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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have looked all morning for links to the "pro-Putin posts" here...
Would anyone care to help me out with links?
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Rah Rah Rah.
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)be some sort of pro-Putin uprising going on.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)slightly better uses of your time than to try to find links to support or refute an idiotic argument on a discussion board?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)But I'm not.
I just genuinely would like to see the posts.
My "time" ceased to really matter to me quite some time ago.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Join us in the Valdimir Putin Appreciation Forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/welovepootiepoot
arcane1
(38,613 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Thanks
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)DUers have split into their usual groups and fighting over some shit they basically agree on. The only points of real disagreement are between those who think Putin is a thug and fuck him and those who think the US shouldn't criticize anyone because the US has done bad things too. And there are a handful whose snowden crush won't allow themselves to criticize his new master.
cali
(114,904 posts)calling people out for loving Putin or being a Putin defender/apologist.
False equivalency is what you're doing.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)jesus
or are at least a tiny minority.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)You're free to argue the OP's agenda. I think some might infer that he's a bit of a booster.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)an agenda. I did see that thread and looked at it as the Russian people... not the DU people. Thank you for the link though.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)That's why I didn't jump to a conclusion. But I can see how some may view that as supportive of Putin.
BTW, one would have to be pretty naive to think that these government-organized demonstrations represent the Russian "people".
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)the one we don't get to see in the MSM.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)After being challenged and insulted. You'll need to look throughout the subthread, above and below the linked post, for them all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4591584
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's hardly representative.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I said that in the other post. I'm not claiming a majority of people make the claim, but the fact is some do.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)agreeing with Snowden, I suppose, that Russia was a kind of special human rights nation above the U.s. *guffaw.
I haven't noticed much of that during the Ukraine debacle recently, but I haven't really been looking - just remembering.
and at least one person has declared herself in support of the Russian invasion. She says "we," which would indicate that others have as well, or at least she thinks they have. There is also Manny's thread, for whatever you want to make of that.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Моя семья имеет огромный запас липких медведей, как дань нашего героя Путина! Путин мужественный мужчина, тщедушный Обама не может сравниться в холодной войне фотографий с рубашки!
Валентина Терешкова является великим героем и талантливый инженер! Товарищ Терешкова обошли весь мир много раз в своей маленькой капсуле, он должен иметь страшно и волнующий сразу!
И в конце концов любовь вы берете равна любви вы делаете! Вы никогда не должны забывать об этом!
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)But still a good effort.
Мне нравится липких медведей тоже. Или, по крайней мере, я раньше, когда мне было 7 лет. Не думаю, что я должен был их с тех пор.
Сейчас на вашего любимого кандидата на пост президента? Тед Крус, Джеб Буш?
Скажите привет парень для меня. Жаль, Большая Собака была так значит в последнее время. Я делаю еще один тушеное мясо сегодня вечером.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Buying Gummi bears as a tribute to Hero Putin
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)in the entire post. What I read was a post against the United States taking military action in response to the events in Ukraine. That is an entirely different thing than "defending Putin."
Not really following your reasoning here.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Are you suggesting that one can defend Russian invasion of the Ukraine or defend Russian policy without defending Putin?
I guess I'm not sure which post or OP you're referring to. I do link to clear defenses of Russia and Russian policy, and even Putin, while a poster in response to me declares her support for the invasion of the Crimea. Since Putin rules Russia, defending the Russian government is defending Putin.
I don't have an issue with the OP of the thread I provided the links in. In fact I agree with that OP.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I did not see any posts that praised or defended Vladimir Putin or the Russian government.
There were indeed posts that questioned the tone of certain criticisms of Russia. There is room for debate on that issue, without excluding the middle. There is ample rhetorical ground between "objection to Western portrayal of Russia" and "supporting Putin."
One of your examples calls out a poster for noting that the Russian majority in the Crimea welcomes Russian intervention. This is simply a fact, pointing it out is neither pro- nor anti-Russian.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)You want to pretend it's neutral, but it's not. People site the "facts" that serve their purpose. The second link posts to an RT post arguing how much popular support Putin has. That is clearly a defense of him. There were scads of posts in defense of Putin when he offered asylum to Snowden. To claim they never existed is absurd. I am tired of this game. It's pretty clear to me you have some vested interest in not seeing, which is your problem entirely.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I am being genuine here in that the other posts are disagreement without taking up a pro-Putin chant, in my opinion. I really think there's a couple disruptors doing a hell of a job getting us all to fight with each other.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)And one poster justified herself by claiming that she was supporting the Crimeans who welcome the Russian military invasion.
That certainly is apology.
I've seen several ever since Snowden went to Russia. That seems to have been the turning point.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Ya heard?
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)others quickly as a put down based on something that doesn't happen on DU.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Being guarded by a pole-dancer who works for Glenn Greenwald.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)They are all over the place now. Can we quit pretending it doesn't exist?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)no Putin praising. I don't mean to aggravate, but I don't see it.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Calling the G-7 countries fascist and presenting Putin as the defender of freedom for launching a military intervention? Yes, it is a difference of opinion. It's a pro-Russian opinion that suggests a bizarre conception of Russia.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)that I bought from Stalin's daughter after the Yalta conference I was drinking vodka and it made me laugh...Since McCarthy was our double agent..
pacalo
(24,721 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)"You naughty daughter!"
"But he's a serial rapist!"
"WHY DO YOU LOVE CHILD MOLESTERS?"
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)also "every post that refers to what happened in Ukraine as a 'right-wing coup'" and "every post that accepts Putin's rationale re the Crimea of 'defending the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine'".
5. In sense for, in favour of, on the side of.