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Annoyed. (Original Post) rug Mar 2014 OP
That's me 47 years ago.... panader0 Mar 2014 #1
We never learn. rug Mar 2014 #2
As a High School teacher I recognize this voice as my own 30 years ago... jimlup Mar 2014 #3
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #4
"I'm kinda over being told to throw my hands up in the air..." elehhhhna Mar 2014 #5
Off topic, but she seems to be a really delightful young woman REP Mar 2014 #7
The sad thing REP Mar 2014 #6
I think you would be wrong. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #10
A lot of my friends are teachers REP Mar 2014 #11
Perhaps so. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #12
Definitely some do REP Mar 2014 #13
You know, REP, GWB is the president closest to me in age. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #15
Obama's a little older than I am ... REP Mar 2014 #21
Maybe so, and maybe this letter is the exception that proves the rule . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #16
I sorely wish you were right... F4lconF16 Mar 2014 #24
"responsible young adults" instead of "juvenile delinquents" is how I was brought up. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #8
kick PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #9
Hey, she's from the same town as Johnnie Walker! JVS Mar 2014 #14
Good catch! rug Mar 2014 #18
Libertarianism will explode with this crowd LittleBlue Mar 2014 #17
Interesting theory ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #19
I wouldn't dismiss your notion for a minute LittleBlue Mar 2014 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2014 #20
This. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #23

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
3. As a High School teacher I recognize this voice as my own 30 years ago...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:10 PM
Mar 2014

And that is why I refuse to treat my students as anything less than equals...

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
5. "I'm kinda over being told to throw my hands up in the air..."
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:24 PM
Mar 2014

IMO that lyric captures the zeitgeist of many of today's teens, and I get it.

REP

(21,691 posts)
7. Off topic, but she seems to be a really delightful young woman
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:31 PM
Mar 2014

I look forward to the rest of her career.

REP

(21,691 posts)
6. The sad thing
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:30 PM
Mar 2014

is I doubt most American high school students that age could write as well.

"What's the matter with kids today" is a song that's been sung since the first human child became an adolescent.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
10. I think you would be wrong.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:45 PM
Mar 2014

There is some extremely profound stuff coming from kids that age. Sadly, few of us have the time or inclination to pay attention.

REP

(21,691 posts)
11. A lot of my friends are teachers
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

So no. Most cannot express themselves coherently in written language. Little time is spent teaching kids how the language works, let alone how to construct sentences, paragraphs, and themes. Not on The Test you know.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
12. Perhaps so.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:53 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe it isn't evident in the classroom. I don't know if I can say anything about 'most' of them. I just know that some of them accomplish some really powerful word-work. Perhaps they are the exception.

REP

(21,691 posts)
13. Definitely some do
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

The ones defiant enough to not let the love of learning be bored out of them by the crappy standards teachers are forced to labor under! It was bad when I rode a dinosaur to school but these days, I feel thankful for my crappy education compared to the pure bland horror that passes for education today.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
15. You know, REP, GWB is the president closest to me in age.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:02 PM
Mar 2014

When "Is our children learning?" exemplifies the peak of educational prowess (Harvard Business School and Yale, for pity's sake!) I have some reservations about the quality of my own learning.

REP

(21,691 posts)
21. Obama's a little older than I am ...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:09 PM
Mar 2014

... he went to better schools, but I don't cringe to have him as a contemporary when he speaks.

GWB was a legacy. How much money do you think those "gentleman's Cs" cost his daddy? Joe NobodyNotasRich would have had to transfer to gasp! a public school.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
16. Maybe so, and maybe this letter is the exception that proves the rule . . .
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:02 PM
Mar 2014

But it's a damned fine exception, notwithstanding.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
24. I sorely wish you were right...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:25 PM
Mar 2014

but in my experience, most freshman college students could not write that well. I read a number of papers for students in an English class last year, and most had very little ability to communicate clearly and effectively. Maybe 1 out of 50 could write as well as the piece above. In high school, it's even worse.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
17. Libertarianism will explode with this crowd
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:02 PM
Mar 2014

They've grown up during an era of total political paralysis. Any notion of a political solution to anything is virtually hopeless.

This will fuel anti-government sentiment in the coming decades as those youth become politically active, or inactive.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
19. Interesting theory ...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:06 PM
Mar 2014

I posit anarchy as a possibility ...

but, then I try not to be cynical and pessimistic

and Hope that a better change is still possible.

Peace.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
22. I wouldn't dismiss your notion for a minute
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:15 PM
Mar 2014

Could anarchical ideologies gain a foothold? Definitely. Especially with the way our government is carrying on.

The problem I see is, this libertarian ideology doesn't just appeal to right-wingers any more. People who would normally be receptive to progressive arguments feel the same economic frustrations and may come to feel a sense of hopelessness. There is a price to be paid for centrism, compromise and dismissive partisan attitudes during times when young generations are being crushed.

Peace indeed

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