Poll: A quarter of Republicans Say They May Vote For Hillary Clinton in 2016

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Poll: A quarter of Republicans Say They May Vote For Hillary Clinton in 2016

by Dan Merica at CNN

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/04/poll-a-quarter-of-republicans-say-they-would-vote-for-clinton-in-2016/

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Washington (CNN) – If Hillary Clinton runs for President in 2016, a new poll finds she may have some support from an unlikely group: Republicans.

According to The Pew Research Center/USA Today poll, 8% of Republicans said there is a “good chance” and 17% said there was “some chance” they would vote for her in 2016. Seventy-four percent said there was no chance.

Since ending her tenure as Secretary of State early last year, Clinton, who has not said whether she’ll run, has been the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Previous polls showed Clinton as the top pick of Democrats and Tuesday’s survey was no different: 87% of Democrats said there was a “good” or “some” chance they would vote for her, if she ran.




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[rug]

1. Landslide.

[Motown_Johnny]

34. Do the math.

Only 8% of (R)s say there is a good chance they might vote for her.

Then only 87% of (D)s say there is a good or some chance that they would vote for her.


So we have 13% of (D)s that won't vote for her and only 8% of (R)s that say there is a good chance they will vote for her.


This is a ~5% loss of total electorate. Unless the 17% that says there is "some" chance make that up. This does not seem likely given that we are still over a year and a half out and the attacks have not really started yet. That 17% will greatly decrease by the time election day comes around.


Looks like the landslide is for the other side.

[titaniumsalute]

35. You can't do the math without more information

There are too many variables that are missing to do the math.

1. This story does not even mention the now huge category of Independents and how they will vote.
2. The party size/rolls makes a big difference. Last election there were many more registered Dems than Reps. Therefore the two universes are much different in size.
3. Voter turnout makes a difference by party.
4. The poll doesn't say if these are likely voters or registered voters. Makes a big difference.
5. Obviously a lot of other variables between now and then can make a difference.

[Laelth]

77. Democrats will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

I'm a liberal, and I would prefer a more liberal nominee. However, if it's got to be Hillary, and if she can pull that much support from Republicans, our best hope is that she has colossal coat-tails and can give us a Democratic congress that can pass liberal legislation and then dare her to veto it.

I don't see how these numbers foretell a Republican victory of any kind.



-Laelth

[yourout]

2. Is this good news or bad news?

Not sure I like the idea of someone that gets a bunch of Republican votes.

Probably means they are not exactly liberals.

[BainsBane]

5. You would prefer a Republican president?

Because no president gets elected without getting votes from the other party. Not one.

[rhett o rick]

12. There you go. The Republican threat to scare voters into voting for a Corporatist Democrat.

How easily the PTB can manipulate. Of course Republicans like her. She is a conservative.

[AgingAmerican]

23. If that were the case

They would also be supporting Obama.

[rhett o rick]

37. They are. Dont judge the Republican Party by the whacko's in Congress.

The whacko's would criticize Pres Obama even if he eliminated Social Security. But many conservatives voted for Obama in 2012. It's hard to distinguish conservative Republicans from conservative Democrats.
How many Republicans are criticizing Obama on fracking, XL Pipeline, indefinite detention, support of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, the TPP, etc.
For social issues the Republicans dont support him but they love his stands on Wall Street, military spending, tax breaks for the wealthy and the economy. H. Clinton-Sachs will be treated the same.

[AgingAmerican]

43. I know lots and lots of Republicans

And none of them support Obama. I agree, they should. But not a one does, at least in my case.

[rhett o rick]

48. We got a little off the point here. The OP indicates that Republicans like Clinton-Sachs, and I

said that I am not surprised. She is farther to the right than Eisenhower and Nixon. She just accepted $400,000 from Goldman-Sachs. Some will pretend that she "earned" it. They are intentionally naive. It was corruption clear as a bell. Why wouldnt the Republicans love that?

[AgingAmerican]

49. Because she has

a "D" next to her name.

[rhett o rick]

52. I think a lot will support her. Maybe only in the privacy of the voting booth, but she stands

for standard conservative values, at least in the areas of economy and national security. She is a proud member of the 1% and has shown no sympathy for the lower classes.

[Scuba]

25. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[MADem]

26. Yeah, we sure do....

but maybe not in the way you intended.

HRC will be a superb president.

[rhett o rick]

45. We may make some headway on social issues but cant see that

she is interested in helping the lower classes stop the bleeding. Also, I cant see her standing up to Herr Gen Clapper und Herr Gen Alexander.

Economically, we cant afford another 8 years of this Wall Street rule.

[MADem]

51. Well, you're just going to have to wait 'n see.

When Senator Warren campaigns for her, that popping sound will be heads exploding....

[rhett o rick]

54. I wouldnt be surprised that Sen Warren campaigns for her. She isnt stupid and she is a politician.

I dream of a president that fights for the lower classes, but I know that it cant really happen with Citizen's United and the corporate corruption that allows Goldman-Sachs to give $400,000 to a candidate for her own personal wealth. HRC is a proud member of the 1% and has not shown the least interest in helping the lower classes.

We've been carefully manipulated into have one Conservative Party and the Wacko Party. So the naive feel good about themselves as they exercise their right to vote and vote for the corporate picked candidate.

I am sure those that support HRC will be all happy if she wins the presidency and ignore the fact that we have almost 25% of American children living in poverty. A fact that seems to be lost on the Conservative Wing of the Democratic Party.

[MADem]

56. Where do you get this silly stuff?

"Proud member of the 1%..." What crap!

Yeah, she's so "proud" she took the hardest job in Obama's cabinet and worked it more aggressively than any SecState in recent history. Instead of, ya know, running around making billions with all her "cronies"....

HRC is the best chance we have of getting kids OUT of poverty.

Keep trash talking, though. You'll have to eat those words soon enough.

[rhett o rick]

60. How has she convinced you that she will help alleviate poverty?

Why is it "trash talk" to doubt that a member of the 1% will help the lower classes. Do you think programs like the TPP will help the lower classes? The lower classes are sinking rapidly, we can not endure another eight years of this.

I think you and I can agree that we need to end child poverty, but I dont think someone that is in bed with Wall Street will do that.

[MADem]

62. Do you think they're mixing drinks over at the Clinton Foundation?

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-giustra-enterprise-partnership

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2013/10/03/closing-word-gap

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-development-initiative/programs/trees-hope-project

Yeah, that's real "one percent" shit.

And stop tossing out that stupid, dumb-ass TPP canard. The PRESIDENT makes those decisions; the SECSTATE acts on the President's orders. And HRC isn't the Secstate anymore, so go whine to Kerry.

You really are showing off here (and I don't mean in a good way). Letting it all hang out.

Aren't you embarrassed at all when you ramble on like that? Not even a little....?

You should be.

One. More. Time.

[rhett o rick]

72. Sorry, I mistook you for someone that wanted to have a decent conversation.

Almost 25% of America's children are living in poverty. I see it every day. And nothing is being done. And it looks to me like all you worry about is getting Queen Hillary elected. And while the poverty rate climbs, she will be having tea with Goldman-Sachs and and enriching her private fortune.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

6. I guarantee you that 80% of those Republicans are women

In the GOP, men are the die hards. Women are the swing voters. See it time and time again.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[freshwest]

22. That's my take on it, too. Hillary will reverse / end the war on women, I'm sure of that! n/t

[bunnies]

53. Sarcasm?

Hillary will bring the woman-haters out of the woodwork just like Obama brought out the racists. No way in hell she ends the war on women. Especially at state levels.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

58. I don't think of it as sarcasm...

There are a lot of women who vote Republican. If Ms. Clinton is attacked the way President Obama is attacked, they will simply not vote Republican anymore. Many will vote Democratic.

So yes, this will bring many woman-haters out of the woodwork. But it will destroy the GOP if the GOP embraces them.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[bunnies]

59. The GOP already embraces woman-haters

by way of the war on women. And if the flat-out misogyny the GOP exhibited the last time Hillary ran didn't do it, I don't know what will. Youre more optimistic than I re: the intelligence of Republican women. Hope youre right though.

[dsc]

7. then I guess you must hate Obama who got the votes of many republicans

including Colin Powell and one of the Eisenhower grandkids.

[joshcryer]

18. PUMAs were DINOs.

It's not really a surprising data point.

[Ikonoklast]

31. And here's your winner, folks!

Got it exactly correct.


Republican women and conservative Democratic women would not vote for a man if he held the same politics as Hillary.

Being a woman gets their vote, period. They don't care about her politics.

[Bandit]

36. If I were a woman I would find your post highly offensive

You are suggesting women have no brain of their own and would only vote based upon sex.

[Ikonoklast]

38. You assume I said all women, when I did no such thing.

Get as offended as you want to.

[Whisp]

39. Here is an example of what you said: Lunacy. And there was more than enough of that.

[freshwest]

69. Oh my gawd. Only saw this online in message boards. Not in real life. But I do know people who were

supporting Obama in our state primaries and were in deep trouble with their neighbors who supported Hillary for their bumper stickers and putting Obama signs in their yards. It was a bad atmosphere.

To vote for McCain out of pure spite - as many reportedly did - and their attempts to ban any Obama supporters at the site I used to post at - is bullying. It's similar to the old saying about Christians:

'I find that like your Christ, but his followers scare me.'

This is the impression I ended up with about Hillary, and it may or may not have been the followers she wanted. She did support Obama when he won the primary, and her followers would have done well to not be PUMAs and join in. I do not believe there is animosity between people at that level. Which is why they are at that level, and we are not.

Here are two of her speeches in support of Obama. First one is on the road in 2008:

Her endorsement at the DNC in 2008:

The question remains, will the bitterness which has continued to be stoked by PUMA groups online and perhaps elsewhere, be forgotten?

Can Obama supporters forgive the actions of PUMAs who insulted us and our candidate, even voted for McCain with no regard to the people who were going to be hurt by that?

I think some of those voters will stay home and not vote, and that Hillary is not doing a good job of getting her own message out to overcome the negatives. That does not mean she would not be an excellent president, though.

[freshwest]

71. I think the actions of the GOP since 2010 caused that, not the sex of the candidates. And Obama has

been (rightfully so, IMO) called the First Feminist President.

He has steadfastly held back the GOP in some of their lousy attempts to defund PP, insert personhood bills into budgets, and overcame their objections ot the reauthorization of the VAWA because they objected to it protecting women of color.

[freshwest]

61. And the ones I knew (note past tense) voted for McCain and never looked back. So yeah, it's them. nt

[JHB]

29. AFTER he conservative movement drowns in its own waste-filled bathtub...

...we can count it as bad news.

While I expect that I'll often be at odds with policies of a president HRC, given a choice between her nominating federal judges vs whatever Monty Moonbat the Republicans choose (guaranteeing another slew of Federalist Society judicial activists filling the openings), the choice is kind of obvious.

[freshwest]

79. It may draw in GOP women voters who have complained about their War on Women. n/t

[Tx4obama]

3. Don't ever believe a republican. It's a trick! n/t

[spanone]

4. ^^^^^

[JoeyT]

10. +1

If a pollster called me and asked if I might vote for say Gohmert for president, I'd say yes. Easier to beat, and he's such an asshole the meltdown after his loss would be hilarious.

[unblock]

8. a few rotten smear ads will quickly change their malleable minds.

tight grip the dark side has, mmm.

[Laelth]

78. +1 for the Yoda impersonation. n/t

-Laelth

[Renew Deal]

9. That number will go down

[Dawson Leery]

11. Some of the women will.

[cthulu2016]

13. I've met some. As to whether they would still feel that way November 2016 is another matter.

Some actually would vote for her. Some would not vote. Some would line up to vote Republican. And some would vote libertarian or some such protest vote.

[Gravitycollapse]

14. Dear potential Republican Hillary supporters...

[DemocraticWing]

15. If the Republicans nominate Cruz or Rubio, and we nominate Hillary?

I can absolutely see the racist teabaggers "accidentally" checking the wrong box.

[Cha]

16. Two years.. long way off in politics. But,

if it's a choice between Hillary and the gop creep.. I'll vote for her with gusto.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. If she decides to run, I suspect she'll be a formidable candidate.

The only people grumbling "but.. but... but you don't want the other party voting for her!" are people who don't understand Politics.

Or math.

[joshcryer]

19. Or have any plan to challenge her.

Which needs to happen soon. She'll be announcing this year. Less than 10 months to go (probably more like 6-8 months depending on how she chooses to go about it).

[Warren DeMontague]

20. I'm personally of the opinion that this time she'll need to run on more than "inevitability"

that said, I still give her very good odds.

[MADem]

27. Well, there's all that SECSTATE experience.

I don't think she'll have any trouble telling an interviewer who runs Pakistan, for example....

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/e98/e599.htm

''Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?'' asked Bush.

Hiller replied: ''No, it's four questions of four leaders in four hot spots.''

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Don't get me wrong; I'm not questioning her qualifications.

More her approach.

[MADem]

41. I think she'll be fine.

She isn't that guy she was married to, and she isn't that guy she worked for in his cabinet.

She's herself, she's smart as ten whips, and I think she'll surprise a lot of people.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Again, more basing that comment on 2008, but I agree.

I've said repeatedly I think she will be a formidable candidate, and as the field stands now there's really no one else close on either side.

[freshwest]

64. Just so long as she doesn't feel the need to put boots on the ground at those exotic locales...

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She always struck me as rather hawkish, but it was the era that effected her political life and career. It's said by many that women's rights is her real core issue. I can't see her not decimating the GOP warriors in their war on women. I do not think she could be as good at it as Obama has been, I don't see her being as saavy.

And as far as the WalMart business model, it was what AR apparently wanted at the time. I remember those days when they were still selling their brand as American Made and there was some jubilaton for the masses who got jobs there - that was before John died and the greedy kids took over the brand.

I saw that same pattern in a number of other decades old businesses that had long been good neigbhors in post-WW2 communities and treated their workers with respect and dignity. In each case, the kids inherited and decided to cash out and never pay back the people that made their family fortunes, pay taxes or work again.

The majority liberal element in AR left with the Clintons, and now it's teabag country. Not that all the people are, but more than enough to produce such golden thinkers as these:

Arkansas State Rep: ‘If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn’t Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?’

After Arkansas Republicans disavowed a book by state representative Jon Hubbard (R-AR) claiming slavery was “a blessing in disguise” for African Americans, Hubbard’s colleague, state Rep. Loy Mauch (R-AR) has been outed by the Arkansas Times for his pro-slavery, pro-Confederacy letters to the editor over the past decade. Mauch’s run for reelection this year is backed by the Arkansas Republican Party.

In letters to the Democrat-Gazette, Mauch vehemently defended slavery and repeatedly suggested Jesus condoned it:

If slavery were so God-awful, why didn’t Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn’t there a war before 1861? The South has always stood by the Constitution and limited government. When one attacks the Confederate Battle Flag, he is certainly denouncing these principles of government as well as Christianity.

His other letters call Abraham Lincoln a Marxist and celebrate the Confederate flag as “a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order.” He also organized a conference in 2004 praising John Wilkes Booth and calling for the removal of an Abraham Lincoln statue. Mauch has been supported mainly by contributions from the Republican Party and other Arkansas candidates. Now, the state GOP is pulling all funds from Mauch, Hubbard and another state legislative candidate, Charlie Fuqua, who wants to expel all Muslims from the country and thinks rebellious children should receive the death penalty.

Read more:

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/09/975021/arkansas-state-rep-if-slavery-were-so-god-awful-why-didnt-jesus-or-paul-condemn-it/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014260932

This is the mentality that the Clintons were working with. I know people from NY who wanted to move to the country and bought some cheap, but lovely forested land in the hills to live on. They worked in AR county offices.

You would not want to know what they told me about things were run, they were shocked. I nearly moved to a university town to rent a house from a good Democrat eager to see more move in the area. I decided against it.

Now they are legislating from the ALEC playbook, and Faux keeps the natives asleep, but it's a restless one, full of RWNJ nightmares. AR is certainly not unique in that regard, so I'm not pointing fingers at them. I live in a blue state and we are sorely afflicted with the same.

Just sayin' there is likely much more to Hillary than what the media has fed us. She would not be my first choice, but we'll see in 2016 what she can reveal to us. I never really knew her in her own words, just what was said to be her policies or beliefs.

In 2016, I want her supporters to post with links and videos as to what she is about. That was how I learned about Obama. Not from the official campaign videos, either. Mainly the town hall meetings and precinct level get togethers from 2007 and 2008.

I have never heard her voice on the matters important to me. And the voice of PUMAs and more highly thought of speakers that went after Obama turn me off, that's not a positive message about what Hillary is or would do in office. She gets kudos for trying to change health care as FLOTUS, though.

[MADem]

66. She's had an opportunity to do two things.

See how a fucked up, open-ended military policy works up close while serving in the Senate (answer--it doesn't), and explore how to aggressively pursue diplomatic options as SECSTATE--and she did a fine job on that score.

I see her as more of a surgical-strike-if-at-all type, myself, and a "diplomacy as a first resort" enthusiast.

[freshwest]

68. If she runs, I hope she can make that case to a war-weary nation and stifle the chickenhawks. n/t

[rhett o rick]

50. "Formidable candidate" is kinda funny. She has Corp-America behind her. What Democrat can fight

that?

We shouldnt pretend that the system works and the best candidate wins. Money wins and she has that covered.

Ironically, Citizens United will help her become president.

[blackspade]

21. Great, our corporate selected leader....

The fact that 25% of rethugs would actually vote for her tells me that she is way more to the right than I can stomach.

[raven mad]

24. This should be...um,

interesting.

[Savannahmann]

28. Yay.

We would get the vote of a bunch of Racist, Sexist, Homophobic assholes who steal from the poor, don't like a living wage, and have done everything possible to stop Gay Marriage, Contraception for the women through the ACA, the ACA in general.

Does that pretty much summarize the situation? And the good thing about this would be?

Would we cheer if the KKK endorsed Hillary? Because to me it sounds like we are, and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

[justiceischeap]

30. If more republicans in that poll supported Clinton, I'd be worried

but I suspect many are correct in this thread, it's female republicans throwing their (tentative) support her way.

However, it does give me pause that 2 years out, Clinton is the de facto candidate when she hasn't even announced her desire to run. As a matter of fact, she's said on more than one occasion that she has no plans to run for President again--of course, she could always change her mind about it but still...

[Motown_Johnny]

32. So 13% of (D)s won't vote for her?

87% of Democrats said there was a “good” or “some” chance they would vote for her, if she ran.





Given that only 8% of (R)s say there is a good chance they might vote for her, this is really really bad news.

[B Calm]

33. Are republicans just now figuring out Hillary is

a corporate dem?

[SidDithers]

44. A Hillary landslide will now be seen as a bad thing at DU...

'cause, you know, she'll have lots of people voting for her.

Sid

[MoonRiver]

47. Yes,

sigh.

[MADem]

65. Ahhh, that vocal minority!

[freshwest]

73. I'm looking forward to hearing real life Democrats cheering her on in public. I posted a video here

where she is on the stump for Obama:

At 6:20 they start chanting:

OH BAH MA, OH BAH MA!

Then immediately chant:

HILL AR EE, HILL AR EE!

The 2016 election will require that level of enthusiasm to overcome GOP trickery.

[SidDithers]

74. Good stuff...

Sid

[freshwest]

75. I liked the 'peace, prosperity and progress' theme she mentioned. That good Democratic policy. n/t

[woo me with science]

46. Well, that recommends her,

doesn't it.

No more corporatists and warmongers.

[PeteSelman]

55. Since she's one of them I'm surprised it's not higher.

Of course a lot of them foolishly still think she's a far left liberal.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

57. Well, that certainly says something about her politics if the Republicans like her.

[stevenleser]

63. 1 yr ago, most Republicans, including Republican pundits I spoke with privately said they wouldnt

mind her so much.

That is changing slightly now since the reality is setting in that in three years she could be sitting in the White House. But I think a significant amount of Republicans will still vote for her when election day rolls around.

[NCTraveler]

67. Seems that the broadining of the party is working.

No, I'm not so sure it is a good thing. Many republicans were behind Obama, including this clown.

On some issues, what's there not to like for Republicans.

In the end, they will hate her just as much as they hate Obama.

Lets try to go a little less hawkish in the primary. I love Hillary and she might come out of the primaries as the victor. Please give me a solid progressive to get behind.

[nyquil_man]

70. Getting a quarter of the GOP vote would be a landslide, for sure.

I don't think any Democrat's done that well among Republicans since LBJ in '64.

I doubt it will be that high, but I wouldn't be surprised if she outperformed Obama within that group. After all, Republicans have been praising her as a means of damning Obama for the last several years.

[Laelth]

76. Wow. I'm no fan of the Clintons, but that's a shocking poll result.

If these numbers hold, she has to run, and we have to hope for colossal coat-tails that give us a Democratic congress that can pass liberal legislation and then just dare her to veto it.



-Laelth