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We have two frogs that moved in to occupy the cool, wet, and dark alcove under our fountain last spring, right after we bought it and put it in use.
We used bricks under it to level the fountain, which created the space. We were always careful around the front steps to look for them when walking, mowing, etc. One dark morning before I headed off to work one of them surprised me. I went out to fill the fountain. He was out in the grass hunting for breakfast. He jumped his way back to his home under the fountain, and I carefully filled it up with the hose.
Last fall Marta was raking up leaves around the fountain in front of the house. She raked out one of the two frogs we watched over all summer; he'd buried himself in the leaves and was apparently waiting for winter. The frog wasn't hibernating yet; he turned around and hoped right back into the leaves. Marta packed a lot more leaves around the fountain and tamped them down, so he would be safe. Every time we go by the fountain, we worry about the poor guy and hope he's okay. It makes waiting for spring that much harder, hoping he'll show up again.
Technically they should not be able to survive the untreated water in the fountain, but there they were. Our local water system uses (http://water.epa.gov/lawsregs/rulesregs/sdwa/mdbp/chloramines_index.cfm) chloramines. They seemed to be attracted to the spray of water the
fountain continually put out. Here is the winter home photo.
OS & Marta.
http://www.stocktongov.com/government/departments/municipalUtilities/chlorEnvir.html
Are Chloramines Safe for My Salt and Freshwater Fish?
Both chlorine and chloramines are toxic to fish and aquatic life. Chloramines are harmful to fish and amphibians when they enter the bloodstream from water that passes through their gills. Therefore, like chlorine, chloramines must be removed from water used for keeping fish, amphibians and other aquatic animals. This includes: fish, lobster, shrimp, frogs, turtles, snails, clams and live coral. To protect fish and amphibians, use treatment products to remove chloramines from tap water. These products are readily available at most pet supply stores and aquarium dealers.
Why Can't I Let My Tap Water Sit for a Few Days to Remove Chloramines?
Chloramines last longer than chlorine and will not dissipate from tap water like chlorine. You must remove chloramines from your water prior to use for fish, amphibians and other aquatic animals.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Thank you for caring for the frogs. Best wishes for a happy reunion.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)\Where I live, there is such a chorus of little frogs croaking in the spring, it's almost deafening. The first little "rivet" of the season almost brings tears to my eyes, as it means winter is OVER!
I had a large pond built on my property (200' x 150' x 17' deep) and the frogs quickly showed up! I named my road "Frog Hollow Lane" in their honor!
Hope you see them soon and I hope spring arrives soon for you too!
Keep us posted on their well-being please!
Omaha Steve
(99,624 posts)"Frog Hollow Lane". Nice touch.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)and there is no better day than that day in the spring when the peepers start peeping.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Just as you're getting back to sleep.. *yaaawn*.. pull the covers up to your neck and snuggle in.. big sigh as you drift off....
PEEP!
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)They dig in to the ground below the wells in the winter, and pop back up in the spring. I've seen the same one for two years running (has that same spot on his head.)
hunter
(38,311 posts)Yeah, I know, it wastes water, but our city water is very hard and and aggressive and can kill a coffee maker within a year. (Yeah, I know, coffee... I am addicted to it.) Our city water is not nice for drinking, cooking, or brewing beer.
Anyways, the reverse osmosis filter dumps a lot of water as it runs and usually these machines are hooked up so this water runs down the drain. Instead I redirect this water in our fountains. It's chloramine free because of the big activated carbon filter up front that removes chlorine and chloramines to protect the reverse osmosis membrane from damage.
For a lazy person like myself this setup is ideal because I never have to refill the fountains. Polyethylene tubing, "drip-line," is cheap and drilling a hole in the wall is not difficult. Just don't forget the air-gap which is usually built into the water dispenser.
The mosquito fish do fine in the RO wastewater, the dogs drink it, and the birds bathe in it. Unfortunately amphibians won't go anywhere near water that has mosquito fish in it because these fish are the piranha of the small world which is why they so effectively control mosquitos.
If you are worried about chloramines, there are a couple of good solutions. When I first built the fountains I'd use some of the dechlorinating products you can find in aquarium shops. Then I decided it would be less hassle to fill the fountains with water run through an active carbon filter, the sort available at any home improvement place. I made a filter rig that fit between the faucet and a hose. Then we got the RO filter and that's how I've been keeping the fountains full for many years.
We don't have to worry about freezing here, but I don't think it would be difficult to divert the water back inside and down the drain in freezing weather, just some sort of "Y" joint inside.
Our biggest problem with the outdoor fountains is raccoons. They visit the fountains at night and drive our dogs (who sleep inside nights) crazy. Most nights the raccoons are quiet and their scent doesn't drift into the house, but when the raccoons squabble, try to tip the garbage, or the wind is just right, our dogs wake everyone up. That happened last night, damned raccoons.
We have a couple of garden toads (the dogs know not to mess with them...) and salamanders that are rarely seen. I love having a garden, I love that we can be an oasis during the California drought, at least until the city wells run dry, in which case everyone is screwed, both humans and wildlife.
Best wishes to you and your frogs!
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Or at least, if it does, it's an exceptionally well-camouflaged frog, or I am just being obtuse.
I was hoping for a picture of an actual frog, not just a picture of some logs which may, at some point, contain frogs
Omaha Steve
(99,624 posts)It referred to the winter home.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I was hoping for a picture of your frogs, outside your winter home
Omaha Steve
(99,624 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,624 posts)No sign of any frogs. We removed all the leaves and found nothing.