Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

G_j

(40,372 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:20 PM Feb 2014

It's up, up and away for ancient trapped helium at Yellowstone

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-yellowstone-helium-degassing-20140218,0,1665876.story#axzz2tzGdB9qB

by Monte Morin
February 19, 2014, 10:15 a.m.

Talk about passing gas: Vast stores of helium are escaping from the steam vents and hot springs of Yellowstone National Park after being trapped within Earth's crust for up to 2 billion years, according to new research.

In a study published Wednesday in the journal Nature, researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey determined that the famed national park was releasing hundreds -- if not thousands -- of times more helium than anticipated.

In fact, researchers say, the escaping helium -- about 60 tons per year -- is enough to fill one Goodyear blimp every week.
They also calculate that this "sudden" release of gas began roughly 2 million years ago, with the advent of volcanic activity there.

"That might seem like a really, really long time to people, but in the geologic time scale, the volcanism is a recent phenomenon," said study coauthor Bill Evans, a research chemist at the USGS office in Menlo Park, Calif.

Helium, or more accurately the isotope helium-4, is produced in Earth's crust as uranium and thorium decay. Often, this nonradioactive, crustal helium is swept away by groundwater, or freed as a result of tectonic movement.

But in areas where there is little groundwater or movement in Earth's crust, helium-4 can remain trapped and build up over time. This is especially true at Yellowstone, where inactive rocks, or what geologists call "craton," have been estimated to be 2.5 billion years old. (The park is located primarily in Wyoming.)

..more..
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-yellowstone-helium-degassing-20140218,0,1665876.story#ixzz2tzQeGI2q
10 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

TlalocW

(15,393 posts)
2. Is there anyway to capture it in an environmentally friendly manner?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:35 PM
Feb 2014

I'm a balloon twister and every now and then do balloon decor. I've always tried to stay away from helium, but being in the biz, I hear about shortages and whatnot all the time. I also know helium is important for scientific experiments (which I prefer it go to that in the first place).

TlalocW

muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
10. Probably not - they said it was '60 tons' of helium, without mentioning weight
Reply to RC (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:25 PM
Feb 2014

or mass for that matter, but that should mean 'mass' in that case. Air, at sea-level and 0 C, has a density of 1.292 kg/m3, and helium 0.178 kg/m3. So the air it would displace would have a mass of about 60*1.292/0.178 = 436 tons.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
7. Also, there is a scientific literacy issue there.
Reply to RC (Reply #4)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 05:29 PM
Feb 2014

Technically, they should have said the helium has a mass of 60 tons.

Mass is independent of Earth gravity. 60T of helium is 60T of helium whether it's on Earth, Mars or floating in space 30x106 km from the sun.

Weight is dependent upon gravity. Identical things weigh different amounts on different gravitational bodies. Their mass remains constant.

For example, people weigh 1/6 as much on the Moon. On Jupiter, your weight is 2x your Earth weight. Science articles should really never use weight instead of mass. The measurements are interchangeable for objects on Earth but nowhere else and expressions in weight rather than mass are quickly exposed as problematic in light of questions like yours.

This explains it quite well:
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/mathmol/textbook/weightvmass.html

muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
9. They didn't actually mention 'weigh', 'weight' or 'mass' in the article
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Feb 2014

They just said " the escaping helium -- about 60 tons per year", which is fine.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»It's up, up and away for ...