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Report: Michael Sams NFL Draft Stock Will Drop After Announcing He Is Gay
I dont think football is ready for (an openly gay player) just yet, an NFL player personnel assistant told Sports Illustrated. In the coming decade or two, its going to be acceptable, but at this point in time its still a mans-man game. To call somebody a (gay slur) is still so commonplace. Itd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room.
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Sam already wasnt going to be a first-round pick, despite his gaudy stats in the talented SEC. Now, hes expected to drop even further than his initial projection.
I just know with this going on this is going to drop him down,an NFL scout told Sports Illustrated. Theres no question about it. Its human nature. Do you want to be the team to quote-unquote break that barrier?
http://nesn.com/2014/02/report-michael-sams-nfl-draft-stock-will-drop-after-announcing-he-is-gay/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/10/1276445/-NFL-spokespeople-admit-publicly-the-NFL-will-pay-Sam-LESS-for-being-Gay
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UPDATE TO ADD:
But while initial reaction from players has been almost universally welcoming, the executives who will actual making decisions on drafting Sam have been disappointingly retrograde. Sports Illustrated has two separate articles speaking with 12 different NFL GMs, coaches, and scouts, and to a man, they say that being gay will either hurt Sam's draft stock, or cause him to not be drafted at all.
Also to a man, they refuse to put their names behind their comments.
http://deadspin.com/nfl-executives-say-the-league-isnt-ready-for-michael-s-1519784781?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)we need the help
The Packers can have him if the agree to trade Rodgers for Cutler and move to Alaska.
I wonder if his middle name is Will, if it is he will be a perfect linebacker because his name would be all three positions.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)in a 6th rounder as well.
Signing Cutler to a long-term deal seemed like a panic move, but as a Packers fan I'm OK with that
AAO
(3,300 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)The Packers are fine with their players unless they end up on the Police blotter.
Then they have one foot out the door.
Johnny Jolly paid his dues and I hope he returns, btw.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:10 PM - Edit history (1)
fair-mindedness -- are fine with an openly gay teammate, while grown-ass men in management are going to pieces over this.
Domonique Foxworth -- president of the NFLPA -- said it best: "I think we learned a lot about football players. And we will soon learn something about the NFL."
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)@DonteStallworth:
It takes more than courage what Michael Sam is doing. Best of luck to you brother. You have my support!
http://m.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/missouris-michael-sam-announces-he-is-gay-may-be-first-openly-gay-player-in-nfl/2014/02/09/0dd2fd4c-91ff-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html
Stallworth has changed a lot.
He killed a man when DUI. He learned a lot about himself and others.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)But some don't ever evolve no matter what happens.
mythology
(9,527 posts)the person he hit wasn't blameless. Running across the middle of the street with the sun behind you isn't the smartest way to cross the street in traffic.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)The pedestrian might be here today to argue his defense of such an egregious act as jaywalking in the sun.
But he's dead. So he can't.
musselmanm
(14 posts)The perpatrator of running across the street must have been a tea bagger, it comes with the stupid attached.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Columbia (and central MO as a whole) aren't known for being the most progressive types... If it was known during his playing days it could have been unpleasant at home and on the road...
Like that women's basketball star who only came out after leaving Baylor...
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Doesn't mean everyone is "officially" okay with it while the athlete is still associated with the program: http://tracking.si.com/2013/05/18/brittney-griner-gay-baylor/
Sgent
(5,857 posts)before the season started.
frylock
(34,825 posts)aggiesal
(8,914 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Students and fans in Mizzou territory are happy about this. I'm sure that there are some heads exploding in other parts of the state.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)gay rights, they will be crushed in the future. I live in a pretty conservative community, but most of the kids in my 10th grade daughter's classes are for gay marriage. I can believe that it has gotten a whole lot better on campus as well. Missouri could very easily go as Blue as Iowa in a few years and Iowa will become Massachusetts.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)are homophobic -- even though they're often conservative in other ways.
I credit TV for making a huge difference. Growing up with Ellen, and Will and Grace, Modern Family, etc., has made a huge difference -- even when you live in a red state.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Thank you, NFL executive, for saying that. Now I'll never watch your shitty sport.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)After all, if you can't withstand a little bit of head butting what type of man are you?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but returning to leather helmets might reduce the concussion problem. People would stop using their heads as a weapon.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)It looks like tackling is a lost art since people now seem to launch their body to take someone down vs. trying to wrap them up. Perhaps that's a by-product of helmets that technically allow more protection to the head.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)in 1976, we wore leather helmets with face guards. I don't know when they quit using them. The school should have sold them to the public. I would have bought one, sort of like when a city sells parking meters.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)What an idiotic comment. Like someone who happens to be gay can't play a violent and brutal sport on the level of the NFL...please.
Peace
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I think Sam has already proven that he's "man" enough to play the game.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)for the Ravens, my favorite team [GO RAVENS!] says: Sometimes the 12th man is a woman. The Ravens organization knows that women make up a large percentage of their fan base and act accordingly, with special events geared around the team and the sport just for women. But they don't talk down to their women fans either, something I appreciate. This NFL executive is way behind the times as far as women and football go.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)In addition, many connected to the NFL have been claiming that they are not against a gay player. We will find out who walk 's the wlk.
If every NFL team, or a majority of them, announce they are interested, it would be epic.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)feel safe from harm. What do they think? He's going to hit on a straight guy? Methinks it's the "straights" who fear they may have some "tendencies", know what I mean?
We've just gone through this with the Olympics, time to update the NFL.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)his arms will need to be long. He is too slow to play lb in the 3-4, so Packers fans he will not be selected by your team unless they switch defenses. Remember you Clay Matthews.
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kpete
(71,986 posts)I think you are right
so I changed it
sometimes when I cut & paste (which is what i do here) I ignore better judgement,
thanks for the h/t
peace to you
kp
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I thought it was me. Just went back and re-read, thought I made a mitake.
Good on you K!
Boom
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)If you can play, they will pay
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)hey fuckwit.....the tsumani is moving much much faster than that. If the NFL waits a decade or two to realize their bigotry, they may as well start selling off the fields and equipment right now, it won't be a viable institution in a decade with that type of mentality.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It's homophobia. This is not a surprise...and anyone who thinks Sam will have an easy time of this is delusional.
Lost_Count
(555 posts)... when there is someone just as good or almost as good and they don't carry that extra pressure.
Would it be nice to see them take it on? Sure. Is it realistic? I don't think so.
Guess we will see.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I have no idea what "extra pressure" you're talking about, because the players -- in a different generation than their idiot managers -- couldn't care less.
Lost_Count
(555 posts)... as seen in the variety of interviews already posted.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)he'll do just fine. Performance and ability will speak the loudest. If his "draft stock" really does drop, some team will get themselves a great player at a lower draft position.
When he is successful (and I believe he will be) the interesting thing to see will be how many players will feel its safe to come out. You know that, just statistically speaking, there currently should be one or more gay athletes in the NFL. Mr. Sam's courage and honesty should make a difference. I am a firm believer that all forms of prejudice are most susceptible to personal experience. The more diverse your circle of "normal" contacts become, the more prejudice of any nature tends to fade away-except for the most hard core of the hard core-who will eventually find themselves isolated in their bigotry.
We need to add a soap box smilie here-for some reason I woke up feeling self righteous this morning.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Person isn't even a named person - just some random person out there that has some sort of association to the NFL but we don't know exactly what that may be.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)based on the article that he's an assistant in a Player Personnel office of an NFL team, not a personal assistant to the front office manager or similar. The office of player personnel on most football teams is in charge of scouting, selecting, drafting, and otherwise dealing with football players, and reports to either the head coach or the general manager who make the ultimate decision.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)which is a far cry from an assistant in Player Personnel office. However the fact that this person is anonymous we'll never know and personally I think is irrelevant.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Compare and contrast that to Mr. Sam. Talk about manning up!
Sam already wasnt going to be a first-round pick, despite his gaudy stats in the talented SEC
Somehow I think there was already some kind of whisper campaign underway as something probably leaked from the Missouri locker room leading up to this.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Guy's got more guts than the anonymous GMs bad mouthing him. As for integrity, the GMs haven't a clue.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and I hope the Steelers get him.
7962
(11,841 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)to linebacker or safety. His height and size won't cut it at DE.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Of course
Cowards.
Timez Squarez
(262 posts)and make the NFL look bad when he gets an All-Pro selection but can't go because they're back in the Super Bowl and ready to remove another bad memory.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Mid-round picks are typically expected to wash out. Even if he falls to being undrafted, he will get plenty of opportunities in the NFL. We just won the Super Bowl on the talents of lower round and undrafted players.
If he's good enough, he's good enough and will play. The bottom 10 coaches in the league live in constant fear of being fired, and d-line is one of the top 3 most critical positions in the NFL. The margins between being fired and winning are so thin that any talent must be utilized for the sake of their jobs. Someone will give him his chance, gay or not.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)You have no problem continuing to perpetuate racist logos of your Washington DC franchise and are generally a league that needs to be taken down in an antitrust lawsuit.
FUCK THE NFL!!
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)"man`s-man game" ? it would seem those executives should look that up in the dictionary.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)that our of 1,700 professional football players currently on NFL rosters that there are not at least several gay players. Setting aside the fact that there are also likely a significant number of NFL fans who are gay (and around double the likelihood because men and women are NFL fans) what will happen when the guy who won the big game, or made the very nice charitable appearance or whose jersey is being worn in the stands comes out?
Stubbornly ignorant statements from the NFL players and leadership just makes bad business sense. Let alone what it really says for a league that already faces moral challenges amongst its ranks. I guess its no big deal to add overt homophobia to its list of common failings.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's the management that does.
Botany
(70,501 posts)@ 6'2" and 255 lbs* he is too small to play defensive line in the league every down ....
his future is @ linebacker or as a designated pass rusher.
Offensive lineman in the NFL are almost always 6'5" or taller and @ or above 300 lbs.
If the man can play and help a team he will be picked up w/out a doubt. Although, I don't know
if he will be picked in the first round.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)That is what is grade has been with most NFL scouts since last fall. He could move up or down a little based on his performance at the Indy Combine or during Mizzou Pro Day.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I think this will raise his stock. Someone is going to want to get the pub for this, and I hope it is the Steelers. They are the folks that brought us the Rooney Rule.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)How backward.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Chris Kluwe is an example of that. There will be reporters at Sam's locker at every game. The other players will likely resent the attention a rookie gets because he will likely be only on special teams if he plays at all.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)The media spends two fucking weeks covering the Superbowl (and that's just before the game is played). Marshawn Lynch didn't want to talk to the press and there was talk that the league would force him to do it. Superstar players have reporters camped out at their locker every game, and rookies that get drafted early on often get media attention even if they haven't done anything in the NFL yet.
Not to mention that this intense media scrutiny isn't a given. A year ago I would've predicted to hear a weekly update about Manti T'eo's NFL career on Sportscenter. I haven't heard a damn thing about him since he went to the NFL, even though his team got pretty far this year.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)his talent will outweigh the price and someone will take him.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, anybody that passed him over for being gay is fired, or at least humiliated for their homophobia in public.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Every time that team plays the media will make note of the "first openly gay player in the league." Every broadcast and every news conference will be centered around that. And the fear is that the media attention will cause a distraction for the rest of the team.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Sam will face a lot of questions at the NFL scouting combine next week. For the team that drafts him, the media in that city will revisit the story for its fans. In training camp, the local and national media will check in to see how he's being accepted and all of that....
Anyone who thinks that Sam will be the focus of attention every day isn't thinking about this clearly (and that includes some media members who should know better). There's only so many ways to say, "Michael Sam, the NFL's first openly gay player." Even if Sam decided to talk about being gay every day during the season (and he won't), it would get old by about Day 3. Maybe sooner. Beat writers will go write about the quarterback's accuracy issues or the cornerback's hamstring injury.
His teammates' acceptance of him will be a story, but they won't be dumb enough to harass Sam. They are aware how San Francisco 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver was criticized for anti-gay statements at the Super Bowl a year ago. They saw through Richie Incognito how acting unprofessionally around a teammate in the locker room can end up. NFL players have already shown plenty of support for Sam. The general attitude is they don't care about a guy's sexual preference as long as he can play. The ones that don't agree with him being gay aren't going to ruin their careers over it. Presumably, there won't be any angle there.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)As Leo Durocher put it... "I do not care if the guy is yellow or black, or if he has stripes like a fuckin' zebra. I'm the manager of this team, and I say he plays." That's the mentality of a franchise that's serious about winning.
I thought they only cared about winning. This announcement is silly. Why drop a player if he otherwise was considered a good enough player to be at whatever place on the list? Inane.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)They try to blame it on the players' potential reactions, but I think the front office and coaches are where the problem will lie.
Chris Kluwe already knows this. The Minnesota Viking have retained their bigoted asshole, Mike Priefer. I can just imagine what he might say to Sam.
I wish bigots and racists would go ahead and use those words: the "n" word and the "f" word (not fuck, in case you thought I meant that). They're just dying to.
beac
(9,992 posts)Um, yes? I think you WOULD want to be that team.
And if it's just "human nature" how come not of you cowardly turds are willing to put your name to your quotes?
But please proceed, NFL. Just one more reason that your tax-exempt status should be revoked STAT:
http://www.change.org/petitions/congress-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-national-football-league
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think the Pats are suddenly making noises - it'd work out well for them her in the land of Gerry Studds, Barney Frank, and the first legal gay marriages.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)He's the first. Being first will create a media firestorm at camp that will be a distraction that the coaches won't want to deal with. So coaches will ask GMs not to draft him. However, like water, draft picks tend to find their own level. If he drops well below where most scouts have him slotted, he'll get picked. GMs like value.
He'll be hazed. It's not bigotry; it's a tactic other players use to see if they can break you mentally. To do this, they use whatever is handy -- your color, your faith, your girlfriend's looks, your crappy car -- whatever they think will work, they'll use.
If I were a betting man, I'd bet Roger Goodell wants him drafted. Why? He wants to get this over with. After the first player comes out, it'll hardly be an issue for players 2-thru-infinity.
Note: there have been gay players in the NFL since there has been an NFL. Google "Jerry Smith". HOFer Charlie Taylor (who, AFAIK is straight) said that Washington was a comparatively gay-friendly team in those days, so Smith wasn't a complete secret.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Loaded Liberal Dem
(230 posts)Therefore, the word "man" isn't operative in the context, is it?
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...men, dontcha know. Chicken$h!t wussies is more like it if they won't even put thier names with their words.
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)Can He Play Football?
Wolf
Aquavit
(488 posts)well, ONE of the reasons anyway, that I can't be bothered to waste any time on the NFL.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)AnnieBW
(10,425 posts)for a bargain price.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Isn't that employment discrimination based on sexual preference?
Is that legal? I work with lots of gay people. They sure don't get treated that way at work, how the hell does the NFL get away with it?
Rhythm
(5,435 posts)ENDA has never passed (not even brought for a vote in the HoR), so it's on a state-by-state level at this point.
nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)A bunch of cowards wrap themselves in bigotry under the cloak of anonymity.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)He is too slow for an NFL LB. His best chance at an NFL career is as a special team player. Heath Farwell has done well for himself. He has a Super Bowl ring and more than $10 million in salary as an NFL special teams player specialist.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)college football player eligible for the NFL draft will be a projected high 1st round choice (01 - 05). I do not think that player's status as either heterosexual or homosexual will be relavant to the team's with thos picks. We can only hope.
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)It always seemed more like the NFL made news for its dog-fighting ring owners and wife-beaters. It seems that's the kind of "man's man" those GMs want - after all, didn't they let Michael Vick back in? But I guess there are lines that must not be crossed...
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Can't kick that can down the road forever. And as for the player that doesn't think he can shower at the same time as Sam, apparently for fear of being raped ala Sandusky, that is his problem not Sam's. Hate is a sickness and these people are just showing how sick they are.
TBF
(32,056 posts)I am a big football fan but I am having a hard time understanding why someone like Sam is undesirable while a hoodlum like Aaron Hernandez (with his gang tats not to mention the gang murders) is worth $40M.
This is mind-boggling.
TRoN33
(769 posts)Super Bowl Champions, Seattle, to draft the rated #2 defensive lineman.
VA_Jill
(9,966 posts)how all the NFL "spokesdudes" and the "agents" and whatever are insisting on remaining anonymous, but the players and former players are coming right on out and saying what they think. I also read somewhere that both Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin tweeted support for Sam, which is probably the first time they've agreed on anything in awhile. (Of course Incognito probably sees him as a new target, but WTF, he said something positive)
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Oh my God! The disease will spread!!!
Did some guy actually say "chemically imbalance"? a man's-man game?
Their fear of gayness is probably a fear of their own feelings for men, a suppressed self hatred of the possibility that they might loose control of their man's-man manliness to their suppressed desires. The idea that evolving away from a common place bigoted slur in the locker room will cause severe distress of some sort is absurd. What a poor little paradigm to muss up.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)I say, bring on the draft and let's see who is ready...there may be a huge crow sandwitch for Mr. NoName to chew on, let's see. I believe it boils down to Sam's performance and scouting on the field, not in the bedroom. This is a very dark day for the NFL (or the brain bashers league).
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I think that twelve old homophobes can have whatever opinion they want, but if just two owners realize that this kid's potential on the field outweighs any disruption he can create off of it, there will be a bidding war for him (yes, there are still bidding wars, they just occur behind closed doors before the draft takes place).
The first team to take the first openly gay player will also carry that prestige forward, and this pick might give that team first dibs on all of the best openly gay players who will follow for some time to come. At least one in twenty of the very best will be gay, meaning that the team that picks the first openly gay player might win a gay first-round draft pick every year. Another advantage that far outweighs any disruption.
For a very short time--a season or less--the player himself will have a small advantage over certain other players--those homophobes whose stupid beliefs cause them to underestimate the abilities of Mr. Sam.
And finally, in a league where the best four defenses go deep in the playoffs every year and very often to the Super Bowl (see e.g. Seattle, Baltimore), the team that can see beyond the homophobia and snap up the Defensive Player of the Year in the draft is going to be the team with the clearest vision of success.
That has a chance to work out well for this lad, rather than merely the team that picks him. The shitty teams with the high draft packs might be shitty for a reason: stupid people with stupid beliefs might well be behind those teams' shitty records, and those stupid teams might just be stupid enough to overlook this fellow because he's gay, which is very stupid indeed. That give Mr. Sam half a chance of landing on a good team, instead of the shittiest teams with the highest draft picks. Some of the greatest players in the game felt willing to risk their entire careers rather than go to the graveyard of a bad team--John Elway, for example. This kid might avoid that simply because of his announcement, which would be great for him and which would make his courage pay off for him nearly at once.
I hope it works out for him. It's not enough to be the greatest in the NFL, one also has to survive long enough to stay great. No telling which way this guy is going to go, but he's starting off like the greatest. (I wonder what Ray Lewis thinks of this fellow?)
rocktivity
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...the...NFL GMs, coaches, and scouts...who will actually make decisions on drafting Sam...refuse to put their names behind their comments."Can't get more manly than that. Yet the problem is that they consider Sam to be the unmanly one.
rocktivity