Woody Allen Poll (Redux)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	He did it
	4 (36%)
	He didn't do it
	5 (45%)
	I don't know
	2 (18%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Trash bin

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. .

[sibelian]

2. The THOUGHT of him doing it makes me feel so creepy that I just HAVE to believe that he did.

Because otherwise there's this weird sense in which I have to take responsibility for my own creepiness feelings and THAT'S NOT FAIR.

[groundloop]

4. I could swear this exact poll was already posted, or maybe it's just another flashback

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. What part of (Redux) don't you understand?/nt

[pintobean]

7. That OP was edited after 240 replies.

Seems like some kind of game.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024452374

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. My poll seems to be clearer, imho.

[pintobean]

10. Yes. To be clear

I wasn't trying to suggest that you might be playing games. I just thought that edit was really strange.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I think the fact "I don't know" is doing so well shows the collective wisdom of DU

I'm willing to entertain the possibility he did it but that's far away from saying he did.

[OilemFirchen]

13. It would seem that the "edit"...

indicates that the OP of the original "poll" might be a wee bit dissatisfied with its "results".

Quelle surprise.

[LostOne4Ever]

23. ...

Talk about trying to influence people.

It was supposed 2 B a poll, and now it's a link to an another anti-Allen thread.

I honestly don't know if he did it or not but the insults and tactics of some posters are really irritating the shit out of me.

"Oh this judge and jury know nothing but the one who agrees w/ me is totally fair and balanced! Oh this family member knows nothing, but the one that agrees with me is beyond reproach!"

All I want are unbiased facts and logic. Some here have shown me that I WON'T get that from them.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Where's the "Don't give a shit" option?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Here: DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.

This is fun!

[loli phabay]

12. the more i read about it the more i doubt he did it, there are to many avenues of reasonable

doubt for me to convict him of it. thats not to say that something could come up that would change my mind but i have doubts that there is anything out there that has not been gone over again and again. some may find him creepy but thats not what makes a paedophile.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I'm in the "I don't know" camp

Which is different from "he did it", "he didn't do it", and "reasonable doubt".

[loli phabay]

16. yup, ive moved from the dont know with the more info ive read to i dont think he did it

honestly in the end any opinion on the internets makes no difference anyway as its not as if an internet poll is going to have any bearing on criminal proceedings.

[MH1]

14. Where's "I don't know but I disapprove of the creep so will avoid his movies regardless"?

Justice doesn't always get it right, and we'll never know, 100%, but we do know that he cheated on his girlfriend with her daughter ... with a very large age difference between him and the daughter ... and at that point one is within reason to decide not to contribute to his future income from his movies. Just like I prefer to patronize one business over another because of how they treat their employees, for example, or even for how they treat their customers.

And having the creep factor out there due to what is known, he shouldn't really expect massive sympathy or credibility on the other count. Sure, if he was falsely accused it is an awful thing, but my god, the guy is rich and can go slink off the scene and live in comfort, unlike many other people who are falsely accused of crimes. So the attention paid to defending this guy's supposed innocence seems a tad misplaced to me. He escaped the law, whether guilty or not, but not society's approbation for his behavior. He has the money to deal with it, so tough shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I'm surprised by all the "didn't do its"/nt

.

[MineralMan]

18. Probably, there have been enough of these polls already.

That's my opinion.

[Gman]

19. After reading his LTE in the NY Times

And reading of all the different venues that said he didn't do it, he didn't do it.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1&referrer=

[pintobean]

20. kick

[BainsBane]

21. Court "finding of fact"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993

(Waiting for charges you are engaged in a witch hunt).

[MurrayDelph]

22. We don't know for a fact and never will

There are no objective witnesses if it did, and no way to disprove a negative if it didn't.

At worst, he was a child molester. At best, he was still kinda creepy for getting into a relationship with his baby-Momma's daughter.

[hrmjustin]

24. I vote I do not know but I find him to be creepy.

[TeeYiYi]

25. I think he's creepy too...

He's always bugged me since I first became aware of his work in the mid 70s.

I strongly suspect that he did it and I support Dylan Farrow; but what I 'suspect' and what I 'know' are two different things. This poll asks for an absolute and I can't give that.

TYY

[Agschmid]

26. Trash thread.

[RC]

27. The poll is too black and white.

Where are the items for the maybe's, probables, one way or the other?

[countryjake]

28. Jesus christ on a trailer hitch!

Can you explain to me what possible difference asking such a question about "Woody Allen" might make? If I had the ability to type that little trademark symbol, I'd insert one right next to his name.

You are reducing the very tragic and serious crime of child sexual abuse to nothing more than an opinion poll.

It is not a subject be taken lightly nor made a game of.

[rdharma]

29. Trash! nt

[liberalmuse]

30. None of us know.

What we do know:

1. Dylan is telling the truth as she knows it, and there is a strong possibility that it is THE truth.
2. Allen does not have as many sexual boundaries as much of the population, and has stated as such, and acted as such in the past. That does not make him a pedophile, but then again, it might.
3. Both Mia Farrow and Woody Allen are narcissistic, fucked up individuals.
4. This is a HUGE trigger for many sexual abuse survivors who have had their lives devastated because of not only being molested, but the aftermath, because there was no one who would believe them, or no one they could trust to tell, or they did tell and were made to feel like they were wrong for telling the truth.
5. This is a trigger for the very small minority of people who have been wrongly accused of sexual abuse, and have had their lives devastated because of it. This is an accusation you cannot and should not throw around, or pick up the ball and run with, without being completely sure it is the truth. (i.e.; The McMartin preschool case, for one.)
5. There are people with impassioned opinions on both sides, but not a single one of us, NO ONE knows what really happened.
6. Both Dylan Farrow's and Woody Allen's open letters were highly manipulative in the way they were written.