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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat Percentage of DUers Has Read the Entire Bible,
including Old and New Testaments, during their lifetime? Answer this poll and we'll get an idea.
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I am a Christian and I have read the entire Bible. | |
10 (29%) |
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I am not a Christian and I have read the entire Bible. | |
14 (40%) |
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I am a Christian, and I have not read the entire Bible. | |
3 (9%) |
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I am not a Christian and I have not read the entire Bible. | |
6 (17%) |
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Never mind. None of your business. | |
0 (0%) |
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I can't remember. | |
0 (0%) |
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Other | |
2 (6%) |
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1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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valerief
(53,235 posts)MineralMan
(146,307 posts)It's just a question about whether a person has read it. It's an important piece of writing in the Western World. It has had great influence on lots of things. I'm not asking if people believe the Bible, just whether they have read it. We're not having a religious discussion.
If I asked whether people had read Moby Dick or some Charles Dickens novel, or On Walden Pond, it would be a similar question.
valerief
(53,235 posts)MineralMan
(146,307 posts)It also purports to be history. I'm not a religious person, but I recognize that it has influenced western civilization. I've read most major works that have influenced western civilization. It's important in that regard, and reference to it are numerous, so it's been part of my education.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)There are some sections that go through the history of Israel, and the entire book has a huge place in western history.
I've read Mein Kampf because it was historically relevant. I think Nazis were and are disgusting, but that doesn't mean that our history wasn't hugely affected by the warped theories laid out in that book. So I read it.
Just because someone reads something doesn't believe one believes something.
REP
(21,691 posts)There was absolutely no discussion about the content of the book or the rightness or wrongness of the translations from a theological standpoint; the focus was on changes in the language, poetry, etc. read that way, parts of it can be quite good reading (I never saw a great version of the 'begats').
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)a particular religious text. If it just asked about the text, maybe not a religious thread, but 'I'm a Christian' and 'I'm not a Christian' are personal and religious questions which have not to do with the question 'have you read it'. Your question is two questions.
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)Others are participating. I don't expect everyone to do that in any poll. There is no compulsion to participate.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)however as a substantial portion of politicians believe it to be the lteral word of "God" and use it to make policy, it is a GD topic.
valerief
(53,235 posts)MineralMan
(146,307 posts)our Constitution is based on it is a liar about having read one or the other.
valerief
(53,235 posts)MineralMan
(146,307 posts)a politician who says that the Constitution is based on the Bible are currently being discussed here on DU.
I also have a poll about how many have recently read the Constitution.
This is not a religion thread. I don't care about religion, which is why I asked the question of both Christians and non-Christians.
malthaussen
(17,195 posts)... but not, I think, in DU.
Depends on how literal you want to be.
-- Mal
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)It's not a simple discussion, and wouldn't be that interesting for many. I've had it a number of times, though, or have attempted to have it. Proponents of the idea that the two are connected don't seem to stick to the discussion very long.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Would that be different? Ayn Rand's works are considered the "Bible" of the Libertarian movement.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I would not have taken part in the poll because I'm not religious, and don't go in the religion group...but I have read the bible.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)of answers to your question.
Tikki
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...the first two reads had convinced me it was a fairy tale!
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)a bunch of nonsense cobbled together, especially the book of revelations. I thought of it as akin to an indoctrination manual.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)"...have read the entire Bible"
I am an atheist and have read a good bit of the Bible, not not all.
Also, WHICH Bible, there are a number of versions.
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)As for different translations, I don't think that matters very much for this question. Personally, I've read three different translations over my lifetime. They all say pretty the same things.
I have not read every book in the Catholic Bible, even though I am now nominally Catholic.
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Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)My Mom she lived the bible. bible study, bible school, she taught it everything.. But she knew NOTHING aobut it. She couldn't get the jeopardy answers most of the time. Weird that book, so many characters, so much dialog etc.....
RC
(25,592 posts)She said she had read the entire Bible 6 or 7 times and planed to read it again. Me, a non-believer knew more about the Bible than she did.
She had a masters in education and otherwise was quite intelligent. But she believed what she believed.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Me too! (at approximately the same time that I first read the book in question)
And ASOIAF many times.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Frankly, I find them to be horribly BORING. I don't think any of the versions are well written and the stories are a bit lame and obvious, the lessons--for want of a better word, and this word has been over-used here lately--patriarchal, and there's far too much smiting and violence and revenge and dumb-ass rules.
Of course, if you look around the world, there are a lot of people still buying off on those attitudes and pulling that same stupid BS, so I suppose we haven't come too far in a couple of thousand years, in some respects.
EvilAL
(1,437 posts)the entire bible as in both New and Old Testaments. I answered that I read the entire bible, but I really only entirely read the New Testament and that was when I was very young.
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)the question, which continued from the title. Maybe you missed that.
EvilAL
(1,437 posts)malthaussen
(17,195 posts)... I'm a firm believer in knowing my enemy.
I have also spent a bit of time studying theology and exegesis. I prefer to have at least a nodding acquaintance with a subject before I discuss it.
-- Mal
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)My guess is 5%
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Turns out that was probably a bad idea to force someone to read the whole thing and then demand they ignore the inconsistencies and evil stuff.
Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)...(my father was a pentecostal minister, I had no choice), it was later that I lost my faith. And reading the entire thing contributed to me rejecting religion.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)seabeckind
(1,957 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain
However, I'm not Christian and have read much of the Bible and a number of books about the Bible. And, I agree with Twain's synopsis of the contents.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Bible was one of the subjects that was required. I also further studied it in a literature class on mythology in college.
think
(11,641 posts)There are some NT writings of Paul that I'm probably not real familiar with as well though I've read them.....
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)referential to Old Testament figures and stories in western culture that it always has seemed that a thorough reading of the Bible makes sense in relation to all of the other literature and philosophy.
I will admit to skimming through Numbers, though.
Rex
(65,616 posts)but not very often.
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)Interesting, though, in their own right. The same can be said of the Quran.
I've also read the Book of Mormon, which only goes to show that I've been persistent in my reading of religious scriptures.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Doesn't make me a christian for doing so and it also doesn't make me a believer nor does it make me a better person. For me it is inspirational and foments introspect ...it also has provided me an understanding of what's wrong with other believers understanding and my own. Most are misdirected and the truth is maligned by wolves posing as preachers and teachers. I will say this ...IMO everyone will not be lost. I base that on what most believe. 1) God is perfect 2) God is everywhere throughout time 3) God knows everything 4) God is all powerful. So God has no plan B or He is not perfect. He is not caught off guard or He is not all knowing. No one can be "lost" or God is a loser. ...and I got a lot more where that came from.
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)other scriptures. I'm interested in human history and philosophy, and scriptures are interesting in both regards.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Reading others with that one in mind can and does change what is understood. The other major change in understanding what is being said is to apply this ...when Jesus said or did anything it should be kept in mind that He was living under the old covenant and was bound by that covenant. A lot of conflicts can be eliminated with that.
Johonny
(20,850 posts)At some point I got bored and realized there was other better written stuff to read. I found I enjoyed reading bible criticism and those interesting section of the bible than it is to read the whole thing. It turns out the good book has lots of stuff that is boring and that is seldom read. I imagine piece by piece I'll read the whole thing but then what does it mean to read the whole thing if translation matters... oh the problems with loaded subjects
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)Numbers, in particular. I confess to skimming through that book fairly quickly, more to see all of the names, since some reoccur. But, compelling writing it is not.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I no longer consider myself a Christian, since that term has been co-opted by the Talibangelicals. I'm more of a Jesusonian. I like the things he taught quite a bit, but I'm not down with that whole "divine" thing unless one considers that we're ALL divine, and since I'm agnostic about the existence of god, that's probably not legit.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)I they would not let me take another science course, even though that was interesting, had to take a literature course. We also read several books analyzing the bible as history and as myth. I barely passed the exam because it asked questions like how many brothers and sisters did Jesus have? it was 6. I don't remember reading that anywhere .
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)WatermelonRat
(340 posts)Definitely the New Testament, though I'm not sure I ever got to the middle/later Old Testament.
longship
(40,416 posts)They are crushingly dull, especially in the King James Version which used out of date language even when it was first published.
I have an interest in the Bible, but does it have to suck as a read? I am not expecting Stephen King, but a good modern and accurate translation would be very helpful.
Alas, I'll likely will not ever read the whole thing.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)but how do you write a book that is basically a family tree without boring the crap out of everyone.
Now Leviticus, I found very entertaining. What's not to like about all the insane laws that were listed?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)because getting through Numbers is impossible. So I skipped it after a few pages of mind-numbing boredom. But I have read most of the rest of it. I may have gotten bored with a few other places and skipped them as well. I first thought that I would start at the beginning and just read it that way, but after a few attempts, and getting stopped at Numbers, I had to come up with a better plan that did not include sections that made me stop.
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)Your evaluation might have something to do with why so many Bible thumpers
are totally oblivious to it.
Did you ever read Numbers 5:11-31
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)No, I did not get that far....didn't get past the first chapter and decided it was best to skip that book. Silly me.
It rather sounds like a test for witches, give them a poison and if they don't die, they were not witches. Of course, most usually died, witch or not. Same goes for this ritual---a pure woman will not miscarry. Yeah, right.
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)support a child that he suspects is not his.
Clever, huh?
Clearly, though, the result of the process is to abort any fetus.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)creepy ritual stuff
oh yeah and something to miscarry =bitter herb tincture
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5:11-31&version=KJV
I would like to see that old movie The Devil again
tblue37
(65,342 posts)I have read the whole thing more than once, read widely in literary, historical, and anthropological analyses of the bible, and taken college courses in the subject, as well, even though I am an atheist.
I think nonbelievers often know a whole lot more about the bible and about Judaism and Christianity than believers do.
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)have identified themselves as "Christian" at one point in their lives,
but no longer do so?
That's me.
I used to go to Sunday school classes and have read a fair amount
of the Bible--but not all of it.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Or are you toning down the intellect for the bible thumpers
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Not Catholic now (or for 30+ years)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, how precisely does one "read" that?
TBF
(32,060 posts)A good portion of it over the years however. Sermons, Sunday School etc ... I consider myself agnostic but will attend church now if someone wants to go (the aforementioned lessons are from many years ago).
Agony
(2,605 posts)why waste any more time with poorly sourced crap like that when there is gobs of reality based stuff to read?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)of it. It never sunk in, I guess.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)most of it, but just ran out of interest towards the end of the New Testaments. It was interesting coming across passages in sermons that I had heard in the past and seeing the full context of the passage.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I am more of a fan of the NT.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)requiring posters to declare some religion (or not) before answering whether or not we've read the entire book.
I studied the thing when I was a child, thru two years of catechism beginning at age thirteen, read it twice during that time, confirmed at fifteen, refused to take communion with my class one week after that confirmation. Have read it again, along with most of the other religious texts, since my youth and those further studies confirmed my belief that none of them are very good books.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)King James, life application study bible, and a couple more. Liked the life application study bible best, although it solidified my lack of belief.
I truly never believed any of it, and I would pray as a child to be able to believe like everyone else.
Just couldn't do it. I don't even believe Jesus was ever one living person.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)and it wasn't an easy thing to finally admit during the early sixties, in the area where I was raised. But, as you've said, studying the book is what actually brought me to a very certain realization.
If you've never seen this, you might appreciate Yvonne Elliman's song, as Mary Magdalene in Jesus Christ Superstar:
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,691 posts)out of curiosity, not religious conviction. Still not sure why I did it; maybe because it was there.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)And I'm agnostic I guess. So I dunno what I should vote. I wouldn't have read it otherwise. But I did enjoy it as a young kid. The Old Testament was full of stories I eagerly read. Not believed so much.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)When I was in high school, I DID want to read in context all the bits spouted at me by relatives and neighbors in their efforts to "save" me, so I read the whole thing. Twice. It didn't "save" me. I did find it fascinating, though, as a lover of stories, and a lover of history, historical fiction, and mythology; it DID spark my life-long interest in comparative religion.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)I am an atheist, I might add.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)may have skimmed begats
MineralMan
(146,307 posts)For me, at least. If someone says she is a Christian, then she is, by definition.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)undefined
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I have read the bible. I am a human being. I believe in all major religions; most minor ones; and no religion whatsoever.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)then read through the King James Version twice before I was 18 years old.
Prayed! Gawd, I prayed. Desperate to be "filled with the holy spirit" and to be saved from a bad family situation and homelessness.
I was an Awana superstar. Knew ALL the bible verse challenges.
Tried on every faith on campus during my college years before finally graduating, and shedding, any desire for a faith based life.
Best decision of my life. I simply stopped trying to make myself believe - anything - and finally found peace. True inner peace in atheism.
I think most atheists have more knowledge of religious texts than those who claim to be believers.