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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLooking back. Dean said his 50 State Strategy worked very well in 2010...for the GOP.
The Democrats quit using it, shoved Howard out the door so to speak...they stopped it at once after 2008. Many of us noted then that the Republicans embraced it...they just were using a different message.
To those who say this strategy elected so many Blue Dogs, I say that's because it was not done the way it was intended.
Howard Dean used to say that Democrats needed to go to people's doors in red states and tell them what Democrats really were about. He always said we could win that way. And we did, in 2006 and 2008. He said we had to sound like Democrats, tell them what we believed in. Didn't happen.
Trouble is in 2010 they didn't sound like Democrats. In fact many lost because they sounded very much like the Republicans they were running against. Instead of standing up and saying what Democrats traditionally believed there was too much of the DLC/Third Way/PPI rhetoric. There was not a definitive choice in many cases. They all sounded too much alike in policy.
Here is an interview from 2010. Ari Berman of Herding Donkeys is speaking to and about Howard Dean.
Howard Dean says 50 State Strategy worked well for the GOP in 2010.
Former Governor Howard Dean says Tea Party activists took a cue from his 2004 campaign playbook to score major victories for Republicans in the 2010 campaign. Dean made the comparison on VPR's Vermont Edition with Ari Berman, author of the book Herding Donkeys: The Fight to Rebuild the Democratic Party and Reshape American Politics.
Dean said during the 2004 presidential campaign he connected with huge numbers of Democrats throughout the U.S. who felt the Democratic Party in Washington had ignored them, a feeling similar to that of some disaffected Republican voters in 2010. Dean said the highest compliment to his so-called "50-State Strategy" was that the Republicans used it effectively against the Democrats in 2010.
Meanwhile the centrist think tanks were spouting nonsense. More from Jon Cowan...
How the Democrats can stay relevant
Returns show, once again, that the voters who drive elections are self-identified moderates and independents, and largely middle class. They ran for the hills this cycle.
The stampede was fueled not only by anxieties over a troubled economy but by independents continued search for a political party that governs from the center. After rejecting Sen. John McCain and the Bush legacy as too right wing, and supporting Obama by 8 points, these restless Independents voted against Democratic gubernatorial candidates by more than 30 points in 2009. And they continued to flee from Democrats yesterday.
To woo them back, reclaim the center and assure electoral and governing relevance in 2012 and beyond, Democrats must make a big change: become the economic growth party. They must shift from being a party that seeks an expanded safety net to one obsessed about increasing the economic pie. This means ditching economic populism, offering robust pro-growth policies and embracing fiscal responsibility. It also means taking on some sacred cows like downsizing federal employee pensions.
Ditch populism? Stop being obsessed about safety nets? Taking on "sacred cows" like downsizing pensions?
Sounds just like Republican policy to me...extreme Republican policy.
These "think tanks" were developed and funded by corporate politicians...but they surely worked effectively to take our party way to the right. They had money and power behind them.
I don't think this so-called centrism will be so effective anymore. People are catching on as they fear the future of this country.
In this case Howard Dean was right once again. We need to stand up and let them know a Democratic party that stands for the people and what is right for them.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... while chasing Jon Cowan's mythical "moderates"?
I can guarantee Jon there's nobody in Wisconsin in this category, but half of us didn't bother to vote last time around.
Just because those folks didn't vote last time doesn't mean we can't motivate them to vote this fall. We just need to give them a reason they can appreciate. "Not the Republican" is not that reason.
Meanwhile, we move further right chasing mythical moderates and sending everyone a message that the right is where all the good ideas are, despite vast mountains of evidence to the contrary.
If I were a cynical man, I might suspect our Party leaders are trying to throw elections.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)that to me means beyond party politics, which would be a devastating thing to this country.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)They want to win elections. But they sure as hell don't want to win elections with a majority composed of people who would expect them to do Democrat-type stuff with their power, when they win, rather than the Reaganite type backstabbing shit they prefer to do.
So, as President Obama inadvertently admitted, they focus their struggle with the Republicans between the 40 yd lines, fighting over who gets to do the bidding of the 1% (and who gets to receive the largest cash benefits derived thereby) and they studiously ignore the interests of the vast majority of the country. Meanwhile, Rome is burning.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Bandit
(21,475 posts)Democrats need to wake up and start advocating for it ASAP.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I think our politicians are too busy trying to say things to please their big money political donors,
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)But I fear the Rahm Emanuel wing of the party has other plans.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Now some are talking out like they should. Hope they keep it up.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Nothing would make me happier. I want November to be a blow out.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Until party infrastructure is rebuilt in those districts, progressives don't stand a chance and party infrastructure won't be rebuilt without wins.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)If the candidates would stand for the things people need and want, and do so firmly.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)What people in those districts currently want is what Republicans sell.
We need to make them realize that they want what we sell, and that won't happen without a sales force.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)But the candidates in those areas have not been offering it strongly enough.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)one thing is that - the media seems to sell the Republican message
and the media makes it all about money too.
The media will just start reporting "such and such candidate is probably gonna win" and pount THAT message daily, making it partly self-fulfilling.
Maybe it is just Kansas, but people like Sam Brownback did not even sell a message or a policy. Brownback's TV ads were not about the tax cuts he would later push after he got elected. He ran TV ads about "how to mail in a ballot".
Congresswoman Lynn Jenkins ran ads about how "America has tough problems, but working together we can solve them." She made no mention of HOW we were gonna solve them. She sold no policy that the voting public bought.
But she had the luxury of not having a "serious" opponent. Which means, she wasn't running against anybody rich, famous, or able to raise a ton of cash.
Even Nancy Boyda, a Democrat who won once in this district in three tries (losing to Jenkins as an incumbent). One of the secrets of her success was that she spent something like $300,000 of her own money.
It's not so much that the people want what the Republicans are selling, even in Kansas, but that Republicans have the money to hire more salespeople.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But it also fills DU with rage when they do what they promised to do to their electorate to get elected.
The most dangerous mistake you can make as an activist is to convince yourself there's an alleged silent majority that is with you, all evidence to the contrary.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We tried that way since the late 80s. Look where we are now. A party that is fearful of offending extremist Republicans.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Until that point all we are is a cautionary tale.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)FloriTexan
(838 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)We do need to build momentum and start retaking the house and senate senates and governor-ships that we lost.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Ironically it was the other party that appreciated the success of Dean's strategy.
I think it will be especially hard to do in Florida, I really do. Florida democrats are so deeply into the strategy of the centrist think tanks....it is will take years to get them out from under.
They have made sure truly progressives get out of races by whatever means necessary. Time after time I have seen it happen.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Well you just have to keep pushing. An increase in minorities should help as they are less likely to put up with the centrists who won't support things like immigration reform. Every state has their nutty politicians, it just seems like Florida and Texas have too many.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)The 50 state strategy meant having paid party workers in all 50 states and funding races that had previously been written off.
Because we did that under Dean (for that matter, we still fund all of the state parties, so the literal meaning of the strategy is still in force) we elected a ton of moderate-to-conservative Democrats in 2006 and 2008. They were mostly wiped out in 2010 -- wide victories tend to be shallow.
A fifty state strategy necessarily moves the national party to the right.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Assuming we have to be like the GOP, except nicer about it, doesn't get us anywhere.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Dean was a moderate governor of a moderate state, and his plan involved taking money, time, and leadership out of the liberal urban centers of the party and giving them to more moderate, rural parts of the party. Is this really what people want?
Laelth
(32,017 posts)http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
-Laelth