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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:09 PM Feb 2014

It’s Over: Gay Marriage Can’t Lose in the Courts

A perfect record for equality post-Windsor.

By David S. Cohen and Dahlia Lithwick


“We made a commitment to each other in our love and lives, and now had the legal commitment, called marriage, to match. Isn't that what marriage is? ... I have lived long enough now to see big changes. The older generation's fears and prejudices have given way, and today's young people realize that if someone loves someone they have a right to marry. Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don't think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the ‘wrong kind of person’ for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people's religious beliefs over others. ... I support the freedom to marry for all. That's what Loving, and loving, are all about.” — Mildred Loving, Loving for All"


Last night, only days after hearing oral arguments in the case, a Virginia federal judge struck down the state ban on same-sex marriage, writing unequivocally that “tradition is revered in the Commonwealth, and often rightly so. However, tradition alone cannot justify denying same-sex couples the right to marry any more than it could justify Virginia’s ban on interracial marriage.” The judge opened her opinion with the quote, above, from Mildred Loving, the plaintiff in the 1967 challenge to Virginia’s ban on interracial marriage. She thus joined a unanimous and ever-expanding collection of federal judges who have chosen to answer the question left up in the air by the Supreme Court last Spring: Did the Windsor decision—striking down the federal Defense of Marriage Act—pretty much strike down gay-marriage bans as well?

It didn’t have to play out this way. Once the elation of victory died down following the court’s Windsor decision in June, everyone found themselves asking the same question—what does this case mean for all of the other cases raising questions about gay and lesbian equality? The answer wasn’t 100 percent clear at the time. As he’s done in the past, Justice Anthony Kennedy authored a decision producing sweeping results, but rooted it in less than crystal clear reasoning. This was because Windsor has two independent parts that barely speak to one another.

The first part is all about federalism, not equality. Kennedy painstakingly explained that the federal Defense of Marriage Act offended basic principles of states’ rights because, historically, the states have always defined marriage and the federal government just goes along for the ride. By defining marriage for the federal government as only between a man and a woman, DOMA had infringed on the sovereignty of the states that define marriage otherwise, like New York did in Windsor, by including two women in its definition of marriage.

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Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
1. Though tempting, it is best not to get ahead of ourselves.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:49 PM
Feb 2014

It is fun to watch state after state fall, but there is still much work and there will be much backlash.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
3. That's the hope, but honestly, I fear there will be violence.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:03 PM
Feb 2014

The extremists will become more violent as they realize the tide is turning.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
5. Yep, I agree. While I hope for nonviolence,
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:56 PM
Feb 2014

I fear the worst. Desperate acts by desperate people are not a sight to behold.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. In historical terms, I agree, it's over.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:05 PM
Feb 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. It's another big win for equality. Our LGBT friends are just coming out all over the place. NFL.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 05:16 PM
Feb 2014

Yes. Who would have thought? Seems like it has gained steam, too. Once a few of the Cards in the House of Cards fall away, the House can't stand much longer. It will likely be a decade before it's equivalent to racial inequality, which is still there, but no longer appropriate in the general public discourse.

In other words, it won't be cool to use gay slurs because people will no longer laugh....even in discomfort. They'll look at you like you belched or something.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
8. This is how change happens. Once case at a time, one circuit at a time, one state at a time.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 06:31 PM
Feb 2014

A lot of folks want someone to wave their magic wand and make equality happen overnight. It ain't gonna happen- it's never happened that way, why should it start now?

This is the grunt work, the one-step-at-a-time effort that goes on behind the scenes. 30 years from now, everyone will point to Windsor the same way we point to Loving today. What popular perception tends to forget are all the cases filed after Loving striking down various state bans on interracial marriage based on precedent.

This is why each case is important, and your money is best donated to the organizations fighting them.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
9. I've been awaiting this change for fifty years...
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 06:37 PM
Feb 2014

it's been a longgggg slow haul but, the end is near!

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
10. Just around the bend would be my guess.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 06:48 PM
Feb 2014

But it's no time to slack off.

The American Foundation for Equal Rights is responsible for the Virginia win, they could use whatever donations folks can spare.

http://www.afer.org/

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