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Map of Hate Groups in US (Original Post) Faux pas Feb 2014 OP
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #1
Per capita, though, it looks bad for Ohio. blm Feb 2014 #2
It is bad in Ohio rbrnmw Feb 2014 #24
Did you see GA? Motown_Johnny Feb 2014 #25
It is a very frightening reminder that "they" live among us etherealtruth Feb 2014 #3
Yep... and they sit on juries, too. nt Diamonique Feb 2014 #8
No sh*t! n/t etherealtruth Feb 2014 #11
They also have the largest population of any US state Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #4
They're on every state. Some of them even control legislatures, Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2014 #5
Collectively, the South still rules. And they have many more members per group. onehandle Feb 2014 #6
Montana and Mississippi have the most hate groups per capita. Lasher Feb 2014 #43
With the explosion of the internet, I find that map kind of useless. William769 Feb 2014 #7
But more fuel for state haterationists. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #9
With the hate I see here on a daily basis. William769 Feb 2014 #10
Certain hate and bigotry sarisataka Feb 2014 #14
what kind of hate are you talking about? Can you provide examples/ el_bryanto Feb 2014 #15
Any broad brush statement sarisataka Feb 2014 #16
nods - thanks for clarifying. nt el_bryanto Feb 2014 #19
Well, there's the "thug" dog whistling... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #21
Well, I'm about as male white as one can get, and from what Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #40
It's humorous when stats are used to justify it... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #36
I borrowed the term "hateration" from an R&B song Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #39
That is very true. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #37
I have to wonder how accurate this is. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #12
With such a widespread and diverse number of hate groups, it's no wonder domestic surveilance..... DrewFlorida Feb 2014 #13
Yep, that's what I think too. I'm not a fan of surveillance, but we have a lot of RKP5637 Feb 2014 #30
Yep, I'm of two minds about it too. Don't like it and see opportunity for abuse..... DrewFlorida Feb 2014 #33
59 in Florida. That explains a lot! MoonRiver Feb 2014 #17
A lot of the California ones seem to be publishing groups Scootaloo Feb 2014 #18
And Chalcedon. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #34
VT and Wyoming have the fewest! (2) Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #20
And Alaska. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #23
Sorry, I didn't noticed them. Glad they only got 2 because everyone there probably has guns. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #27
Well, some of us don't and never have, Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #28
As one of my friends says there are enough assholes and crazies to pepper/cover the RKP5637 Feb 2014 #32
Isn't that basically a population map? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #22
American College of Pediatricians is on the list for FL. SCUBANOW Feb 2014 #26
Sobering oldandhappy Feb 2014 #29
Damn, there's enough hatred there to cover just about anyone's hate fetish! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #31
The California list is weird. The groups are clustered in the south state, LeftyMom Feb 2014 #35
I clicked on one in my state and it said "General hate" undeterred Feb 2014 #38
Probably an Angry Old Man group Shankapotomus Feb 2014 #41
20 in Indiana. Mostly Klan and Neo-Nazis/Brotherhood. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #42
Clicking around the states - I'm shocked Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #44
Well, we are the most popoulous state in the union Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #45
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. They also have the largest population of any US state
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:44 PM
Feb 2014

California has 38 million people. That's 12% of the US population. For comparison? Georgia has around 10 million people. Mississippi? Around 3 million. Relative to population the majority are where you'd expect. (And it's also useful to note that they include black separatist groups like the Nation of Islam and radical groups like the Jewish Defense League, and not just KKK/skinhead/white nationalist "hate groups&quot .

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
5. They're on every state. Some of them even control legislatures,
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:45 PM
Feb 2014

governor's offices and even branches of our government. I've heard people refer to them as the GOP or something like that. It's crazy. I know.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. Collectively, the South still rules. And they have many more members per group.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:47 PM
Feb 2014

Why isn't the GOP and NRA on that map?

Lasher

(27,640 posts)
43. Montana and Mississippi have the most hate groups per capita.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:36 AM
Feb 2014
Hate groups are most highly concentrated in the old South and the northern Plains states.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/the-geography-of-hate/238708/

I have always considered this map a good resource. But as Comrade Grumpy said below, I'm skeptical about the way some hate groups are defined.

sarisataka

(18,788 posts)
14. Certain hate and bigotry
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:20 PM
Feb 2014

Is accepted and cheered by some calling themselves' progressive' . It is sad that they can overlook the hateful bigot in the mirror.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
15. what kind of hate are you talking about? Can you provide examples/
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:23 PM
Feb 2014

Not specific ones of course - but the sort of thing a DU bigot might say.

Bryant

sarisataka

(18,788 posts)
16. Any broad brush statement
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:32 PM
Feb 2014

That lumps all members of an identifiable group together then judges all of the group by stereotypes or the actions of a minority.

The southern redneck is a recurring example.

Hate speech i see here regularly can be regional, sexist, religious, even political.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. Well, there's the "thug" dog whistling...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:50 PM
Feb 2014

Seriously, search some threads about the Zimmerman trial, it's rather grotesque. You will often see DU'ers exploring every possible option to explain a racist incident except for racism - unless of course the victim is white, then we get smug "told ya so's!" The new one is the claim that the Michael Dunn trial jury was too progressive to convict him on Murder 1 because they didn't like the death penalty - it couldn't be because someone on the jury simply didn't think it was worth a murder charge...

Also a lot of hate delivered towards muslims. Islamophobia for DAYS on DU. Plus just general hatred and bloodlust towards the non-Israel middle east as a whole; We have people who think that a bloody military Junta in Egypt, massacring civilians, treating Journalism as terrorism, is a great thing, becuase the alternative might be a democratically-elected government passing a law against alcohol sales or something. To say nothing of the bloodthirsty ranting of people who wanted to massacre Syrians in airstrikes so that we could "send a message" to iran - or just as often simply because the president thought it would be a good move.

While lurking on DU I saw people defending antiziganism (hatred at Roma and other traveler / gypsy groups) by claiming - of course - that those people are all thieves and kidnappers. it was recently reprised on DU3 when there was a story about a Roma couple who apparently DID kidnap a child, their crime was thrown onto the entire ethnic group by DU.

And of course there's the transphobia - I never thought I would see a trans woman referred to as "it" on a place like DU, but that was a frequent expression with regard to chelsea Manning, as wll as the usual "He was born a man i'm going ot keep calling him a man!" shit.

I could make mention of the biases against women here, but there are other posters who could give you what's probably a clearer account.

Basically DU is only fully welcoming to white cis-males. others are "tolerated" or treated like fashion accessories. I know I'm not the only white cis-male who's bothered by this of course, it's not exactly a club we have... but it's the way any unmoderated place on the internet will go - along with the brainless right-wingerism that seems to have taken root here in general. A lot of worm-eaten driftwood has piled up on the shores of DU.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
40. Well, I'm about as male white as one can get, and from what
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:10 AM
Feb 2014

I understand of "cissexuality," that too, and I don't feel enthused to discuss much of anything beyond hobbies, creative economy, and some political policy questions. The stuff that spreads through GD like the clapp might have import within a few enclaves of serious discussion; otherwise, its a place to dig tiger traps for other DUers, and breast-beat about one's own overwhelming morality at the expense of some vast Other. Sometimes, it's worth a few double-meanings & one-liners.

So many touch-screen allegiances, so many trick questions.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
36. It's humorous when stats are used to justify it...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:30 PM
Feb 2014

Especially when brick 'n' mortar is going the way of vacuum tubes.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
39. I borrowed the term "hateration" from an R&B song
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:56 PM
Feb 2014

that was popular about 25-30 yrs ago. As folks branch out with ever-newer animosities, we'll have to create new expressions to describe social types and practitioners! I always liked "hateration."

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. I have to wonder how accurate this is.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

For example, one state I am familiar with is South Dakota. SPLC lists six hate groups operating there, but only actually shows two (as far as I can tell).

One is a ranch owned by polygamist FLDS church, which is pretty retrograde, but I don't know how it's a hate group.

The other is a defunct on-line newspaper from Rapid City that has folded into another rag. I can't bring myself to delve too deeply into it, but it appears to be basically a Tea Party-type publication.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
13. With such a widespread and diverse number of hate groups, it's no wonder domestic surveilance.....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:14 PM
Feb 2014

has grown in America. One look at the list of Domestic terrorist events list should tell us of a growing problem.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
30. Yep, that's what I think too. I'm not a fan of surveillance, but we have a lot of
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

really nasty stuff going on in the US. Often I'm glad some are doing surveillance.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
33. Yep, I'm of two minds about it too. Don't like it and see opportunity for abuse.....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:02 PM
Feb 2014

but also see a need for it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. A lot of the California ones seem to be publishing groups
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:37 PM
Feb 2014

Barenaked Islam and Chick Publications for instance

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
20. VT and Wyoming have the fewest! (2)
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

We're a loving state. I've never met any racist like the have down South or out West...lucky Vermonters.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
28. Well, some of us don't and never have,
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:17 PM
Feb 2014

but, yes, there are a lot of guns here. A lot of people hunt, and a lot of people have them for protection in the wild ... and some people are just macho assholes, like everywhere else.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
32. As one of my friends says there are enough assholes and crazies to pepper/cover the
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:26 PM
Feb 2014

entire US. I sometimes travel a lot on the road and I have to admit I've been a bit spooked sometimes when I stop for gas or a bite to eat at a mini-mart and see whom I've been driving along with. And I see it across a lot of states/regions. Not all, but enough.



oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
29. Sobering
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 05:33 PM
Feb 2014

I am in CA. I will stay. Rather be here than Florida or GA. Smile. If I could afford the winter heating bills, I would like to be in VT. For now, I am happy where I find myself. And I am careful!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
35. The California list is weird. The groups are clustered in the south state,
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:07 PM
Feb 2014

but actually living here I can tell you that's probably because the neck tattooed meth cooks in the rural northern parts of the state don't have their shit together enough to set up websites and newsletters.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
38. I clicked on one in my state and it said "General hate"
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:33 PM
Feb 2014

Well, that's nice that they don't discriminate.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
45. Well, we are the most popoulous state in the union
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:11 AM
Feb 2014

so it doesn't surprise me. And just in case anyone decides that they're "all in the red part of the state," you might want to look again. Most of them are in Southern California.

The thing about our hate groups? They don't elect Senators like in other states that will not be named here. They're considered fringe and aren't taken seriously. In other parts of the country, they make up religious congregations and elect Representatives to reflect their viewpoint.

That's the difference.

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