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I have looked all morning for links to the "pro-Putin posts" here... (Original Post) ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 OP
You dirty drunken Soviet you! Been hittin' the vodka again or what? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #1
It is written in such a vehement way, that I totally expected there to ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #7
Why? Aren't there... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #2
Not really, no. I know that should make me somehow feel ashamed, I guess. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #5
Greetings comrade! CJCRANE Mar 2014 #3
"welovepootiepoot" arcane1 Mar 2014 #4
That made me giggle. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #6
Sometimes ya just gotta do it. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #33
you'll find those handful of those posts next to the ones calling for war with russia... nt dionysus Mar 2014 #8
they are right there with the pro-US military intervention threads arely staircase Mar 2014 #9
then link to some. I can link to the ops (yes, plural) and the comments (plural) cali Mar 2014 #11
I am saying they don't exist arely staircase Mar 2014 #12
Well, there's this thread: OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #10
I don't know the poster well enough to assume ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #14
Nor do I. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #20
I see that OP as showing the other side of the story CJCRANE Mar 2014 #17
I provided some BainsBane Mar 2014 #13
That link goes to a pot that links to a post by a brand-new member who talks about the Builderbergs. arcane1 Mar 2014 #15
There are several links in that subthread, including posts in response to mine BainsBane Mar 2014 #16
Back when the Snowden story broke there was a fair bit of rah rah razz Putin here. Whisp Mar 2014 #22
Exactly BainsBane Mar 2014 #23
Comrade! Hear me now! Or hear me later! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #27
You're a coulple decades out of date, Manny BainsBane Mar 2014 #29
Oh yeah, all right pintobean Mar 2014 #31
Ha ha ha Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #34
I read the OP to which you referred in that thread, and I seen no mention of Putin Maedhros Mar 2014 #18
Hold on BainsBane Mar 2014 #24
I read through the entire thread. Maedhros Mar 2014 #25
That is an effort to justify military intervention BainsBane Mar 2014 #26
I see a guy with 17 posts. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #19
As I said, there are several links BainsBane Mar 2014 #21
Anti-war = Pro-Putin. Iggo Mar 2014 #28
That or if you don't at least hold Snowden in contempt. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #30
Yeah people like to label Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #32
They're all hidden on thumb drives in cardboard boxes in Snowden's garage. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #35
Several here BainsBane Mar 2014 #36
Another link BainsBane Mar 2014 #37
I am sorry, but I see differing viewpoints offered and, with the exception of Mr. 17 posts ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #38
Seriously? BainsBane Mar 2014 #39
What you're doing is a little McCarthyesque... pacalo Mar 2014 #40
Reading that from my Dacha in the Crimea Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #41
You're just begging to be put on the list!1! pacalo Mar 2014 #44
Daughter of serial rapist escapes into arms of child molester sibelian Mar 2014 #42
That'd be "everything that treats Russia Today as a credible source" Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #43

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
1. You dirty drunken Soviet you! Been hittin' the vodka again or what?
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:06 PM
Mar 2014

Rah Rah Rah.

It would be amusing if it weren't so sad.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. It is written in such a vehement way, that I totally expected there to
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014

be some sort of pro-Putin uprising going on.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Why? Aren't there...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:10 PM
Mar 2014

slightly better uses of your time than to try to find links to support or refute an idiotic argument on a discussion board?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
5. Not really, no. I know that should make me somehow feel ashamed, I guess.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:12 PM
Mar 2014

But I'm not.

I just genuinely would like to see the posts.

My "time" ceased to really matter to me quite some time ago.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
9. they are right there with the pro-US military intervention threads
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:18 PM
Mar 2014

DUers have split into their usual groups and fighting over some shit they basically agree on. The only points of real disagreement are between those who think Putin is a thug and fuck him and those who think the US shouldn't criticize anyone because the US has done bad things too. And there are a handful whose snowden crush won't allow themselves to criticize his new master.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. then link to some. I can link to the ops (yes, plural) and the comments (plural)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:21 PM
Mar 2014

calling people out for loving Putin or being a Putin defender/apologist.

False equivalency is what you're doing.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
14. I don't know the poster well enough to assume
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

an agenda. I did see that thread and looked at it as the Russian people... not the DU people. Thank you for the link though.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
20. Nor do I.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:35 PM
Mar 2014

That's why I didn't jump to a conclusion. But I can see how some may view that as supportive of Putin.

BTW, one would have to be pretty naive to think that these government-organized demonstrations represent the Russian "people".

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. That link goes to a pot that links to a post by a brand-new member who talks about the Builderbergs.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:31 PM
Mar 2014

That's hardly representative.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
16. There are several links in that subthread, including posts in response to mine
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:33 PM
Mar 2014

I said that in the other post. I'm not claiming a majority of people make the claim, but the fact is some do.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
22. Back when the Snowden story broke there was a fair bit of rah rah razz Putin here.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:41 PM
Mar 2014

agreeing with Snowden, I suppose, that Russia was a kind of special human rights nation above the U.s. *guffaw.

I haven't noticed much of that during the Ukraine debacle recently, but I haven't really been looking - just remembering.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
23. Exactly
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

and at least one person has declared herself in support of the Russian invasion. She says "we," which would indicate that others have as well, or at least she thinks they have. There is also Manny's thread, for whatever you want to make of that.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
27. Comrade! Hear me now! Or hear me later!
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

Моя семья имеет огромный запас липких медведей, как дань нашего героя Путина! Путин мужественный мужчина, тщедушный Обама не может сравниться в холодной войне фотографий с рубашки!

Валентина Терешкова является великим героем и талантливый инженер! Товарищ Терешкова обошли весь мир много раз в своей маленькой капсуле, он должен иметь страшно и волнующий сразу!

И в конце концов любовь вы берете равна любви вы делаете! Вы никогда не должны забывать об этом!

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
29. You're a coulple decades out of date, Manny
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:33 PM
Mar 2014

But still a good effort.

Мне нравится липких медведей тоже. Или, по крайней мере, я раньше, когда мне было 7 лет. Не думаю, что я должен был их с тех пор.

Сейчас на вашего любимого кандидата на пост президента? Тед Крус, Джеб Буш?
Скажите привет парень для меня. Жаль, Большая Собака была так значит в последнее время. Я делаю еще один тушеное мясо сегодня вечером.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
18. I read the OP to which you referred in that thread, and I seen no mention of Putin
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

in the entire post. What I read was a post against the United States taking military action in response to the events in Ukraine. That is an entirely different thing than "defending Putin."

Not really following your reasoning here.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
24. Hold on
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:51 PM
Mar 2014

Are you suggesting that one can defend Russian invasion of the Ukraine or defend Russian policy without defending Putin?

I guess I'm not sure which post or OP you're referring to. I do link to clear defenses of Russia and Russian policy, and even Putin, while a poster in response to me declares her support for the invasion of the Crimea. Since Putin rules Russia, defending the Russian government is defending Putin.

I don't have an issue with the OP of the thread I provided the links in. In fact I agree with that OP.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
25. I read through the entire thread.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:50 PM
Mar 2014

I did not see any posts that praised or defended Vladimir Putin or the Russian government.

There were indeed posts that questioned the tone of certain criticisms of Russia. There is room for debate on that issue, without excluding the middle. There is ample rhetorical ground between "objection to Western portrayal of Russia" and "supporting Putin."

One of your examples calls out a poster for noting that the Russian majority in the Crimea welcomes Russian intervention. This is simply a fact, pointing it out is neither pro- nor anti-Russian.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
26. That is an effort to justify military intervention
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 08:02 PM
Mar 2014

You want to pretend it's neutral, but it's not. People site the "facts" that serve their purpose. The second link posts to an RT post arguing how much popular support Putin has. That is clearly a defense of him. There were scads of posts in defense of Putin when he offered asylum to Snowden. To claim they never existed is absurd. I am tired of this game. It's pretty clear to me you have some vested interest in not seeing, which is your problem entirely.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
19. I see a guy with 17 posts.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:34 PM
Mar 2014

I am being genuine here in that the other posts are disagreement without taking up a pro-Putin chant, in my opinion. I really think there's a couple disruptors doing a hell of a job getting us all to fight with each other.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
21. As I said, there are several links
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

And one poster justified herself by claiming that she was supporting the Crimeans who welcome the Russian military invasion.
That certainly is apology.

I've seen several ever since Snowden went to Russia. That seems to have been the turning point.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
35. They're all hidden on thumb drives in cardboard boxes in Snowden's garage.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:22 PM
Mar 2014

Being guarded by a pole-dancer who works for Glenn Greenwald.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
38. I am sorry, but I see differing viewpoints offered and, with the exception of Mr. 17 posts
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
Mar 2014

no Putin praising. I don't mean to aggravate, but I don't see it.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
39. Seriously?
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:46 AM
Mar 2014

Calling the G-7 countries fascist and presenting Putin as the defender of freedom for launching a military intervention? Yes, it is a difference of opinion. It's a pro-Russian opinion that suggests a bizarre conception of Russia.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
41. Reading that from my Dacha in the Crimea
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 07:02 AM
Mar 2014

that I bought from Stalin's daughter after the Yalta conference I was drinking vodka and it made me laugh...Since McCarthy was our double agent..

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
42. Daughter of serial rapist escapes into arms of child molester
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 07:10 AM
Mar 2014

"You naughty daughter!"

"But he's a serial rapist!"

"WHY DO YOU LOVE CHILD MOLESTERS?"
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
43. That'd be "everything that treats Russia Today as a credible source"
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 07:13 AM
Mar 2014

also "every post that refers to what happened in Ukraine as a 'right-wing coup'" and "every post that accepts Putin's rationale re the Crimea of 'defending the rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine'".

pro-, prefix¹

5. In sense ‘for, in favour of, on the side of’.
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