which is what she *wants* to do, she spends them working 12-hour ER shifts to earn money to pay down her loans so that maybe she can someday afford to buy a house and have a family. At 32, her biological clock is ticking, so she needs to pay the loans down within just a few years to have any hope of having time to get pregnant with the 2 kids she'd like to have.
Other countries subsidize talented students who major in fields that their society needs. For example, I have international students on full scholarship from their countries who are majoring in various engineering fields, as well as many who are going into medical and health care fields--not just future doctors, but also nurses, respiratory therapists, geriatric care specialists, etc. Their societies know they need these smart students' talents and skills, so they subsidize their training to ensure that the students will be free to work for their country, not forced to work only for money to pay down enormous debts.
People complain about doctors' salaries, but they get out of med school with such huge debts that it takes years of working constantly, including moonlighting as my daughter does, to pay off those loans.
My daughter's day job is as the flight surgeon for Virgin Galactic. She earns a nice looking salary. But by the time she pays her taxes and the approximately $4000/month she must pay on her student loans, she has to budget carefully to get by, just like those of us who earn well under the $44,000 national mean (which skews high anyway because of ridiculous CEO and banker salaries, as well as the salaries of entertainment and sports stars).
blogslut
(38,021 posts)a first-class stamp cost a nickle, a gallon of gas was thirty-three cents, a new car was around 2500 bucks and a new home was twenty-five grand.
Johonny
(20,927 posts)This was a great interview if you live inside the FOX bubble. For those living outside it, it was a gigglefeast of stupid, insane and down right WTF.
Yes young people are lazy loan taking scumbags that could easily paint their way through college. That's just the reality all people under 30 faced... right. The whole idea is so off the wall funny that it only makes sense to the older audience of Billo that don't realize how heavily subsidized college was in "their days".
tjwash
(8,219 posts)And got call out on it on the air?
Oh yeah - He WAS!
Dude is full of shit and always will be.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)and not only did I get Pell grants and take out student loans (which were still low interest back then, fortunately), I still had to do work-study during the semester and worked various full-time jobs during the winter/summer breaks (everything from flipping burgers to working in a boatyard painting ships to being a reporter for my hometown newspaper).
In real tight spots, I even had to sell my plasma sometimes ($10 a pop) in order to have a little extra money to do laundry, etc.
I come from a poor family. My parents were not able to contribute to paying tuition at all, so it was on me to get any $$ I could get through FAFSA and any work I could find.
Without loans and grants, I would not have been able to go to college.
On a side note: I can't understand why someone who is apparently mystified by how the tides come in and go out (among other examples of idiocy and ignorance) gets to interview the President of the United States.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)show, while refusing so many other shows that would allow him to speak as well as explain, to an audience capable of understanding more than a misspelled bumper sticker.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)at Fox?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Why does he insist on fucking all the rest of us over in this insane pursuit of what is clearly and permanently unobtainable for him?
Dear President Obama: If exboyfil is right and you keep doing these things in order to "break through" to them, please stop it. It will never work, ever. Never, ever, in a million years. No how, no way, never.
They hate you. Completely and irrevocably. They hate you and everything you are. They hate everything you stand for and everyone that doesn't hate you as much as they hate you. They would kill their own pets and relatives just for the chance to demonstrate how much they hate you. If you proposed that apple pie should be the national pie of America, they would stop eating apple pie, and probably cherry too, just in case you were trying to fool them into eating cherry pie.
There are no circumstances, no conditions whatsoever that will ever change that, ever. So again, please stop fucking the sane people over trying to appease these lunatics, it cannot be done.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)while attending college full-time. His dad and I helped with what we could, and he still needed to take out loans.
O'Really? is full of crap.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Back then college didn't cost as much. Financial aide meant scholarships not loans.