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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:19 PM Feb 2014

Last moments of man killed by police near Las Vegas captured on video

Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal

Two men observing a police stop Friday watched in growing disbelief and then horror as the seemingly routine incident turned deadly when a federal ranger shot a man inside a state trooper’s patrol car.

Read more: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/last-moments-man-killed-police-red-rock-captured-video

Posting only one sentence because this is the LVRJ. But this video is exclusive to them.

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Last moments of man killed by police near Las Vegas captured on video (Original Post) Newsjock Feb 2014 OP
The rangers (and later the avebury Feb 2014 #1
WTF? sakabatou Feb 2014 #2
there he was fighting off the police hfojvt Feb 2014 #3
The gunw as locked and never at risk of being used by the victim. morningfog Feb 2014 #5
they caused him to fight them? hfojvt Feb 2014 #6
They had ample opportunity to defuse the situation without resorting to killing him. morningfog Feb 2014 #7
why would you hfojvt Feb 2014 #8
and why would you defend cops who didn't do their jobs Bombero1956 Feb 2014 #9
except the story/video shows this hfojvt Feb 2014 #10
Do you even hear yourself? AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #16
here's the problem with your thinking Bombero1956 Feb 2014 #22
I see. morningfog Feb 2014 #12
Thanks for ensuring that the right-wing crazy viewpoint is represented. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #15
Thanks for ensuring the hatred of law enforcement opinion AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #17
Only through a filter thick enough to block the sun could one watch that video and reach Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #18
I only started to watch the video hfojvt Feb 2014 #19
Point made. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #20
The article said that the officers claimed Half-Century Man Feb 2014 #4
and let him drive off in the patrol car? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #11
Yay cops! They executed him, and will get vacation for for their trouble. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #13
They're the best! Iggo Feb 2014 #14
Hey guys you just witnessed the cops kill a man on the highway...Do you... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #21

avebury

(10,952 posts)
1. The rangers (and later the
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:32 PM
Feb 2014

state troopers) let the situation get out totally out of control. It seems like there are some rangers and state troopers who are in the wrong line of work.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
3. there he was fighting off the police
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:41 PM
Feb 2014

and then breaking into their police car, when suddenly they shot him for no reason.

What is this country coming to when a person can't be minding their own business, just harrassing bicyclists, fighting with cops and then going into a patrol car to grab a gun, without getting shot.

It's just so sad.

It's like we are a police state or something.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. The gunw as locked and never at risk of being used by the victim.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:23 AM
Feb 2014

You say "harrassing," the article says "hailing."

This is all on the cops. They caused it all. They murdered him.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. they caused him to fight them?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:31 AM
Feb 2014

They caused him to enter the front seat of a police cruiser?

Fucking fascist police and their mind control techniques.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
7. They had ample opportunity to defuse the situation without resorting to killing him.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014

In fact, they created the situation.

Again, there was no risk of him getting the locked gun.

Why would you defend murdering cops?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. why would you
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:44 AM
Feb 2014

defend an a$$hole trying to steal a police car or the guns inside?

That's why I defend cops, because I pay them to protect me from a$$holes like that while I am riding my bicycle.

The rest is just Monday-morning-quarterbacking. Oh, if I was the quarterback, or the cop, I woulda done this or coulda done that.

I tend to give them credit, because they are out there getting slammed to the ground by huge linebackers. Doing a job that I certainly would not want to do.

You know who else had ample opportunity to defuse the situation? The perp.

Bombero1956

(3,539 posts)
9. and why would you defend cops who didn't do their jobs
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:30 AM
Feb 2014

They had ample opportunity to subdue the kid. They let the situation escalate to the point that he tried to grab a weapon from the cruiser. So far as I can see it was three or four against one. They could've tackled him once he was tasered or pepper sprayed. Lets see what the autopsy says. I'm sure they're going to run a tox screen to see what was in his system. Bad police work. We had almost the same thing happen here. The cops are called because a black man is sleeping in a BMW. When the cops get there they ordered him out of the car. There was no response so they smashed the car window and clubbed him with their batons. Turns out the man was diabetic and was having a diabetic episode. The city had to settle out of court for that debacle.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. except the story/video shows this
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:54 AM
Feb 2014

"The video returns with both rangers on top of Berghardt in the roadway, the trooper off to the side. But Berghardt somehow escapes from the rangers’ grasp, pushes away the trooper, and bolts for the trooper’s patrol car."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/last-moments-man-killed-police-red-rock-captured-video

Sometimes the quarterback's job isn't as easy as I think from my position on the couch.

And then if they'd tackled him and he grabbed one of their guns and they shot him, it would be their fault again. Or it would be their fault if they took him down HARD and he got hurt. Guy who is pestering bicyclists and fighting with cops bears NO responsibility. It's all on them to be perfect in dealing with some whack-out dude.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

One obvious thing to me, is why didn't he lock his frigging door?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
16. Do you even hear yourself?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

They LET the situation escalate? Yeah the kid needed to lie down and comply. I am half Hispanic and grew up being taught to obey the police or you can get shot. You defend the indefensible and it sickens me. If the kid had listened and complied, we would not be having this discussion. Instead you want to blame the police.

Bombero1956

(3,539 posts)
22. here's the problem with your thinking
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:42 PM
Feb 2014

people shouldn't get shot if they don't obey the cops. When you as a law enforcement officer have the power over life and death it behooves you to exercise restraint in the use of that power. The video clearly shows the officers using tasers and pepper spray on the victim. If they had done their jobs properly they would've restrained the man and could've cuffed him and put him in the back of a cruiser.
Instead we see a man left to run around for over 5 minutes and the cops chasing after him.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
12. I see.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:58 AM
Feb 2014

You give credit to police murder.

This isn't about defending someone who was "hailing bicycles" and ended up dead by cops. Although, had he committed a crime, I would support a legal defense for him. This is about a man that is dead who did nothing to deserve to be killed.

Hailing bicycles is not a reason to be killed. Everything after that the cops did to exacerbate and escalate until they shot and killed an unarmed man. Sick shit. And sick that you give that credit. Fuck murdering cops.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
17. Thanks for ensuring the hatred of law enforcement opinion
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

is represented. The kid does not try to steal a Police vehicle, does not take swings at the police, and does comply, he lives. That's not a crazy opinion, that is rational common sense.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
18. Only through a filter thick enough to block the sun could one watch that video and reach
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:22 PM
Feb 2014

those bizarre conclusions.The authoritarian mind always believes it's just fine when the police execute some unarmed stranger on the side of the road. The complete lack of empathy is truly astonishing and indicative of how we got here.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
19. I only started to watch the video
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:35 PM
Feb 2014

I could not really tell what the ants were doing from 600 miles away, so I figured it was pointless to keep watching.

But you think there is something rightwing and crazy

about thinking people should NOT fight with the police
should not attempt to steal police cars

Did the video show something different than the article described? (I would not be shocked if that was the case).

And "unarmed"? Somebody in control of an automobile IS armed, with a deadly weapon.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
4. The article said that the officers claimed
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:14 AM
Feb 2014

that Mr. D’Andre Berghardt Jr. grabbed at the AR15 that the officers knew was locked it's holder (and un-removable without the key on the rangers belt). Fearing for their lives pumped multiple rounds in the perpetrator of a moot act.

I feel all saved and shit, how about the rest of DU?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
11. and let him drive off in the patrol car?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:27 AM
Feb 2014

Whoever was filming was much too far away to be able to tell what was going on. They complain that the officers "let him get up" but as bad as the video is and how far away it is you can't tell how he was able to get up or if he had a weapon or what. Even whoever took the video aren't complaining that the guy was shot once he dove into the driver's seat of the patrol car but that he believed that the officers somehow allowed the situation to escalate, but they were too far away to be able to see what was happening or why the guy was able to get up off the ground.

Sorry, but once the guy had sole access to the patrol car it's a dangerous situation.... they don't take out the keys in case they have to very quickly jump back in and pursue someone. I don't even think they even turn off the engine for the same reason. I don't know which one fired the shots, but it might have been one of them who didn't know that the weapon the guy allegedly reached for in the patrol car was locked in or not. Weapon in the patrol car or not once he was in the driver's seat he could have used the car as a weapon mowing down whoever he felt like.

Given how hesitant any of the officers were about getting very close to him it's possible that he had a weapon of some kind. There had to be some reason none of them were willing to get at all close to him even when he someone ended up on the ground (given the shitty video I can't tell how he ended up on the ground).

It's a really shitty video, and I really hate it when people that take videos don't bother to even attempt holding the camera still or even pointed at the subject. I got nauseated watching the frame jumping around all over the place the whole time.

Police here are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Had they pounced on the guy to cuff him people would be screaming that he was being beaten up.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
21. Hey guys you just witnessed the cops kill a man on the highway...Do you...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:00 PM
Feb 2014

Stay and give a witness statement....or drive through the crime scene on your merry way...WTF America...

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