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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDem Power Brokers kept many "liberals" out of FL races. Bvar22 is right about "beat downs".
I was just reading his post about how the Left HAS taken many "Beat Downs" from the Party Power Brokers.
He tells about how the party leaders, the WH and the election committees, stepped in and interfered in state primaries.
They have done so much of that in Florida. These are only instances that I know of personally, and most of them are from the early to mid 2000s. We were very active politically here at that time, and it was painful to see.
Here's what the DCCC under Rahm did in FL's 16th district with the help of then state party chairwoman, Karen Thurman.
Mahoney vs Lutrin....what was done in FL 16th by Rahm and Thurman.
Remember Tim Mahoney? He had an affair and lost miserably. He had replaced a strong union supporter and liberal school teacher, David Lutrin. Dave was forced out of the face by Rahm and Karen Thurman. On purpose. Deliberately.
David Lutrin, a school teacher, union activist and staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal from Iraq, decided to run against Foley before Mahoney entered the race. After Mahoney declared his candidacy, Lutrin was contacted by field organizers for the DCCC who asked him to drop out and let Mahoney run unopposed.
Lutrin said that he also met personally with Mahoney. During a three- hour breakfast meeting, Mahoney offered Lutrin a higher-paying job if he agreed to drop out of the primary. "Mahoney tried to get me to run in a different district. He offered me a job at one of his non-profit organizations where he said that I would make more than I was making as a teacher. He said I could campaign full time while working at his non-profit as long as I agreed to drop out of the race," Lutrin said. Lutrin declined the job offer.
According to Lutrin, when he refused to step aside, the DCCC shored up local political support for Mahoney. The local AFL-CIO chapter, of which Lutrin was a member, came out with an early endorsement of Mahoney's campaign. According to Lutrin, the union told him that "they would like to back a fellow union brother, but Mahoney has more money and more political support from the party." Lutrin eventually dropped out of the race when the local teachers' union decided to support Mahoney.
Screwed by your own union. No doubt they had pressure or promises or both from Rahm and Karen.
Earlier on there was Jan Schneider. I know of this one from personal experience.
More on the tale of what the DCCC is doing in Florida's 13th District.
Las Vegas, NV (PRWEB via PR Web Direct) March 16, 2006 -- In 2004, Jan Schneider ran the closest Congressional race in the State of Florida -- and she did it against incumbent Congresswoman Katherine Harris! Some prominent friends, relatives and associates in Las Vegas, Nevada -- including local Congresswoman Shelley Berkley (D-Las Vegas), foundation chair Elahé Mir-Djalali Omidyar (mother of eBay founder Pierre Omidyar), prominent physician and philanthropist Dr. Parvin Modaber Jacobs and actor and artist Tony Curtis -- are helping Schneider win the open seat Harris is vacating to run against Florida Senator Bill Nelson. They are throwing a fundraiser at the luxurious Grand Salon, Park Towers, One Hughes Center Drive in Las Vegas tomorrow, March 17, from 5:30 to 7:30 PM. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has also previously contributed to the Schneider campaign.
Who Is Jan Schneider?
In 2004, to repeat, Schneider ran the closest Congressional race in the state of Florida. She held incumbent Congresswoman and former Florida Secretary of State Harris to a margin of 55% to 45%. Despite the heavily Republican registration in the Florida 13th Congressional District (roughly 50% Republican to 30% Democratic to 20% other), as a political unknown, Schneider managed to capture the hearts and minds of large portions of the local electorate. An independent-minded person who is appalled by the extreme partisanship affecting both political parties in Washington these days, Schneider is committed to putting the interests of the country and her constituents first.
A straight-shooting Yale-educated lawyer with a Ph.D. in political science from Yale. Schneider has three decades of experience as a practicing lawyer, educator and author. She also has a 30-year history of fighting for public interest causes, particularly in the areas of environmental protection, womens rights, the arts and public housing. Among other things, Schneider is the author of two books and dozens of articles on environmental protection, and she currently provides pro bono legal services to residents of Sarasota public housing projects. For further information, consult her website at www.VoteJan.com .
Her primary opponent, Christine Jennings, came into the race with the support of the DCCC...which led to Barbara Boxer's support, and so on.
About Christine Jennings
"SARASOTA COUNTY -- In just over an hour on Tuesday morning, Democrat Christine Jennings raised more than $100,000 in political contributions in her bid to win a seat in Congress.
While $100,000 in a day is not abnormal for Republican fund-raisers in Sarasota County, it's a surprising one-day haul for a Democrat. In 2004, Jennings raised $264,000 during her entire campaign. Boxer said she wouldn't have made time for the fund-raiser if she didn't think Jennings could win. She said she checked with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee before agreeing to do the fund-raiser with Jennings.
"What did it for me was the fact that the DCCC said she can win," Boxer said.
Boxer isn't the first big name national Democrat to support Jennings. Political action committees for former presidential candidate John Kerry, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and DCCC Chairman Rahm Emmanuel have all contributed to Jennings campaign
Screwed by the DCCC. This one was personal for us.
I get almost 20 emails a day from progressives running in campaigns this time. Probably it is a result of still belonging to the DFA, run by Jim Dean. It is definitely a result of our surfeit of donations during the years of the Dean campaign.
When I think of what the Power Brokers of the party have done in Florida...just the stuff I know about on a personal level, I find myself being very cautious with my donations. Why? Because I remember how those Power Brokers played a role along with the media in the end of the Dean Campaign. And I can't forget.
The battle and its early beginnings
Liberal Oasis on Howard Dean and the DLC
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/00...
SNIP.."May 16, 2003 PERMALINK
The "Smear Dean" Campaign Is On
(posted May 16 2:15 AM ET)
(minor edit May 16 12:45 PM ET)
The DLC memo is titled "The Real Soul of the Democratic Party."
But it should be "Kneecapping Howard Dean."
However, it is so ludicrously ham-handed, Dean trumpeted it himself on his campaign web site. (A smart rapid response that bodes well for the future.)
If the memo was a principled argument over what the party should stand for, that would be fine. You can have honorable disagreements within one's party.
But the memo is nothing but a string of half-truths and contradictions designed to ward off insiders from backing Dean, while at the same time undermine Dean's support from the Left....."
My late hubby and I both thought, as did all the others in our campaign group here....indys, Republicans, Democrats....that what we were doing would make a difference. We thought our enthusiasm would bring change. It didn't, and the disillusionment has been hard to shake.
elleng
(130,895 posts)or DSCC.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the candidate or the circumstances are very special.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.
''At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant,'' Wasserman Schultz said.
The decision comes as Democrats believe they have their best shot in years to defeat at least one of the Cuban-American incumbents with a roster of Democrats that include former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, opposing Lincoln Diaz-Balart; outgoing Miami-Dade Democratic party chair Joe Garcia, opposing Mario Diaz-Balart; and businesswoman Annette Taddeo, opposing Ros-Lehtinen.
But Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their ties to the three Republicans are personal as well as professional: Both served in the state Legislature with Mario Diaz-Balart and say they work in concert with all three on South Florida issues.
I call that party disloyalty. So Wasserman-Schultz best not lecture any one who questions policy. Seems she gave up that right in supporting right wing GOPers because they were friends.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see the corporate vipers finally being exposed for what they really are. It was difficult to have any hope whatsoever that we could clean up this party as long as the denial continued about what we are *really* dealing with.
Thanks for adding this to bvar22's stellar post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024586209
Both of these should be on the Greatest Page.
When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556
When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432
GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Ways Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116
The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414
Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Because it's the truth.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)in NC after we Dean (and many Kucinich) Activists worked hard to start a Progressive movement to re-energize our Democratic Party.
We were doing great and worked hard for Kerry (although he wasn't our preferred) and worked harder after he lost. Obama won NC in 2008 and right after election it seemed the funding from Dem Party and the activists his campaign had on the ground just stopped. Part was the demise of ACORN...but the rest seemed deliberate. The candidates our Dem Party selected to run were Dino insiders and in 2010 we lost both our House and Senate and NC was Republican in both houses for the first time in 200 years.... The RW Republicans/Alec and Koch Brothers and our local RW Corporatist Art Pope took over and turned the state into their playground with a newly elected Republican Governor who was supposed to be Moderate but turned out being run by the above mentioned Conservative idealogues.
Gerrymandering meant that my district only had a Republican to vote for because our Progressive Dem was redistricted out...(just as Kucinich was in Ohio) so a strong voice for Wall Street reform was lost and we were left with the Repug. Now for our Mid-Terms we have Republican seats uncontested because with the gerrymandering we can't find a Dem who can run against the money of the entrenched Republican. Uncontested seats because the gerrymandering was so severe the districts are designed to have such a high percentage of conservative voters that even a DINO couldn't have a chance.
We are working hard with law suits and foundation help (ACLU/Common Cause, Southern Poverty Law Center) to try to get overturn what the Republicans have done. But, in one lawsuit that Eric Holder could have helped us on he said he "..didn't have enough information to proceed with the Voter ID/Early Voting Restrictions and so couldn't go forward until 2015...which is after the Mid-Terms!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thank goodness!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Betcha they're sorry now.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)But endorsed right-wing Democrats who ran for governor in other states.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:30 AM - Edit history (1)
Quite a few Massachusetts Democrats came out for Scott Brown against Coakley, but these same Democrats were silent when Brown ran for re-election against Warren. I can't think of an innocent explanation for that. Coakley's candidacy received little to no DNC support, while Warren had been encouraged to run.
On edit: I mean nothing whatever against Warren, who gets more and more of my support. I mean only that it seemed that the DNC supported her candidacy, for whatever reason, even before the primary, while it did not seem to support Coakley's after the primary.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Besides friends and family of the Ameraults, of course.
merrily
(45,251 posts)(Sorry. I did not see this sooner.)
It was only a handful, but the ads ran.
At the time, a rep from the state Democratic Party said something like, no surprise, these were conservatives who always endorsed Republicans. However, I saw no such ads and heard of no such endorsements when Warren ran. In fact, I cannot recall another time when I saw ads and endorsements from state Democrats on behalf of any Republican running office, certainly not any statewide or federal office.
Again, this is nothing against either Warren or Coakley.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I do remember it. Thanks.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)He would not have created Super Delegates.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Florida Democrats are supporting Crist. Why?
Democratic newcomer Charlie Crist says he has no plans to debate his leading rival, Nan Rich, in a party primary as they both run for governor.
Im not even thinking about that right now, to be honest with you, Crist told reporters Tuesday evening outside a Greenspoon Marder law firm fundraiser in Fort Lauderdale.
I am focused on doing everything I can to help the people of Florida, he said. And this is not really a race about candidates. This is a race about the people of our state.
Reached by phone, Rich a longtime Democrat and former party leader in the state Senate from Weston took issue with Crists stance.
- more -
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/29/3900519/charlie-crist-not-even-thinking.html
merrily
(45,251 posts)situations are not even a little comparable.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Not the same situation at all.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Two = choice.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Crist is just about as "liberal" as any Florida Democratic leader is. FL Dems in leadership are a different breed. They have been more like conservatives so long that it's often hard to tell the difference.
I like Nan Rich. I will vote for the one who can beat Rick Scott.
I find things with which I disagree in stances taken by both of them.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Yeah, OK.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Can't have that now can they?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And that is not the direction they want to go.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)we might vote for the liberal candidates. If we have too many truly liberal politicians they might start making big money people pay their fair share of taxes so we can rebuild our social safety net and infrastructure.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)If we had our choice we would vote in a more liberal congress.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Why I am an indie and do not give a red cent to the party.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)from now on.
merrily
(45,251 posts)you at least have a track record to look at, if you choose to look.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)There are those who knew Obama would not be a left leaning liberal. Compare him to Kucinich and you can tell the difference. Those of us who voted for Obama heard what we wanted to hear. Well, this time my eyes and ears are open and I will be paying much closer attention to both campaign speeches and voting records.
merrily
(45,251 posts)2008 when it came to Obama. Not only that, I defended him in heated debates with Republican posters on political boards that allowed all points of view. And with Hillary supporters in the primary--not that I would have voted for Hillary. By 2012, I could not vote for him.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024588564
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)If you read the last link in my OP you will see that my point is well made. My point in the OP is the power plays against those who speak out against the current party trends to the right.
Not going to argue the point because I often disagreed with many of Dean's more centrist views. Some of them I felt he took for convenience.
However the fact remains that the power brokers in the party took the chance of losing his supporters by ridiculing him and us as fringe.
They did not care if we came or went or voted or not. They had enough power and money to get what they wanted and go where they wanted to go.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The 50-State Strategy was about electing more Democrats. As you can see, many of them were blue dogs.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)You just helped me make my point.
merrily
(45,251 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Don't try to breath into it more than there is.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)be looking for the most progressive candidate not just in our district but everywhere else also.
The reason given for not supporting the Progressive Candidates is always the same 's/he doesn't have a chance in this area/district or whatever. And then they make that happen.
I will never listen to that excuse again, Progressive could have won many times if we had refused to listen to that kind of negative nonsense. You sure you can't win if you don't try. So never again will I donate to an organization that time and time again has sabotaged Progressive Dems.
Excellent OP, MD, thanks for posting as we will need to be working very hard to get actual Democrats elected in these next few elections.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)and did not support our Dem candidates..she showed true colors.
Yes, they make it happen that progressives don't have chances.
merrily
(45,251 posts)that liberals can't win elections. It's a neat little circle they've created.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Election in favor of the REPUBLICAN. Buono could have won that election. NJ is a Blue state with enough Dem voters to have defeated a Republican. But instead, they gave the Dem candidate no financial support, using that same old excuse 'she can't defeat Christie' which was ridiculous, he was very vulnerable due to his handling of Sandy and already beginning to hear from the voters about it. But 61 elected Dems in NJ endorsed and voted for him leading all those Dem voters to believe he was some kind of moderate and that the Dem candidate didn't have a chance.
So no, no donations to any organization that SUPPORTS REPUBLICANS. It is an outrage really and we've had more than enough. I think if everyone gets behind the Progressive candidates they CAN win.
cprise
(8,445 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)there in favor of the Republican also. While WE are told we can NEVER support ANYONE but a Dem, it appears the Party can support Republicans over Progressive Dems when they want to. I think we need the Party to explain this, especially the NJ race. I KNOW Buono, a good Democrat has spoken out about how she was treated by her own party, but I have not seen ANY explanation, or apology to her so far. I hope she runs again and I hope she wins, I would donate to her campaign.
cprise
(8,445 posts)should both keep in mind:
Paupers should be harangued and feel guilty if they so much as cast a vote for any non-Democrat, but the corporate aristocrats in and outside of the Democratic party can play the bi-partisanship card and remain unscathed.
Democrats have internalized a fundamental disrespect for democracy.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"The last straw for me was the Dem Party abandoning the Dem Candidate in the NJ Gubernatorial"
...not only did no one give a shit about Buono's race until it was over, but also comparing a bunch of corrupt weak ass state Democrats to the entire party is ludicrous.
There were many Democratic leaders like Lorretta Weinberg and John Wisniewski who stood up for Buono.
Buono Wins Key Endorsements For N.J. Gubernatorial Bid
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/28/buono-wins-key-endorsements-for-n-j-gubernatorial-bid/
Wisniewski rips administration over jobless rate, touts Buono as point person on minimum wage hike effort
http://www.politickernj.com/64217/wisniewski-rips-administration-over-jobless-rate-touts-buono-point-person-minimum-wage-hike-ef
Weinberg slams Dem Christie endorsements
http://www.politickernj.com/66360/weinberg-slams-dem-christie-endorsements
The problem in NJ was that the sellout Democrats had the a Christie complicit media pushing his re-election.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)would be easy to refute if not true, gave her no financial support.
Speak for yourself regarding 'no one gave a shit about Buono'. When ever those who DID 'give a shit' about yet another example of abandoning Progressive Dems in important elections, they were told the usual old nonsense about 'she doesn't have a chance' and 'Christie is too popular'. Christie was having huge problems over Sandy at that time which could easily have been used against him, but for reasons we have yet to be told, he was not just given a pass, and on his privatization of Education, a big issue for NJ Dems, he was ENDORSED by Democrats.
THOSE are the facts. So a few courageous Dems refused to go along, but a MAJORITY endorsed him. And back then the ones who refused were viewed in the same way Buono was by her own party, a nuisance.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Now I'm starting to see a real DU. Thank you.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thank you.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)18,000 uncounted votes
I have no opinion about Jennings primary opponent but Jennings did SUE to get the votes counted (in the general) and I respect her for that
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4020
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3959
BREAKING: JUDGE DENIES PLAINTIFF MOTION TO REVIEW PAPERLESS VOTING MACHINE SOURCE CODE IN CONTESTED FL-13 U.S. HOUSE ELECTION, PLAINTIFFS TO APPEAL
Judge finds Plaintiffs' Request for 'Access to Trade Secrets' of ES&S Would 'Result in Destroying, Gutting' Voting Machine Company's 'Protections,' Rules Jennings's, Voters' Motion Based on 'Nothing More Than Conjecture'
[FURTHER STORY UPDATES] Plaintiffs Announce They Will Appeal Decision, Additional Late Details on Congressional Challenge to House Seating of Buchanan...
By BRAD FRIEDMAN on 12/29/2006, 1:27pm PT
In a ruling issued this afternoon just prior to the Holiday weekend, the presiding Florida Circuit Court Judge William L. Gary denied the plaintiffs motion to allow review of the source code for the paperless touch-screen machines used in the contested U.S. House race in Florida's 13th district between Democrat Christine Jennings and Republican Vern Buchanan.
Jennings, and a number of Florida voters and Election Integrity organizations, had filed suit asking for a revote and to allow them to review the software used on the voting machines made by Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S), after some 18,000 votes seemed to have disappeared in the race to fill the U.S. House seat vacated by former FL Secretary of State Katherine Harris. The state has previously certified Buchanan as the winner by a 369 vote margin.
Gary's terse ruling [PDF], issued this afternoon denying the motion to compel the company to turn over their source code, states that ES&S has a right to keep their software hidden from review by both the Jennings camp and voters, supporting the company's "right" to keep their "trade secrets" protected.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I remember Bob Graham stood with Jan, but the election committees abandoned her. Jan had been making the rounds of local DFA and DEC meetings and getting out the vote for a long time....but like with Lutrin they decided someone else would be better.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)when Jennings sued to "open the blackboxes" she helped the election integrity movement show the non transparent methods florida was using at the time ,no paper ,nothing to count...she lost the case but it did lead to a law that required paper ballots
since then others have screwed up that reform and made it nearly impossible to hand count those paper ballots but we are still trying and it is rare for any pol to try and count the votes
I agree with your general point about the dnc discouraging liberals but want to point out it is the electronic counting systems and reporting systems that put the r's in place...and they are non transparent
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)So we will never know.
msongs
(67,403 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In many cases, too many of them.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I've been bitching about the Establishment Democrats interfering in primaries for, literally, decades now. THEORETICALLY, the Party is not supposed to pick sides until the people decide, by ballot, who the nominee will be. We all know that's not the way it happens. They are, at it's very essence, interfering with the Democratic process. One of the MANY MANY reasons I hate party politics.
The fact that the earliest primaries are held in states wholely unrepresentative of the rest of the United States is another very effective way of ensuring "their candidates" come out 1, 2 & 3. Interesting that New York and California's primaries are held too late to make any difference. By the time it gets to those 2 states, all other non-corporate candidates have been eliminated. Once, just ONE TIME, I'd like Iowa and New Hampshire to NOT go with the Establishment Dems but, alas, they seem to be well trained.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It makes a lot of sense. I never thought of it that way before, but you are right about their being unrepresentative.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Her Holiness, Di Feinstein basically selects who we get to vote for in gubernatorial matters here in California?
And on two recent occasions she determined to pick a "sure loser" so that Schwartzennegger got in. In the last election when Ahnold was running, the people's choice was Steve Westly, who had charisma and was well known in business circles.
So what does Di Fi do? Well, she proclaims the principle of "party discipline," that since Westly hadn't run before, or curried favor among "leaders" like her, she HAD TO chose for the Party one Phil Angelides. Angelides was unknown to most people in Northern California. And although well known in Southern California, that was mostly because of being such a crook. Plus he had the personality of a marshmallow that was mated with a ferret.
Understandably, the Republicans won that race! You have to wonder how much someone like Feinstein gets for doing the "R's" such a favor.Yet she is still considered part of Democratic Leadership...
jsr
(7,712 posts)Thanks!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)is that people were just swooning over a pro-NRA presidential candidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024333473
MT: Schweitzer leads fight against new federal fracking red tape
http://watchdog.org/24671/mt-schweitzer-leads-fight-against-new-federal-fracking-red-tape/
Brian Schweitzer, Would-Be Liberal Hero, is an NRA Darling
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116138/brian-schweitzer-2016-populist-hopeful-nra-darling
Montana's "Coal Cowboy" Gov. Schweitzer on huge new mine "The Land Board has made its decision."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/20/1122184/-Montana-s-Coal-Cowboy-Gov-Schweitzer-on-huge-coal-mine-The-Land-Board-has-made-its-decision
What's the difference between Schweitzer and Wendy Davis?
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Look at Elizabeth Warren.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)A threat to the power structure.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)Thanks for the post, madflo! Very important information!
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Thank You, madfloridian.
And people wonder HOW that Democratic Party became more conservative than Eisenhower Republicans. The American People didn't Move to the Right,
but the owners of the Political parties sure did.
You will know them by their WORKS.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yes, they certainly are that now.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)From 2009:
Maxine Waters: Rahm To Blame For Obstructionist Blue Dogs
Waters said many of the self-proclaimed conservative Democrats, including those who have stalled legislation on the House Energy and Commerce, were initially recruited to run for office by Rahm Emanuel back when he was head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
"The chickens have come home to roost," declared the California Democrat. "On the one hand, (the Blue Dogs) don't want to spend money but, on the other hand, they want to spend money when they think it benefits them or their districts, and so they have a powerful bloc. They're holding it up and that is as clear as can be."
In terms of a possible remedy, Waters noted that the White House's bargaining chips were limited, in part because Emanuel had given these members the green light to buck the party on select issues.
"Don't forget," she said, " Rahm) recruited most of them, as when he was over in the Congress in the leadership. Rahm Emanuel recruited more conservative members and based on some of the information I'm getting, they told them that they could vote the way they wanted to vote, that they would not interfere with what was considered their philosophy about some of these things."
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Your "meh" attitude is very unsettling to the president.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Of course I have always voted, for the Democrats. The exception was when I chose Crist because I knew he would have beat Rubio. Meek only took 20% as the Dem candidate. Here's more.
" After initially leading in the race for the Republican nomination, he was overtaken in the polls by Tea Party candidate Marco Rubio and in April 2010, Crist left the Republican Party and became an Independent.[1] In the general election, he lost to Rubio in a three-way race, taking 30% of the vote to Rubio's 49% and Democratic nominee Kendrick Meek's 20%. Crist's term as Governor ended in January 2011. On December 7, 2012, he joined the Democratic Party, having endorsed President Barack Obama for re-election in 2012.[2] On November 1, 2013, he announced that he was running for Governor in the 2014 election.[3]"
This year I am voting for him as a Democratic candidate for governor.
I know most here have voted in supportive ways, we just never really got a choice here.
In our district our DFA was working with many in the DEC supporting a great candidate, intelligent, educated, liberal, union supporting. But he was gay, and the state and national candidates stepped in. They dried up his resources and put in a candidate who sounded just like the GOP candidate. Anti-gay, anti-choice, ignorant sounding. That was our choice then.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)As usual, so inspiring. Thanks for keeping things stirred up.