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What does it say about our news media? (Original Post) Playinghardball Feb 2014 OP
Ouch! ZX86 Feb 2014 #1
90% of our media are Republican-owned and have become degenerate. As for the journalists Cal33 Feb 2014 #17
Yes! Both were great! n/t Duval Feb 2014 #21
IIRC The Daily Show was counted as... Wounded Bear Feb 2014 #2
During the 2000 election PADemD Feb 2014 #15
It's because they are a trustigious news source. Glassunion Feb 2014 #19
That's bad when a comedy show actually has more credibility doc03 Feb 2014 #29
That the so-called "free press" has actually been bought and paid for. Scuba Feb 2014 #3
That is an awesome and frightening chart. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #4
... Scuba Feb 2014 #5
I think I'll have to check her out...thanks BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #25
And this Chart Ccarmona Feb 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Duval Feb 2014 #22
That simple malaise Feb 2014 #36
Bookmarking just for this chart. Thanks. I think. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #39
Great Chart! KoKo Feb 2014 #48
It says: the MSM is liberal-free because even the "liberals" only play defense KurtNYC Feb 2014 #6
The MSM Is Now A Joke colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #7
""Democracy Now" online, with the great populist voice Amy Goodman" !! stuntcat Feb 2014 #8
Also Free Speech TV on Cable/Satellite mdbl Feb 2014 #30
"Democracy Now" is the place to go.. And, the International Channels KoKo Feb 2014 #49
I don't see them as a joke at all. stillwaiting Feb 2014 #9
. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #26
Unlike Pravda in the old Soviet Union... Frank Cannon Feb 2014 #38
It says we have no choice but to redefine what "America" is world wide wally Feb 2014 #10
The only one who can tell the truth to the king his jester. That's what we have now. freshwest Feb 2014 #11
That's because msm so-called journalists are the real jokes. lark Feb 2014 #12
Before the Soviet Union collapsed The Wizard Feb 2014 #13
Pravda and Isvetia icarusxat Feb 2014 #33
The liberal position is not allowed to be heard. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #14
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #18
When you don't have reporters/journalists Iliyah Feb 2014 #20
I actually know people who get their news from those guys, Cleita Feb 2014 #23
It says that our "both sides do it", scared shitless media has surrendered kairos12 Feb 2014 #24
What has always been said.. the US Cha Feb 2014 #27
Historic truth that should be placed in a time capsule. Octafish Feb 2014 #28
Speaking of awkward press conferences: the Very Best: Colbert during Bush press diner BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #35
Colbert has more integrity in his tiny toenail than most in that room put together. Octafish Feb 2014 #37
I remember how cool that was.. He was the first to speak out KoKo Feb 2014 #47
Manny on speed :-) BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #50
Definitely! KoKo Feb 2014 #51
BTW! This Video is a History of Bush Years and Push Back! KoKo Feb 2014 #52
That we've got a willingly BLIND, bought-out Corporate Media monopoly that does us great disservice! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #31
shit canned the Fairness Doctrine and reddread Feb 2014 #32
The Democratic Party efforts to re-institute the Fairness Doctrine are conspicuous by their absence. Scuba Feb 2014 #40
it is a real tell reddread Feb 2014 #41
The viewpoints about the mainstream polynomial Feb 2014 #34
America has a "News Media"? NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #42
Is this an example of the fact that... Android3.14 Feb 2014 #43
The joke is on us. countmyvote4real Feb 2014 #44
Add Maher and you're up to 99%. n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #45
It is funny, but very, very sad. awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #46
Lots of sad.... KoKo Feb 2014 #53
Yes...independent media is attacked relentlessly on this site nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #54

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
1. Ouch!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:08 PM
Feb 2014

Colbert's Presidential Correspondence performance and Stewart's appearance on Crossfire are classic moments in American journalism.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
17. 90% of our media are Republican-owned and have become degenerate. As for the journalists
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:25 PM
Feb 2014

who work for them, they've got to make a living. It would be too difficult
for most, who want to remain honest, to go into a different field -- both in
terms of time and cost. That's the way things are.

Democrats could try to become more competitive in the media field, but,
that, too, presents with difficulties.

Wounded Bear

(58,758 posts)
2. IIRC The Daily Show was counted as...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:17 PM
Feb 2014

the most trustworthy source of news info by young people many years ago.

I don't see any reason that would have changed.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
15. During the 2000 election
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

I received a call from a pollster, who asked where I got my political news. He gave the options of ABC, CBS, or NBC. He was shocked when I told him Indecision 2000 on The Daily Show.

doc03

(35,417 posts)
29. That's bad when a comedy show actually has more credibility
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:03 PM
Feb 2014

than any news report. Stewart really destroyed Fox on 2/4.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. ...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

“The heaviest restriction upon the freedom of public opinion is not the official censorship of a press, but the unofficial censorship by a press which exists not so much to express opinion as to manufacture it.”

Dorothy L. Sayers
1893-1957

British writer, essayist, playwright and translator.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
16. And this Chart
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

doesn't include the mass right-wing ownership of the radio waves. Why do you think Rush is on 650 stations, while Progressive radio registers barely a blip?

Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
6. It says: the MSM is liberal-free because even the "liberals" only play defense
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:52 PM
Feb 2014

TDS is just another way to watch Fox News.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
7. The MSM Is Now A Joke
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:07 PM
Feb 2014

It's all corporately owned. MSNBC is viewed as liberal but there are places it won't go (like for the most part the TPP) and they have someone like Scarborough on in the mornings.

The Daily Show and Colbert do a fine job of pointing out the stunning hypocrisy of both parties though mostly of the party most hypocritical and we know who that is.

"Democracy Now" online, with the great populist voice Amy Goodman and others is where you'll see way under reported stories of malfeasance and other corporate/guided class actions that are detrimental to the non gilded class.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
8. ""Democracy Now" online, with the great populist voice Amy Goodman" !!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

For years I was a member of two NPR's at once, but they are both so disappointing, I'm glad I dropped both of them.

We have an independent public station in DC that plays Democracy Now every day!

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
30. Also Free Speech TV on Cable/Satellite
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:13 PM
Feb 2014

FSTV has news from Democracy Now and Tomm Hartmann and entertainment/talk from Bill Press and Stephanie Miller (same morning lineup they had on Current.) No commercials, just PSA's. It's a nice change from the commercial laden crap of the other so-called news stations.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
49. "Democracy Now" is the place to go.. And, the International Channels
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:52 PM
Feb 2014

in English wherever you can find them. Most of them have "real discussion shows" with diversified participants unlike what we have to deal with here with the same "Talking Heads" year after year saying the same Talking Points over and over. It's no long a discussion with different viewpoints talking about issues...It's a Propaganda Machine.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
9. I don't see them as a joke at all.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:19 PM
Feb 2014

I think they have created an absolutely brilliant propaganda machine that drives the overall narrative superlatively.

Unfortunately, they have neutered the progressive/liberal consciousness of our country.

They create reality for the masses currently, and until that changes I'm afraid it will be much harder to get any understanding of the progressive mindset and the logic within progressive policy ideas.

We're going to have to get more Americans caring enough to even realize that they can't trust our corporate media first though. Citizenship does have its responsibilities. At least it should.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
38. Unlike Pravda in the old Soviet Union...
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:23 AM
Feb 2014

where the people KNEW their news media was bullshit, and they regularly made fun of it, people in this country hang on every word that falls from the lips of the pharmaceutical-company-funded idiot talking heads.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. The only one who can tell the truth to the king his jester. That's what we have now.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:46 PM
Feb 2014

With the over the top, craven apologies for speaking against rightist criminals, you see the courtiers must bow or be sent away to never work again. But the jester could give the king the truth and not lose his head. After all, he was only joking, and that is the only way to tell it when the king owns the media.

The much touted here at DU, MSNBC has a conservative owner. They're all very rich and conservative and they give the script to their lackeys daily to read to us. If they go off script, it's goodbye.

I'd call CNN the Crown News Network, FOX the Frothing Oligarch X-File and CBS the Crown's Bull Spreader if you get my drift.

Who's the King of the USA?

The Koch brothers and their ilk of paid off hustlers, goons and hucksters promoting their agenda. I give them credit, it's a very complex game they have paid to distract us.

lark

(23,182 posts)
12. That's because msm so-called journalists are the real jokes.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:51 PM
Feb 2014

Stewart and Colbert are the ones that inform a great many that would otherwise be ignorant of the crap our government and it's "daddy," the rich corporations, are doing.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
33. Pravda and Isvetia
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:02 AM
Feb 2014

news and the truth, they would say not much truth in the news and not much news in the truth...we are there now.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
14. The liberal position is not allowed to be heard.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

It's what happens in a corporate ruled nation.

"Our" media is no longer our media. Our media is comprised of primarily corporate misinformation suckage.

Same with "our" democracy. You can't have a viable democracy with a media like this.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
20. When you don't have reporters/journalists
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:34 PM
Feb 2014

that investigate and even read a report such as CBO and immediately tweets misinformation and call it gospel, that's a f-up media. RWers are doing their best to control all of the media. I'm pretty sure they are in the process of trying to control and compromise social media as well. Propaganda is not democracy. The freedoms that the RWers constantly shout actually means dictatorship.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
23. I actually know people who get their news from those guys,
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 07:04 PM
Feb 2014

otherwise they would be Fox News drones. I know. It's appalling. But at least they are getting some truth if not enough.

kairos12

(12,891 posts)
24. It says that our "both sides do it", scared shitless media has surrendered
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 07:05 PM
Feb 2014

any thought of unmasking Rethug talking points.

Cha

(297,898 posts)
27. What has always been said.. the US
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

mediawhore$$$$ are rampant with shit-carriers for goPropaganda machine.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. Historic truth that should be placed in a time capsule.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

Says more about the corrupt state than the corrupt press of today.

Remember the scripted press conference the night before the Iraq invasion? The press corpse all acted like zombies, asking questions in the order asked by Smirko. He even joked with "Stretch" about asking a question out of turn and then said, "Heh heh heh," and went on to kill a million innocent people for their oil and whatever else Wall Street warmongers and banksters could pilfer.

What says it all: He's not in prison. Don Siegelman is.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
35. Speaking of awkward press conferences: the Very Best: Colbert during Bush press diner
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:22 AM
Feb 2014


your post made me log in to add this to the thread. Damn you!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Colbert has more integrity in his tiny toenail than most in that room put together.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:16 AM
Feb 2014

He stood up to the liars and called them out on it.

Thank you for remembering, BelgianMadCow. Thanks for standing up to them, yourself!


KoKo

(84,711 posts)
47. I remember how cool that was.. He was the first to speak out
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:45 PM
Feb 2014

about the "Naked Emperor" at that speech at the Press Dinner... It was if a dam of silence had been broken.

It took so much courage for him to do that. It's amazing he survived it...but his supposedly "conservative" TV persona gave him enough cover that no one on the Right seemed to know how to handle what he said.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
52. BTW! This Video is a History of Bush Years and Push Back!
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:29 PM
Feb 2014

Well Worth the Watch for NEWBIE DU'ers and a REFRESHER for those of us who Lived through it all...and whose memories (under assault of some kind of PSTD...have catalogued this into memory...who need to BE AWAKENED.)

Just Saying! This is a Refreshing Watch back to the "Early Bush Days" and how the "Push Back" went. We tried to be HEROES....I think that we were in many respects.



 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
40. The Democratic Party efforts to re-institute the Fairness Doctrine are conspicuous by their absence.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:29 AM
Feb 2014
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
41. it is a real tell
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:49 AM
Feb 2014

The goal being absolute control by money, for money and of money.
and the results over the last 30 years can hardly be denied,
nor blamed on one senile President.

polynomial

(750 posts)
34. The viewpoints about the mainstream
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:26 AM
Feb 2014

Media are getting easier to understand how they misconstrue, misinterpret, or depending on the network and the time the new wave of journalism that offers light airy refined nonsense noise that mentally distort the electorate mind with arduous unclear deductive reporting.

From my view it is the creative leap actually a quantum journey with silence, sort of like both the Congress, the Senate, and the Judicial resort to sonic silent running super submarine silence pitching out that economic derivative that very few understand then listening to the return ping. But half America is running to lean not understanding what is going on, however very illustrated by the super bowl commercial follow up interviews feel more comprehensive than regular elections.

Snowden gave America a peek at the profiteering nova that so many completely reject, similarly as much as 911 was an inside job perpetrated by legions of the media. Ladies and gentlemen of America we are something like seventeen trillion dollars in deficit. An extraordinary number even the well-respected Ed Shultz talks about. His radio program that rants this deficit cannot be repaid so buy gold. Thom Hartmann with the same doom, that stock market crash is coming so buy gold.

We all need to reinforce our thought to recognize realize these long time players on the media that share memories of their tenure in broadcasting along with the longtime political persons that claim the best experience. Yet all of them brought America to where we are at right now. America is a huge playground for corruption in politics business and the military industrial complex that gives way to capitalism that has run amuck because very few are held accountable except for labor that is exploited for the trillions in backroom secret deals for the one percent.

Whoever believes that an xl pipeline is sacrosanct in blessings for good governance is in reason to compare a dolt. This is the pivotal moment President Obama should see the pipe line drawn can have a wrench at any point, off shore drilling already a natural disaster. Just as legions of political bandits through banking slip in faulty material then the told you so media rhetoric flies.

Chances are and knowing all the crazy economic hostage tit for tat going on right now the Republican tea party crazies have all kinds of economic IED’s planted in this TPP free trade agreement. The Republicans didn’t even blink and the media did not do a good job of shaming them. Better living through profiteering with all that as a gift from the mainstream media that should help America understand issues.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
42. America has a "News Media"?
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:27 AM
Feb 2014

Must be included in some cable package that I don't have.....all I seem to get is political propaganda and meaningless BS.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
43. Is this an example of the fact that...
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:50 PM
Feb 2014

90% of people who use statistics in online postings make them up?
Or was it 80%? I forget.

The big news media and small news media often deserve criticism, but really. 90 percent of all journalists? Give me a break. Bullshit is bullshit.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
53. Lots of sad....
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:32 PM
Feb 2014

I hear ya....

"WE SHALL OVERCOME......SOMEDAY"

Dems & Others...just gotta "Keep on Truckin'"...

The WORK never ends.....

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
54. Yes...independent media is attacked relentlessly on this site
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:34 PM
Feb 2014

To the point that you all can read all about it on CNN.

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