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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:18 AM Feb 2014

Obama Nominates SOPA Lobbyist for TPP Trade Post

From The Nation Magazine (http://www.thenation.com/blog/178575/obama-nominates-sopa-lobbyist-tpp-trade-post#)

By Lee Fang

President Obama nominates Robert Holleyman as deputy US trade representative. If confirmed by the US Senate, Holleyman will help lead the effort to pass the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

"Holleyman is a former lobbyist who led efforts to pass the Stop Online Privacy Act legislation, better known as SOPA, when he was leader of the Business Software Alliance. The SOPA debate (along with its sister legislation, PROTECT-IP, in the Senate) brought a spotlight on industry efforts to undermine Internet freedom through what many considered to be draconian intellectual property policy."

"Critics have pointed out, the leaked TPP documents relating to TPP negotiations reveal that the United States is seeking to resurrect portions of the SOPA bill through the TPP, namely, holding Internet Service Providers liable for hosting copyright infringement and extending the copyright life of certain corporate-owned copyrights."

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Obama Nominates SOPA Lobbyist for TPP Trade Post (Original Post) rhett o rick Feb 2014 OP
Okay. Autumn Feb 2014 #1
Perfect fit. jsr Feb 2014 #2
So I guess that Obama campaign shit about him being anti lobbyist was bullshit? L0oniX Feb 2014 #3
Hall-of-Fame Worthy. woo me with science Feb 2014 #6
Right? truebrit71 Feb 2014 #22
Marketeer of the year award BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #23
I thought there was; One from column A, or One from column B? fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #33
Yep sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #31
The article is reposted from republicreport. L0oniX Feb 2014 #4
The article link goes to the "Nation" website KoKo Feb 2014 #9
It may be just back links to get Google ranking. L0oniX Feb 2014 #14
Why wouldn't it be? dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #10
Heh ...didn't imply there was anything wrong with that or Fang... L0oniX Feb 2014 #13
They always have that donate pop up box on their web site. KoKo Feb 2014 #17
Fang rox. L0oniX Feb 2014 #18
Concerning JJChambers Feb 2014 #15
Hmmm ...twisty. L0oniX Feb 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author L0oniX Feb 2014 #19
Business-As-Usual Obama Armstead Feb 2014 #5
Hard to imagine picking someone with a more pro-corporate, anti-public sector cali Feb 2014 #7
Oh ...Citibank and Bank of America paid bonuses to them ...to do what? L0oniX Feb 2014 #11
Thanks for the Link to Original...Since some might find the "donate box" KoKo Feb 2014 #20
Now let's not jump to conclusions here. We havent seen the final TPP agreement rhett o rick Feb 2014 #25
Why do you hate freedom Rhett O Rick? zeemike Feb 2014 #29
Because freedom carries so many responsibilities. Abject naivete is so nice. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #35
recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #8
Sigh....... KoKo Feb 2014 #12
It's becoming old hat. "Democratic President appoints another conservative." nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #46
But the Prez isn't a Hall-of-fame bullshit artist... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #21
and this is why the ridiculous indignation over the suggestion cali Feb 2014 #24
The president just hired that guy so he can keep a close eye on him. QC Feb 2014 #26
"Cabinet of Rivals! Cabinet of Rivals!!!" yeah, we remember--but the point was never to convince MisterP Feb 2014 #28
Well, it was also about silencing criticism. QC Feb 2014 #37
authoritarianism and authoritarian policy go well together MisterP Feb 2014 #39
Using that theory, is he keeping an eye on Clapper? Was he before Snowden. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #34
I suspect it's more like Clapper is keeping an eye on the president, QC Feb 2014 #36
You mean the "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" meme? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #42
I think some pushing that meme were very smart, if cynical, QC Feb 2014 #44
Tells you all you really need to know about this administration, in a nutshell villager Feb 2014 #27
Freudian Slip? Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #30
Good catch. woo me with science Feb 2014 #40
I agree, a Freudian slip. Good catch. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #43
Par For The Course... WillyT Feb 2014 #32
Why do documents about TPP have to "leaked" in Obama's "transparent" government? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #38
it's just a two-minute prayer!!12 frylock Feb 2014 #41
At some point a *Shrug* factor develops as an acknowledgement of the expected. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #45
I know...I feel the way you do... KoKo Feb 2014 #48
It isn't selling. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #50
Some bullshit artists work in watercolors, the masters work in oils kenny blankenship Feb 2014 #47
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #49

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. The article link goes to the "Nation" website
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:36 AM
Feb 2014

I've also seen Lee Fang on "Democracy Now".... Fang has his own investigative Web Site...but, I don't know the name of it.

ON EDIT: "Republic Report" seems to be his new website.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
14. It may be just back links to get Google ranking.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:42 AM
Feb 2014

From The Nation: "This post was originally published at RepublicReport.org"

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
10. Why wouldn't it be?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:37 AM
Feb 2014

Something I don't know?

Lee Fang is very credible, I've seen him interviewed and read his articles a number of times. IIRC he's a frequent guest of Thom Hartmann.

From the republicreport.org's "about" page:

Republic Report’s Lee Fang is a reporting fellow with The Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute and a Contributing Writer with The Nation magazine. He covers money in politics, conservative movements and lobbying. Lee’s work has resulted in multiple calls for hearings in Congress and the Federal Election Commission. He has interviewed over fifty members of Congress, David Koch, and other political elites. He is author of The Machine: A Field Guide to the Resurgent Right, a recently published book on how the right-wing political infrastructure was rebuilt after President Obama’s 2008 election. More on the book can be found at www.themachinebook.com.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
13. Heh ...didn't imply there was anything wrong with that or Fang...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:40 AM
Feb 2014

but the op does ask for support for The Nation.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. They always have that donate pop up box on their web site.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:53 AM
Feb 2014

They need money to support the print magazine... So...its not new that they put it up with this post from Fang.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
15. Concerning
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:42 AM
Feb 2014

Shouldn't an article's worthiness be judged based on it's content and accuracy, rather than the source website? In a case like this, either the appointee is a corporate shill, or he isn't. I don't see how the source website should automatically invalidate the alarming nature of this appointment.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
16. Hmmm ...twisty.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:51 AM
Feb 2014

The ops asks for support of The Nation. I am in agreement. The original post was not from The Nation. That is all there is to it ...but go on because seeing what is not being said is a favourite past time on DU. For your info ...Google uses back links to rank. When publishing it is standard to create or spread links to and from other sites. I would have thought a poster would provide the original link though ...begs the question if the link is allowed on DU.

Response to JJChambers (Reply #15)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. Hard to imagine picking someone with a more pro-corporate, anti-public sector
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:33 AM
Feb 2014

background.

This is absolutely fitting with appointing Froman with his Citibank background and Islam Siddiqui as Chief Agricultural Negotiator. Siddiqui came from a longtime background of lobbying for Bayer Crop Life, Monsanto, DuPont, etc.


 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
11. Oh ...Citibank and Bank of America paid bonuses to them ...to do what?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:37 AM
Feb 2014

During the SOPA debate, Holleyman was chief executive of the Business Software Alliance, a trade group for software companies including IBM. Holleyman commended then-Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith for his work in sponsoring SOPA and for pushing for its passage. In 2012, as the bill worked its way through Congress, the BSA spent over $1.6 million on lobbying. After widespread outrage against the bill, which eventually failed, BSA withdrew official support and sought similar policy changes through other legislation.

If the Senate approves Holleyman as the next deputy trade representative, he will have another opportunity to advance SOPA-style policy.

Last week, Republic Report broke several stories regarding the TPP, including bonuses paid by CitiGroup and Bank of America to officials also tapped by the administration to lead the TPP deal. We also reported on media companies and their lobbying efforts on the bill — which have been extensive, despite the lack of coverage media outlets are devoting to the issue.

http://www.republicreport.org/2014/bsa-tpp/

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. Thanks for the Link to Original...Since some might find the "donate box"
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:59 AM
Feb 2014

at "Nation" offensive or they can't unblock it to read the whole article.

I think that was your point...that others might want to go to the Original Post to read the whole article and the other articles there. So thanks for the additional link...


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. Now let's not jump to conclusions here. We havent seen the final TPP agreement
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:32 PM
Feb 2014

therefore we have no reasons to suspect................ ah shit, we have a load of reasons to believe the TPP will be pro-Corporate.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. Because freedom carries so many responsibilities. Abject naivete is so nice.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:47 PM
Feb 2014

By the way, my favorite flavor is cherry.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
21. But the Prez isn't a Hall-of-fame bullshit artist...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:00 PM
Feb 2014

...at least not according to some around here...



Another appointment, another fucking sellout....

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. and this is why the ridiculous indignation over the suggestion
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:09 PM
Feb 2014

that he's a bullshitter, is so creepy.

Of course he's a great bullshitter. Most good politicians are. And yeah, he's VERY PRO CORPORATE.

DUH.

QC

(26,371 posts)
26. The president just hired that guy so he can keep a close eye on him.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:36 PM
Feb 2014

Now the man works for Obama so he has to do exactly what Obama says.

This is a very, very smart chess move.

(Remember that excuse for the dismaying appointments we started seeing right after the 2008 election?)

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
28. "Cabinet of Rivals! Cabinet of Rivals!!!" yeah, we remember--but the point was never to convince
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:49 PM
Feb 2014

it was to reframe thinking and buy time

QC

(26,371 posts)
37. Well, it was also about silencing criticism.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:51 PM
Feb 2014

Can't have people saying critical things about their public officials. Just ain't fittin'.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
34. Using that theory, is he keeping an eye on Clapper? Was he before Snowden.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:45 PM
Feb 2014

I realize it isnt your theory.

QC

(26,371 posts)
36. I suspect it's more like Clapper is keeping an eye on the president,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:50 PM
Feb 2014

now that you mention it.

But yeah, don't you remember the constant assertions that the reason the president was filling up his administration with Monsanto lobbyists and stock swindlers and the like was so that he could closely monitor them and make them behave?

That was a classic!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. You mean the "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" meme?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:03 PM
Feb 2014

Well that meme takes for granted that when you have your enemies close, YOU WONT LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO!!

Those that try to use that meme to explain why Obama has appointed so many "enemies", are not very smart.

QC

(26,371 posts)
44. I think some pushing that meme were very smart, if cynical,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:25 PM
Feb 2014

and used it as a way to silence criticism, but others were trying to square Campaigning Obama with Governing Obama.

I remember getting my heart broken by Bill Clinton, who taught me not to fall in love with politicians. I was young and taken in by his charm--not to mention traumatized by watching Mondale and Dukakis bomb in my first two elections--and I fell hard for Clinton.

Soon enough, I discovered that he was more interested in making his enemies love him than looking out for the people who got him elected, and all the other problems he brought to his presidency, and I stopped falling in love with politicians. It was a good lesson.

I still like Clinton, and I think he was probably the best we could have gotten at the time. I feel the same way about Obama. I like him fine and voted for him twice and still think that was the right thing to do, as I live in a swing state with a lot of electoral votes.

I just don't do the whole fan thing about politicians anymore.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
30. Freudian Slip?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:05 PM
Feb 2014

I believe SOPA is the Stop Online Piracy Act

The second paragraph refers to it as the Stop Online Privacy Act. That sounds more like an appropriations bill for the NSA, but it probably applies to SOPA as well.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
38. Why do documents about TPP have to "leaked" in Obama's "transparent" government?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:53 PM
Feb 2014

I guess "World Class Bulshitter" answers that, and many other, questions.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
45. At some point a *Shrug* factor develops as an acknowledgement of the expected.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:29 PM
Feb 2014

3rd Way president initiates 3rd Way policies....and tries to sell them as beneficial.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
48. I know...I feel the way you do...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:01 PM
Feb 2014

many times. Then I kick myself in the butt and listen to Chomsky and find a Seeger or Springsteen You Tube....and rock myself into action.. What action ...these days..I don't know but they are out there. "Moral Mondays in the South....It's something..

But damned if it isn't hard to keep that MoJo going........without help.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
47. Some bullshit artists work in watercolors, the masters work in oils
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:30 PM
Feb 2014

Oils have a rich and deep saturated color you can't get from lesser media. For a talented bullshit artist, they make possible vivid bold strokes you can believe in. Audacious colors. True colors.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
49. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:37 AM
Mar 2014

Thank you, rhett o rick!

The President is WRONG! Admit the President is wrong. Criticize the President for this in hopes of changing his position.

Remember, "Hold my feet to the fire. Make me do it."

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