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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 03:51 AM Feb 2014

The worst parts from the just-released report into the Martin and Incogniti:

The independent investigation commissioned by the NFL came down harshly on Richie Incognito and other members of the Dolphins, finding that they displayed a "pattern" of racial and homophobic languages and other abuse. We've pulling out some of the more noteworthy stuff. If you see anything else in the full report, please alert us in the comments.

Dolphins Line Kept A "Fine Book"; Incognito Tried To Destroy Evidence
At the start of the 2013 season, the Dolphins' offensive line started a fine system, under which team members would owe money to the group for a …
Incognito kept a fine book for the team's "kangaroo court," in which he fined players for cracking under emotional stress. When Jonathan Martin left the team, Incognito fined himself—then asked teammates to destory the book.

Incognito recorded a $200 fine against himself for "breaking Jmart," awarded another lineman who had been verbally taunted a $250 bonus for "not cracking first," and wrote down a number of penalties against Martin for acting like a "pussy." The evidence shows, and Incognito did not dispute, that "breaking Jmart" meant causing Martin to have an emotional reaction in response to taunting.

Approximately one week after Martin left the team, on November 3, 2013, Incognito wrote nearly identical text messages to Pouncey and another lineman: "They're going to suspend me Please destroy the fine book first thing in the morning."

Racial taunts of Martin:
Martin related that one day when he showed up to practice one day without showering, Incognito began calling him a "smelly," "dirty" or "stinky" "Pakistani." Martin said that Incognito's teasing about body odor continued, even when he was wearing heavy deodorant, and that it bothered him significantly, particularly because it had a racial element.
Jokes about shooting black people:

Incognito and a former Dolphins offensive lineman, who is white, communicated about purchasing guns, apparently for recreational purposes. (We identify this former Dolphin as Player B.) The discussion veered into jokes about shooting black people:

Player B: Especially if u plan living in Arizona in the future, that's exactly what you want

Incognito: Yea. For picking off zombies

Player B: Lol isn't that why we own any weapons!?

Incognito: That and black people

Player B: Mmm def all black ppl

Four days later, Incognito and Player B discussed rifle scopes in text messages.

Player B: Yes. That's a solid optic made specifically for a .308 battle rifle

Incognito: Perfect for shooting black people

Player B: Lol exactly

Player B: Or Jeff Ireland
Much more: http://deadspin.com/the-worst-stuff-from-the-dolphins-investigation-updati-1522846626

People were starting to think Incognito was such a swell kid. He had done an interview and was laying low. Martin had not responded in public. Don't bother trying to tell people that he was following his lawyer's advice. Martin was supposed to do what they wanted.

Then Richie exploded out of the blue and started a Twitter rant. It caught everybody off guard. Some surmised that he had read the report and it upset him. Then he returned to type on Twitter.

Incognito and a few others were involved. An assistant coach even took part. In addition, Martin wasn't the only one they harassed. They called out another lineman and an assistant trainer of Asian descent.

I hope they land on Incognito and the rest. I also hope that they make it clear to everybody that these types of actions will not be tolerated. I am so tired of people talking about the locker room culture. They act as if it's a church and changing anything would cause their complete collapse.

NEWSFLASH: The locker room is a work place. It may be a boisterous and profane workplace but a workplace nevertheless. It is not too much to require them to use common decency. If they can't handle that one rule, then close down the league. None of them deserves to play.


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The worst parts from the just-released report into the Martin and Incogniti: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 OP
Stupid ......all of it! bobGandolf Feb 2014 #1
I've worked places where the entire point of a lot of people's day was to get a reaction Fumesucker Feb 2014 #2
It's bullying, purely and simply. BlueMTexpat Feb 2014 #4
Bullies are a constant in life, they'll always be there, always looking for a victim Fumesucker Feb 2014 #8
Too true. Unfortunately. BlueMTexpat Feb 2014 #9
I don't think pipi_k Feb 2014 #16
From what I've seen it's pretty rare in the industrial construction trades. JoeyT Feb 2014 #10
All it takes is one real bully type on a crew and the whole thing can go pear shaped in a moment Fumesucker Feb 2014 #18
this is locker room trash talk bullshit………. he isn't out preaching this to the masses………….. world wide wally Feb 2014 #3
Wait!Wut? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #11
Calm down. I have no argument whatsoever that Incognito is a total loser. world wide wally Feb 2014 #12
Please don't tell me what to do. Ever! Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #14
I am with you and your righteous rant...except for "convince 'mothers'" ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #15
I don't agree with their 'convincing mothers..' Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #17
Jim Turner needs firing, and I hope the harassed training assistant files the mother of all msanthrope Feb 2014 #5
I agree on both points nt steve2470 Feb 2014 #7
The trainor's responses to the investigator's salin Feb 2014 #13
I feel bad for Martin and the assistant trainer steve2470 Feb 2014 #6

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. I've worked places where the entire point of a lot of people's day was to get a reaction
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 05:53 AM
Feb 2014

That sort of taunting behavior is really not at all uncommon in the construction trades and other places as well. The only real defense against it is to be better at it than anyone else, then you get left alone.



BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
4. It's bullying, purely and simply.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:03 AM
Feb 2014

What you say about being left alone if one is "better at it than anyone else" may be correct in some situations. If so, it is a sad commentary on human society. The prompting behavior is still unacceptable when and where it exists.

It. Is. Unacceptable. Period.

When bullying towards anyone is based on skin color, its purpose is likely much darker than simply getting a reaction. (No pun intended.)

Considering the history of the US, it is also manifest racial bigotry, no matter how one may try to characterize it.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. Bullies are a constant in life, they'll always be there, always looking for a victim
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:49 AM
Feb 2014

I even see some of the same behavior here on the DU, there are cliques that will gang up on a poster they don't like and try to goad or annoy them into rashly making a post that will be hidden.

When we grew up and went to school
There were certain teachers who would
Hurt the children in any way they could
By pouring their derision upon anything we did
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids

Pink Floyd, The Happiest Days of our Lives





BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
9. Too true. Unfortunately.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:58 AM
Feb 2014

But that doesn't make what they do right or justifiable under any circumstances.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
16. I don't think
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014

anyone is saying it's right or justifiable.

What I gathered from the post you're replying to is that all too often there's nothing a bullied person can do but stand up to the bully.

Especially if others are turning a blind eye to what's going on.



JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
10. From what I've seen it's pretty rare in the industrial construction trades.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:58 AM
Feb 2014

Yeah, people mess with one another, but it's generally in good fun and people that don't want to participate are left alone. I don't participate and no one bothers me. Most of what does happen is the "Your favorite sports team sucks" variety of arguing. It's almost unheard of to mess with someone long term for the sake of breaking them down. That doesn't happen because them "breaking down" will probably end in them maiming or killing you. When the guy you're talking to is holding a Metabo or a sleever bar, it's not a good idea to see how unstable he is, in case he decides to show you.

It might be common in residential or commercial construction, though. I've never worked those.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. All it takes is one real bully type on a crew and the whole thing can go pear shaped in a moment
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:30 PM
Feb 2014

Bad behavior multiplies like crazy, things can be fine on a jobsite until one certain person shows up and then it turns into Lord of the Flies in about ten seconds as everyone puts up their defensive shields.

One guy I knew pretty well was a major instigator on the job until one day he was getting ready to give someone who was obviously a bit upset a hard time when another person on the crew asked the guy what was wrong and he started talking about his daughter dying of cancer. It actually changed the bully type's behavior, he dialed the harassing way back after that, I don't think he had ever realized how much of an effect he had on people, it was just a way to pass the time for him.



world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
3. this is locker room trash talk bullshit………. he isn't out preaching this to the masses…………..
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 05:58 AM
Feb 2014

what bothers me the most is that why are we all privy to this information?

Yeah, he's an asshole

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
11. Wait!Wut?
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 07:13 AM
Feb 2014

This is beyond the pale even or NFL locker rooms. I don't expect them to be sedate, quiet places. What Incognito did with others help is not the norm.

We are privy to it because Martin reached his breaking point. If you have ever been depressed or worked hard just to fit in, you have a clue about what he was going through. He never had problems at Stanford. I doubt if he would have had as much trouble on another team.

Incognito is an uncontrollable bully. He was like that at Nebraska and he has never changed. Did you read about his abuse of a female volunteer at a golf tournament? He has had many targets and gotten away with it.

The Dolphins had Incognito and Pouncey on their leadership council. That did not end well.

Don't give me that's just the locker room bullshit. That's just n excuse that enables the Incognitos of the world license to to what they want.

I find it telling that you are more pissed at it being made public than what actually occurred.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
12. Calm down. I have no argument whatsoever that Incognito is a total loser.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:20 PM
Feb 2014

My point about being privy to the information is just that we spend too much time concerning ourselves with things we have no control over.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
14. Please don't tell me what to do. Ever!
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:48 PM
Feb 2014

Whether you realize it or not, we do have some control over more than you think even if it's a little.
The NFL is busy trying to convince mothers that football is safe. The last thing they need is another negative pr problem.
Incognito and his minions present such an image. This is why Goodell can't just slide on this. They have the mothers and a lot of other people who are looking very closely at them.

Then their is Michael Sam. If attitudes towards the LGBT community had not changed so much, he wouldn 't have a chance. Do I want him to make it just because he is gay? No. However, I do want him to be given a fair look. When teams dropped him 100 places after he announced, that had nothing to do with his talent.

Because they were so quick to jump, they give every appearance of being hide-bound GMs who refuse to look ouside the box. Why do you think the Rooney rule is in place? Coaches get hired and rehired no matter what their previous record was. They may not be head coaches, but they will get a job. Af-Am coaches still have a hard time being hired because they still don't have an extensive network. This is 'in-the-box', refuse to look thinking.

And don't give me any arguments about 'distraction.' Two words-Bill Belichek. When Tebow went to the Patriots, you didn't have the media circus that Denver had or that the Jets had. The media can be controlled so there is no circis.

Goodell knows that the NFL is being scrutinized even more because of all these factors. Without this pushback, nothing would change or even be attempted. People have more control than you think.

As far as the locker rooms go, I said I don't expect it to be a monastery. It needs to change some. It's not that hard to just have common decency for people.

I am very serious about telling people me what to do. You can't tell emotion from posts. You think you can.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
15. I am with you and your righteous rant...except for "convince 'mothers'"
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:57 PM
Feb 2014

As the mother of a high school football player I am damned sick and tired of it being all about the overprotective crying mothers. Yes, I worry about my son's safety, but so do most of the dads I know.

My hope is that Michael Sam goes higher than everyone expects. The people SI talked to...the ones who were supposedly "top brass?" Are not.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/02/michael_sam_sports_illustrated_the_bad_journalism_that_has_everyone_convinced.html

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
17. I don't agree with their 'convincing mothers..'
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:24 PM
Feb 2014

I was just using that as one of the problems that the NFL has to address. They are having a hard time with mothers as they should be.

I have followed the NFL closely or years about head injuries. There was information about their duplicitous nature but it got little attention. The NFL has no business paying For studies or anything else regarding player safety. NONE! They have proven over and over that they can't be trusted. They will do the least amount possible and let a lot slide if they can get away with it. They need to set up independent people and groups to look at these issues. IN.DE.PEN.DENT.

I am not yelling at you. They make me so damn mad because of the way they act. I'd like to give every one of them a 'come to Jesus' talk. They might not do anything, but their ears would ring.

If I had a kid, they would play soccer, basketball and baseball in their younger years. Their brains are developing and especially sensitive to trauma. Even the older kids in HS footbll are in more danger. I would have to think long and hard about agreeing to my kid playing FB.

I don't think people relize, or want to realize, that every blow to the head damages your brin in ome way. People who head the ball in soccer also have a higher incidence of brain trauma.

Sorry for the sermonette. I took no offense at your remarks and should have made my position clearer.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. Jim Turner needs firing, and I hope the harassed training assistant files the mother of all
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:14 AM
Feb 2014

workplace suits.

salin

(48,955 posts)
13. The trainor's responses to the investigator's
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:33 PM
Feb 2014

in his reluctance to verify what was verified elsewhere - make the point of such a lawsuit both more salient and less likely to be filed.

He clearly is fearful of keeping his employment.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
6. I feel bad for Martin and the assistant trainer
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:48 AM
Feb 2014

Why can't they just play football and leave out the crude racist homophobic shit ? Martin was and is a sensitive guy who also happened to be good at football. He wasn't good at the crude banter. Such a tragedy. I agree with Msanthrope, the asst. trainer has a good suit waiting.

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