Female Employee, 39, Fatally Shot At Domino’s Pizza In San Bernardino

[cui bono]

Saw this on the local news and they had said that the murderer left and got his gun then came back and killed her. Don't see anything about him having left and come back in this article.

SAN BERNARDINO (CBSLA.com) — A female employee was fatally shot Wednesday at a Domino’s Pizza restaurant in San Bernardino.

...

San Bernardino Police Lieutenant Mike Madden says the woman and a man believed to be her ex-boyfriend got into an argument, the man pulled a handgun and shot the woman several times, reported KNX 1070′s Mike Landa.

The woman, who was the manager of the business, was pronounced dead at a local hospital.

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Police told Weingold there was evidence of a violent fight both inside and outside the store.

The suspect — now identified as 55-year-old Pedro Enrique Duquesne of San Bernardino — fled the scene. He has been taken into custody.

Police said Duquesne admitted to the murder. No weapon was found.

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“She was in a puddle of blood,” Edmond said, “she was trying to fight for her life, gasping for air. That’s somebody’s mom, or auntie or grandmother. You know, it was sad.

KCAL9′s Stacey Butler said Kantun is the mother of three grown children.

She spoke to many of Kantun’s friends who said she feared her boyfriend would get violent if and when she tried to leave him.

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“He was a jealous boyfriend. There had been problems in the past. I think she was trying to leave him,” said another friend, “and he couldn’t deal with it. And this is how he dealt with it.”

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/02/12/female-employee-fatally-shot-at-dominos-pizza-store-in-san-bernardino/

[30cal]

1. I so wish there was a way to deal with this kind of thing

Those last two sentences happen to so many woman.
She can tell the police she is afraid and the boyfriend , husband might turn violent
but the police won't help until he does.

sometimes it's too late

[Recursion]

4. I keep coming back to confiscating guns from targets of restraining orders

But I can't think of a feasible way to actually do that.

[SheilaT]

15. I keep on saying we really should confiscate all guns.

That's not a very popular idea around here.

Apparently, this sort of thing is completely acceptable, but taking the guns away isn't.

[BrotherIvan]

16. ^^This!^^

More blood for the tree.

[Recursion]

17. You get a heart for that

I'm actually on the "other side" of gun control from you but I think you said that pretty much perfectly. We can have regular civilian access to guns, or we can have a lower gun death rate. There's really not a middle path that I see.

[SheilaT]

46. Thank you very much for the heart, especially

if we are on different sides from each other.

I think a lot of what makes me so angry about guns is that every time there's some sort of senseless gun murder -- which is every single day -- there's a lot of hand-wringing and pious statements about not letting bad people get guns. But the very presence of guns is what's so dangerous and fatal.

Other countries manage just fine with strict gun limits. Australia more or less took them away after that mass shooting in 1996, and oddly enough gun deaths have dropped dramatically in that country. So why are all these killings acceptable here?

[Recursion]

48. I wish I knew

I'm not morally against permitting, even restrictive permitting, I just don't see a realistic way to get from here to there.

[awoke_in_2003]

18. and if we must have our precious guns...

they should all be registered. Want to sell it? Then you have to do it through the state. If I sell a car, whose main purpose is not to kill someone, I must go to the title office and get the title switched. It is a matter of public record. Of course, we cannot do that with our Precious.

[Jenoch]

23. What do ypu think the political

ramifications of your plan would be?

[Savannahmann]

28. More people would be alive to vote?

[Jenoch]

44. While that would be a good thing, it would have little impact on the outcome of elections.

[SheilaT]

47. How about more people alive period?

[Jenoch]

65. Of course that would be a good thing

but there would not be Democrats in control of congress and the White House.

[SheilaT]

69. I'm not sure I'm completely following you.

Are you suggesting that if we got rid of guns, and so more people would be alive, meaning not killed by guns, then there would be even more people voting Republican?

Of course, if your point is that there would be this huge backlash against banning guns resulting in huge Republican majorities, it's possible you are right. I prefer to think not, but that may be the case. I happen to think that this would be a much better country if fewer people -- better yet no people -- died from guns. And a better country would also vote more for Democrats, yes?

[Jenoch]

70. I also believe that our country would be better with

fewer gun homicides.

Gun homicide rates have been falling.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

I am in favor of lower gun honicide rates. I am opposed to more AWB laws that do nothing to reduce gun violence but do reduce Democrats from winning elections.

[SheilaT]

71. You don't think limiting assault weapons is a good idea?

[ManiacJoe]

72. What makes "assault weapons" special that

they need more restrictions than other guns?

[friendly_iconoclast]

73. Especially since they are actually *underrepresented* in crime statistics?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

[Jenoch]

74. How often are 'assault weapons' used in crime?

Rifles of any kind are infrequently used in crime. Most often it is handguns that are used by criminals.

[SheilaT]

75. It was another poster who brought up assault weapons.

Keep in mind that I'm in favor of taking away all guns.

To jump all over one kind of gun totally misses the point. Guns kill. People with guns kill. Countries that don't allow just anyone to have a gun have much, much lower homicide rates than this country does. How bizarre is that?

Oh, and at least one country -- Australia -- basically got rid of guns after a mass shooting. So it can be done.

This passive acceptance of our horrendous murder/homicide/suicide rate is completely unacceptable to me. I just want to say to all of you who defend this country's gun policy: get back to me when someone you love has been killed with a gun and repeat that guns are completely okay, and you think that the death of your loved one is truly an acceptable price to pay.

I don't happen to agree.

[Jenoch]

77. What is your plan to confiscate all of the guns currantly in curculation in the U.S.?

[SheilaT]

79. Maybe do what the right wing thinks

Obama is planning and just go door to door?

I do understand it's extremely unlikely to happen, but isn't it interesting that Australia was able to do it and cut down on mass shootings. And no doubt the many random, individual murders such as the one that started this entire thread.

[Jenoch]

80. In order to do as you suggest

and go door to door and do a gun buy back like Austrailia did the first thing that would need to happen is amending the constitution. How do you think would go?

[SheilaT]

81. Meanwhile how many people die each

day from guns? That's okay, apparently.

Look. I know that the gun apologists will never be willing to give up their guns. They either never lose a loved one to guns, or they honestly think it's a reasonable price to pay. While I've never lost someone that way, I still don't think it's a reasonable price to pay. Meanwhile, the right wing, and even a lot of otherwise rational gun owners seem to think that Obama is determined to take all their guns away. I'm suggesting they should get what they think is going to happen.

Understand, I know perfectly well Obama isn't planning to take their guns away. I just don't get the continued justification for them in the face of all those who die every day. Not to mention those who are merely maimed and disfigured.

[Jenoch]

82. Look. I am not opppsed to laws that

will reduce gun crime. I support UBC, safe gun storage laws. and incrrased penalties for straw purchases. I think it is unreasobable to suggest making all gun ownership against the law. Those statements do nothing to help reduce gun violence and in fact make it more difficult to get laws passed that would help to reduce gun violence.

[Adrahil]

38. Murdering someone isn't acceptable....

But we have hundreds of millions of guns in this country. How would confiscate them?. And how would you square that with the 2A? I realize this is an academic argument. Confiscation will not happen anytime soon, and shouldn't IMO.

[Ghost in the Machine]

58. "Apparently, this sort of thing is completely acceptable, but taking the guns away isn't." WRONG!!

Cold blooded MURDER is NEVER acceptable, period! I do believe there are acceptable cases of self defense, as are some acceptable cases of Stand Your Ground and/or Castle Doctrine Laws.

I can already tell that you're an anti-gunner, but let's just pretend for a few minutes that you aren't, you have a few guns in the house, and put yourself in this situation:

You're in your home, it's the middle of the night and you hear some people in your house. Suddenly two figures appear at your bedroom doorway and they shoot at you and your husband while you are still laying in bed. Suppose you're hit, but not fatally. Now you hear them heading toward the bedrooms where your daughters are sleeping. You hear them start to scream, but then the screams get muffled out because the home invaders have covered their mouths.

During all this, your husband is able to make it to where he keeps a pistol and manages to conceal it on his person. Meanwhile, the home invaders have tied your daughters up and dragged them to the living room. Now you hear them coming back for you! They're talking about dragging you and your husband out there, making him watch as they rape and kill you and your daughters, then killing him. Would you rather live with the fact that your husband blew them both away when they appeared back in your doorway, or would you rather die knowing your husband had him watch them rape and kill you and your daughters, then he got killed, too?

Look up the case of Dr. William Petit Jr. in Connecticut. He didn't have a gun, but had to watch his wife, 17 y/o daughter and 11 y/o daughter be repeatedly raped, then set on fire while still alive, before he escaped.

I'm sorry, but my family, nor I, will EVER be *victims*, as long as I am able to do something to stop it and keep from becoming another statistic in a Coroner's book.

Which one of YOUR rights are YOU willing to give up, since you seem to take one of MY rights away??

Ghost

[IveWornAHundredPants]

63. And people accuse gun control proponents of using emotion-based arguments.

[Ghost in the Machine]

68. And just what, exactly, makes you think I'm against gun control?? I *AM* against total bans and

confiscation, but I see no need for someone to to be deer hunting with an AK-47 with a 30 round magazine either. I don't believe you need a bazooka or a gatling gun for hunting either. I believe in "one shot, one kill", which means you have a clean, clear shot on what you're hunting, and you put it down with the minimal amount of suffering to the animal. You also eat what you shoot. I have found deer where someone shot it and just cut the head off, or even just the skull plate with antlers, and left the meat to rot. I find that despicable, and would turn someone in if I caught them doing it. I've turned in spot-lighters and poachers before, and have no qualms about doing it again.

As for your "emotion based" comment, you have to take into account that it is also FACT based. There are plenty of instances where a homeowner with a weapon has saved his/her family from certain death at the hands of armed home invaders. It's the reality of the world we live in today.

Now *please* point out where, exactly, that my post says I am anti gun control, or apologize and admit you were wrong.

Just because I refuse to let myself or my family be victims, and I support the 2nd Amendment, doesn't mean I don't support gun control measures, does it?

Ghost

[Iggo]

64. .

[onehandle]

2. Guns are the best conflict resolution devices. nt

[Egnever]

5. Yes the pizza is that freaking bad!

[cui bono]

6. Bad form.

[Egnever]

7. Whatever mom.

[rufus dog]

19. A tad over the top

The proper thing to do is self delete your original. Just my opinion.

[Quantess]

33. Come on. The comment wasn't that bad.

He took the opportunity to take a swipe at a sleazeball pizza corporation, and why not, since this is a political website. That's my opinion.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. Because the shooting was domestic violence, an attack on an individual not on the

Corporation. Pretty freaking obvious, the 'joke' as told is about shooting one's partner over a bad meal. Ugly.

[Quantess]

43. Yes, I did understand that. I just didn't think it was worth chiding a DUer over. (no text)

Just idle finger wagging, is what it amounts to, in this particular case.

[rufus dog]

57. There was a separate thread on this specific post

Did I think it was funny, no. Was it over the top offensive to me, no. That being said, if i was attempting to be humorous and was offensive instead, I would go back and delete the offensive comment.

It is part of being a functioning member of a community.

Again, my suggestion to the poster, not chiding.

[lostincalifornia]

26. They are trying to impress upon you that when someone is killed it isn't funny

[tavernier]

50. Both your post and your rude reply -

"whatever" - give me a big clue as to both your age and IQ. Wondering what your supervisor at McDonald's thinks about you going online while at work?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

52. now. that is funny. thanks.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

20. Is there something wrong with you?

Agree with the suggestion to delete.

[LeftyMom]

21. My ex tried to kill me twice, so maybe I'm a little more sensitive to this than most,

but a woman was just at her job minding her own business when her crazy ex came in, made a goddamn scene and then killed her. Three people lost their mom, not in a disease or an accident but at the hand of somebody they probably loved and thought of as family.

And you think it's a joke.

People are asking you to self-delete, but I'm going to ask you not to. I want everybody to know who you are.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

22. Maybe you're right on the delete.

I dont know the poster.

[rufus dog]

24. Possibly

But the person could at least display a little character and take the proper course and delete.

[alp227]

27. And YOU are a lot worse.

Delete your motherfucking post. Since when did DU allow this kind of trash talk in threads about violent crime? I am no fan of chain pizza but this is not the time to be a food critic!

[Le Taz Hot]

29. It takes someone extra special to make a "joke"

out of domestic violence.

Don't bother to reply, I won't be able to see it.

[HappyMe]

30. I appreciate dark humor as much as the next person.

But a story about a murder victim isn't really a thing to joke about.

[Richardo]

31. ...and yet if hypothetically I were to refer to this poster as an insensitive douchebag

THIS is the post that would be hidden.

[countryjake]

34. Good edit!

And you are so right!

[Richardo]

35. :-)

[Blue_Tires]

45. +1

[Brigid]

32. Not funny.

[KG]

36. guess I'm gonna whip this out.

[NM_Birder]

56. Now THAT is funny !

[Brickbat]

49. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[840high]

51. Shame on you.

[NM_Birder]

55. Your sense of humor

was apparently not pre-approved, I however am still chuckling

No harsh jokes allowed unless it is cast upon a target on the collective agreed upon list of people,...then it's Ok and funny.

[Hekate]

59. A victim of domestic violence was minding her own business at work and was murdered

I'm laughing so hard I could just die.

[NM_Birder]

60. NSA agent walks intao a bar and says........

"I heard that one"

[Hekate]

62. "A little birder told me"

[NM_Birder]

66. yeah right....when pigs fly :)

[Logical]

67. Wow, learned a lot about you on that idiotic joke, sick! nt

[Scootaloo]

76. And you learned something about DU

Jury's got no problem with that.

[Logical]

78. Jury system is a joke. Admins were better! nt

[Cha]

8. That is so tragic.. the poor woman was just trying

to get away.. and then you have a stpuid asshole with a gun throwing away both of their lives.

Poor thing

[mimi85]

9. Really.

And people here are making fun of the pizza? Rather sick, imo.

[Cha]

10. It's so real, mimi.. it could happen to anyone..

it doesn't have to be an ex-boyfriend.. it could be any trigger-happy asshole with a gun.

[mimi85]

12. So true, sadly enough.

I still don't think making jokes about it is funny at all. Although sometimes I guess a sense of humor can get you through the day. This isn't one of them however. Especially if you've lost loved ones to guns like I have.

[cui bono]

13. I know, seriously.

So sorry for your loss.

Too bad you have to see such immature posts such as that.

[Cha]

14. ..

Oh, I'm so sorry, mimi!

No, there's nothing funny about it.

[billh58]

11. Yet another permanent solution

to a temporary problem at the end of an NRA/ALEC/Koch Brothers enabled gun -- the easy-to-obtain weapon of choice for murderers nationwide.

[struggle4progress]

25. ... Duquesne dropped her off at work on Wednesday, police believe. But the friction continued.

“They had an argument on the phone even after he dropped her off,” Robertson said. “And he ended up driving back over there — armed — and confronted her and shot her ...

SAN BERNARDINO: Suspect arrested in pizzeria slaying (UPDATE)
February 12, 2014 by Richard Brooks

[In_The_Wind]

39. Exactly what did he expect after he went home to bring back a loaded gun?

“He just got angry and mad and went to her work,” said Sgt. Gary Robertson. “He didn’t mean to kill her (he told police). That’s just what happened.”

[struggle4progress]

40. "If I pop two or three slugs into her, she'll finally realize how very much I love her"?

I dunno: why ask me? I frequently fail to understand other people's thought processes

A moment of anger can ruin your whole life
-- Vegetable Root Talks (Wayfarer Back to Beginnings)

[In_The_Wind]

42. That musta been exactly what he was thinking.

(I didn't expect you to have an answer ... cause you are too sane to think like that nut-job.)

yes, indeed ... A moment of anger can ruin your whole life

[KG]

37. yay, gunz!

[Chorophyll]

53. Yep. Without them, killing would be so much more difficult,

and require much more thought.

[AtheistCrusader]

54. 'If I can't have you, no one can' mentality strikes again.

Sick, sick shit.

[Liberal_in_LA]

61. sad

sad