Remember when gungeoneers were happily crowing about 'Castle Laws' and 'SYG?'

[onehandle]

Many of them were on my ignore list and eventually got tombstoned.

Not all of them.

[Skittles]

1. gun humping cowards come out of the woodwork to defend their own

f*** them

[Eleanors38]

46. Strange remarks considering all those lovely red, heart-shaped symbols.

What's so funny about peace, love and understanding? Is it worth it any more? Or has the alternative become as easy as a bad habit well-learned?

[CincyDem]

77. Let me reach up there and add a few more hearts to that long list.

For me, they're not an indicator that the recipient is all about peace, love, and understanding. It's because I love what they say about the world and, to be unfortunately blunt, not all of it is unicorns and rainbows.

[Skittles]

84. thanks Cincy

I'll sing KUMBAYA and ponder Eleanor's remarks

[rdharma]

2. Odd that so many gungeoneers reveal their true RW agenda and get tombstoned, eh? nt

[Scootaloo]

9. Odder still that the admins seem to think results may vary

[Chorophyll]

3. Pretty hard to cite "defendin' mah proppity!" in any of these so-called SYG cases.

Not surprised at all about the tombstonings.

[operationclearchoice]

34. yeah

agreed

[applegrove]

4. There was some racist gun nut driving around the court house in

Florida yelling "Not Guilty" tonight. I think that is a sign the racist gun action daydreamers may have to rethink their daydreams tonight.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. well they will be headed to the hosts forum shortly to demand this discussion be shut down.

SYG is NOT a RKBA issue. There is no constitutional right to murder people who you think might hurt you. It is part of Gun Culture. The horror that is florida is a direct consequence of the stupid ass gun culture, stupid ass rightwing gun culture, that goes hand in hand with the rest of the right wing agenda, no matter how loudly some here protest that there is no connection.

[billh58]

19. +100

Well said...

[Warren Stupidity]

33. and as usual they are demanding this op be locked while posting in it.

[regnaD kciN]

81. +1000

[cui bono]

47. I agree.

And I could say the same about another subject. See how that works?

But let's not hijack this thread.

[Lizzie Poppet]

56. At which point you'll publicly out them in AtA (again)?

What a cunning stunt that was...

[Warren Stupidity]

58. nothing about hosting is a secret.

[Lizzie Poppet]

60. Skinner has explicitly stated that alerts are supposed to be private.

No amount of inane dissembling will change the fact that you gave Skinner the stiff middle finger and outed an alerter anyway. Says everything about you that anyone really needs to know...

[Warren Stupidity]

62. well then I guess skinner should have dispatched me, eh?

funny I'm still here after giving him the middle finger and all.

[Lizzie Poppet]

63. In fact he should have.

But we all know that "some animals are more equal than others," don't we?

[Warren Stupidity]

64. oh you poor put upon thing.

im so sorry that your rules didn't apply to me.

[Lizzie Poppet]

65. On the contrary, I appreciate the heads-up.

Always good to know who the people of poor character are in any given group...

[arthritisR_US]

6. Just one hanging about is one too many. nt

[Kingofalldems]

7. Saw some passive aggressive SYG posts in

the Dunn threads.

[onehandle]

10. They have wisely softened their language to fly under radar.

They have thrown around the word 'thug,' in the same manner as Dunn.

Code. Like the GOP uses 'urban.'

[Eleanors38]

12. I think Dunn is a thug. Do you agree? Pardon, that's

Thug™.

How's your radar, wise one?

[Duckhunter935]

16. I agree

He seems to be a thug. I do not enjoy the loud music but I would never even think of provoking other people then using a firearm. Yep he was a thug and is going to jail.

[Hoyt]

20. Before he pulled the trigger (10 times), you two would have called him a law-abiding, responsible

gun owner and fine citizen entitled to as many gunz as he could afford, entitled to strut down the street with one or two strapped to his body . . . . . .even though a callous, bigot.

[Electric Monk]

28. ^^ Truth ^^

nt

[Duckhunter935]

29. I assume he passed

all of the required background checks for owning a firearm and a CCW. That would be Federal, local and state. So up until he broke the law and now has been found guilty at least on some of the charges and will be going to jail for a long time, I guess he was law abiding but probably still a thug.

[Hoyt]

32. And, like I said, you guys would have stood with him. In any event,

demonstrates how inadequate background checks and permit laws are. The only reasonable, responsible action is to restrict the heck out of gun sales and toting, no matter how loudly gun fanciers whine. If Zman, Dunn and Reeves had been unarmed, no one would have been killed.

[Chorophyll]

37. This. nt

[Eleanors38]

43. Hate & Bait. What some banners are all about all the time.

[Warren Stupidity]

35. under florida law you can initiate a confrontation, get into a fight, and if things arent going well

Kill the person you attacked.

Pretty good law, huh?

[regnaD kciN]

82. Dunn CAN'T be a "thug"...

-- he's white!

[aikoaiko]

8. I, for one, am still OK with Castle Doctrine and SYG laws.

Some, like Florida's SYG laws could be improved, but both Castle Doctrine and SYG laws were derived from common law self-defense.

I'm glad that Dunn will die in prison.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. No.

[onehandle]

13. A slew of them were passed or were strengthened between 2005 and 2011.

They were positively giddy as they typed with one hand.

[Duckhunter935]

17. I am sure you can find some links

or it did not happen

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. Not quite sure I could identify posts typed with one hand.

I must not have been born with that gene.

Show me some examples though. I'd love to learn and since you seem to know how maybe you can show me the ropes.

[spin]

14. If written properly and enforced properly I see no problem with SYG laws. (n/t)

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Likewise. Problem's in implementation, not theory.

Surely there's a way to write and implement these concepts without it creating "open season" for racist assholes.

[Hoyt]

21. But we all know laws were written and supported by white wingers - NRA, militias,

bigots, etc. -- representing the vast majority of gun fanciers in this country.

[spin]

39. True, but they can be rewritten. (n/t)

[hack89]

22. Making shit up again, I see. Nt

[Hoyt]

23. Maybe you guys can come up with a gungeoneer originally opposed to SYG, etc.

I realize some now believe SYG has shown the world just how calloused, bigoted, etc., a lot gun fanciers are and that may help turn public opinion. But, how about when the white wing pushed that crap through legislatures.

[hack89]

24. No - maybe the OP can post some links.

but you know as well as I as he has nothing - we know his posting history.

[Hoyt]

25. He knows his gun fanciers, and their desire to expand the instances in which they can walkb

from shooting someone. No doubt in my mind gungeoneers supported SYG, Castle Doctrine, just as the would have supported Zman's, Dunn's, Reeves's right to tote right up till they shot innocent people. Some still support Zman, and feel sorry for poor Dunn and Reeves.

[Duckhunter935]

30. and who would they be?

I assume you can link to posts. I know you will not call out users but you always imply things with NO facts to back up your claims when called on them.

Just once back them up for us

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. He's won't back anything up. He's being eaten from the inside by GDS (Gun Derangement Syndrome).

He stands statistically about the same chance of getting shot by a stranger as he does getting struck by lightning on a sunny day, but that doesn't stop him.

[Hoyt]

53. Nor does that small chance stop you from polluting society with your guns.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. You're more than welcome to explain how my small collection of locked up firearms

pollutes society. Not that I expect you to because that's not how you roll, but you're more than welcome to nevertheless.

Question to Hoyt:

How does my small collection of firearms, which consists of a few rifles, two shotguns, and three handguns, all locked in a safe, pollute society?

[Hoyt]

66. That's a lot of gunz. Worse, you promote gunz, toting and support lax gun laws.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. HOYT TO ME: "Cherokee, we wouldn't even need to debate guns if more gunners felt same way."

That was Hoyt's only response to a thread I posted last year concerning rational discussion of gun laws, and how I felt gun laws should be approached.

So, when Hoyt says I "support lax gun laws", I'm afraid I have to say Hoyt is a LIAR. Hoyt's GDS (Gun Derangement Syndrome) allows or possibly even forces him to tell lies without hesitation nor compunction. His GDS alters his reality to the point he can't remember what he's read or said in the past. In short, it causes him whether he realizes it or not, to tell lies. This is sad. Very, very sad. Would that someone could find a cure for GDS.

Hoyt says I "promote gunz". What does that even mean? Do I stand at the corner wearing a sandwich board that, instead of saying "Eat at Joes" says "Buy More Gunz"? That I lend my face to ads by gun manufacturers selling their product? Or do I post here at DU that "moar gunz is the answer"? I can assure you that you will not search DU and find any evidence of an instance where I "promote gunz". I DO support the right of an individual to own firearms, according to the Second Amendment. Of that I am not ashamed. I do not believe The Framers would add an amendment to their document that says, to wit: IF, the citizen FIRST satisfies THIS condition, the federal government SHALL NOT infringe upon their right to do THAT.

Hoyt says I "promote... toting". Read the previous paragraph.

Oh by the way, here's the link to Hoyt's response to the thread I started:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2802656

And, here's the OP he responded to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2800675

Now, I called Hoyt a liar, and not without reason. Hoyt lied. I DO NOT support lax gun laws, and am on record stating as much, causing Hoyt to respond in what I can only term as a conciliatory tone. So to the people who are inevitably going to sit on a jury to hide this post because I called Hoyt a liar: I would ask you; before you vote, follow the links and see WHY I called Hoyt a liar, because without that context, the reasoning might not be evident.

Hoyt? You're a liar.

[Hoyt]

68. Problem is, like a number of you guys, you say something responsible on occasion and then relapse.

[oneshooter]

69. While you allow your hatred of firearms to affect your every post. n/t

[Hoyt]

70. And, you let your love of firearms cloud your judgement and concern for society.

If Zman, Dunn, Reeves had not had a gun, innocent people would still be alive.

[oneshooter]

76. I had nothing to do with the actions of anyone but myself.

So you admit to having some responsibility for the machete deaths in Africa, since that is what you want to carry.

[Hoyt]

78. Yes, Oneshooter, you do directly or indirectly impact the actions of other gun fanciers.

[oneshooter]

80. In what way? n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. Hoyt... I'll say it again, right here for all to see: You're a liar. You tell lies.

You said I promoted gunz, toting, and lax gun laws.

That's a lie.

That makes you a liar.

Unless, of course, you can find a post where I promote (whatever the hell that means) "gunz", "toting", OR lax gun laws. I've already taken a positive step in the opposite direction, now here's YOUR chance:

PROVE you're not lying when you tell the board I promote "gunz", "toting", or lax gun laws.

PROVE IT, or remain a liar.

Or, I guess you'd rather take the route another poster took this morning... "We say it's so, so it's so and we DON'T need to show links to prove it." It's right here below this very post. My first inclination is to believe you'll take that way out.

[Hoyt]

73. Here you are promoting gunz -- first post that comes up of many after Google search.

"MY personal gun and those of my neighbors keep the government from running roughshod over not only MY rights but those of my neighbors. Hussein's government wouldn't have CONSIDERED a gas attack against citizens within its own borders if they were armed.
Gun ownership WILL prevent events like HALABJA in this country YOU FUCKING BET. A unarmed citizenry exists at the pleasure of it's rulers. When those rulers are not happy, innocent people die. History bears this out. Come take my gun. Come take the guns of 300,000,000 people and tell them it's for their own good." http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=988124

[cherokeeprogressive]

79. Leave it to me to ignore your ability to ignore

context.

The thread and my posts in it were about The Second Amendment, and how it was meant to prevent the federal government from infringing upon my right to own a firearm. Of course one could twist themselves into a pretzel and say that somehow "promotes guns", and you've done it. I hope you stretched first; I don't want to be responsible for your pulling any muscles.

So you caught me. I promote guns, promote "toting", and promote lax gun laws. Oh wait...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

42. I remember those posts too. They were frequent during

Zimmerman Trial.
And no....we don't have to link them. They were all over these discussions.

[cherokeeprogressive]

59. That's perfect. Just perfect.

So now, when someone feels they're right about something they can simply say "We'll claim this, and no, you won't ask US to link to anything to prove it because we're saying that's the way it is so that's the way it is."

The next time someone says to me "Gotta link for that?" or "Cite, please?" I'll point them to this bookmarked thread. Maybe, just maybe, with time we can stop this needless practice of asking people to back up their claims.

The OP also states "A slew of them were passed or were strengthened between 2005 and 2011. They were positively giddy as they typed with one hand." Do you also claim to remember posts that were typed with one hand?

The OP uses the term "happily crowing". Now, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret that, but I'm thinking he means bragging. I'm sorry, I don't remember seeing anyone brag about any law associated with Stand Your Ground, or The Castle Doctrine.

[Hoyt]

26. He knows his gun fanciers, and their desire to expand the instances in which they can walkb

from shooting someone. No doubt in my mind gungeoneers supported SYG, Castle Doctrine, just as the would have supported Zman's, Dunn's, Reeves's right to tote right up till they shot innocent people. Some still support Zman, and probably feel sorry for poor Dunn and Reeves (although recognizing their guilt).

[Eleanors38]

44. Ever read the Esquire article about Peak Hate? I think it

also dealt with lying and smearing as Sport. On I-net sites which allow it. Quite a good read, actually.

[CFLDem]

27. SYG is nuts

but Castle Doctrine is fair game. People who maliciously break into other people's homes simply don't deserve to exist in our society anymore unless it's in shackles or a coffin.


You also know what else got tombstoned during that time?

Gun control thanks to the wonders of 3D printing. Game. over.

At this point gun control is like banning books after the printing press.

[rrneck]

31. Make sure you keep a sharp lookout.

A zampolit's work is never done.

[Major Nikon]

38. When did they ever stop?

[Hoyt]

40. Response to #39. Then, you gun guys -who could persuade Congress - need to do the responsible

thing and get it done. I give you a lot of credit for recognizing laws can be rrwritten, but it would happen much faster with gun fanciers urging Congress to get off their right/white wing pandering asses.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

41. Gundamentalists love their penis extensions and backbone enablers.

[Eleanors38]

45. It said, while giggling in the dark with its hate & bait license.

[hack89]

50. Why are grabbers always looking at guns and thinking of other people's genitals?

never understood that association.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

51. Same reason we look at men in Humvees and think the same thing

Their car and their gun is an extension of their manhood because they feel inadequate as men. It's called "dick fear," as defined by George Carlin.

"Men are insecure with the size of their dicks" so they do things to compensate for that. Big guns, big cars, big boobs and "making it rain."

[hack89]

52. Well, it certainly perplexes my wife, daughter and the other women shooters I know.

But then I guess you can say the same about any stereotype based on ignorance and bigotry.

[Lonusca]

54. I love George

What do you think when you see a woman in a Hummer? Do you think of her sexual inadequacies?

[sked14]

55. What do you call women that have guns and drive Humvees?

[Duckhunter935]

57. wow real nice there

Just group all gun owners, what about woman gun owners. I guess all those Olympic shooters have small ones too. Nothing like a a nice broad brush of sexism there but I guess you must be above cordial discussion without the name calling. Hope you have a great day.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

85. Quoting Carlin. Wow, gun humpers really have low abilities to take criticism of their manhood

extenders.

When did DU become gun humper underground?

[Duckhunter935]

86. Us gun owners take this all the time

Does not bother me at all. I think it is just funny that on a progressive board there would be this much animosity towards another person with democratic views that supports the platform. One side does seem to sink down to a very low level here, kind of sad actually. You would think a point of view on facts would be the better approach but I guess not when the facts are not generally on your side you then resort to blanket name calling and smears of fellow members.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

87. Blanket statements. Next time you smear Republicans, I will accuse you of what you accuse me of

Oh. . .I own guns too. But unlike gun humpers, I support strong gun control laws, registration, mandatory licensing and comprehensive background checks.

These are things gun humpers despise because they think the big bad guv'mint will take their penis extensions away.

I'll quote Carlin one more time: "I'm sick of these dickless lunatic gun enthusiasts."

[LAGC]

75. Good thing women don't have dicks.

Would hate for them to feel "inadequate" when they're shooting guns and driving Humvees around.

[Scuba]

48. The jury blacklist feature is your friend.

[ileus]

72. Interesting...

[etherealtruth]

74. Yes, I do

I can't believe folk are asking for links .... those posts filled GD during the Zimmerman trial

[billh58]

83. We all remember

those posts very well.