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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:50 AM Mar 2014

Is That Vladimir Putin in a 1988 Photo with Ronald Reagan?


Is That Vladimir Putin in a 1988 Photo with Ronald Reagan?

With Vladimir Putin back in the news so prominently, now may be a good time to look back at a photo that got some attention in 2009: a photo of Ronald Reagan in Russia, a photo taken by the man who currently fills the same official role for President Obama, and a photo that appears to feature Putin himself dressed up like a tourist.

Pete Souza is the White House photographer for President Obama, but he also worked in the same capacity under Reagan, and he snapped that photo in 1988 of Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev greeting tourists. And Souza claimed back in 2009 (and said this information was confirmed to him) that the man on the very left, the tourist-y looking fellow with the camera around his neck, is in fact Vladimir Putin, who was a KGB agent at the time and was undercover.

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Full post here: http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-that-vladimir-putin-in-a-1988-photo-with-ronald-reagan/





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Is That Vladimir Putin in a 1988 Photo with Ronald Reagan? (Original Post) Tx4obama Mar 2014 OP
Looks as if Souza got it right from the link: freshwest Mar 2014 #1
That doesn't make it Putin, though jberryhill Mar 2014 #2
I'm going by the body type, height, eyes, nose, lips and chin. I've seen many videos of him talking. freshwest Mar 2014 #4
I believe his hair started thinning out early, though jberryhill Mar 2014 #13
That ain't much hair there, either, IMO. Blondes I know don't all have thick hair to begin with. freshwest Mar 2014 #17
Putin doesn't have any sons , he has 2 daughters JI7 Mar 2014 #6
Maybe the young boy belongs to someone out of view in the leftside of the photo Tx4obama Mar 2014 #9
or nephew or some other relative JI7 Mar 2014 #11
That's not Putin. He has a shirt on. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #3
this must be from the 70s JI7 Mar 2014 #5
where did you find that image? 2banon Mar 2014 #7
i was looking for info on the pic in the op JI7 Mar 2014 #8
interesting, thanks 2banon Mar 2014 #10
Intuitively, I'd say too much hair. But it might be the angle. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #12
The picture was taken around 26 years ago. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #19
I know. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #22
I can't tell. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #14
This pic has been floating around for a couple years now Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #15
I don't think that's him justiceischeap Mar 2014 #16
Time takes a toll on hair and faces. And noses get wider according to expression and age. freshwest Mar 2014 #21
Doubtful. Brickbat Mar 2014 #18
Or maybe it was time traveling Evgeni Plushenko LittleBlue Mar 2014 #20

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. Looks as if Souza got it right from the link:
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:27 AM
Mar 2014
Souza claimed back in 2009 (and said this information was confirmed to him) that the man on the very left, the tourist-y looking fellow with the camera around his neck, is in fact Vladimir Putin, who was a KGB agent at the time and was undercover.

From the embedded link at the article:

Souza recounts a story from a trip to Russia with Reagan. He shot photos of Reagan as the president toured Moscow's Red Square with then-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. Gorbachev introduced Reagan to various tourists, who asked the American president pointed questions about subjects such as human rights in the United States. Souza says he remembers turning to one of the Secret Service agents standing nearby.

"I can't believe these tourists in the Soviet Union are asking these pointed questions." The agent replied, "Oh, these are all KGB families."

Souza also shared that story with Obama in 2005, when the then-senator was visiting Red Square. Souza says Obama loves a good story, and this was a firsthand account of history...


http://www.npr.org/2009/01/15/99353598/a-front-row-view-of-obamas-white-house

Looks like Putin and the behavior would match an agent. Souza was there, and his story makes sense. The KGB would be undercover to protect their leader and Putin would have to play a role. After reading the NPR piece, I wonder if the boy Reagan is greeting there is Putin's son?

IOW, I think it's Putin.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. That doesn't make it Putin, though
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:53 AM
Mar 2014

I'm sure that Putin wasn't the only blond Caucasian in the KGB.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. I'm going by the body type, height, eyes, nose, lips and chin. I've seen many videos of him talking.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:18 AM
Mar 2014

And Souza's information that he recieved from the Secret Service makes sense to me...

JI7

(89,248 posts)
6. Putin doesn't have any sons , he has 2 daughters
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:26 AM
Mar 2014

but i agree that the height and body type does seem to point to putin. but hard to say for sure.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
11. or nephew or some other relative
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:11 AM
Mar 2014

the news has reported on a putin nephew in his 30s and that would fit with the age of the boy in that pic during that year.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
8. i was looking for info on the pic in the op
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:04 AM
Mar 2014

and this pic showed up during one of the google searches

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
15. This pic has been floating around for a couple years now
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

Probably everyone who is not American or Gorbachev is KGB (including the boy).


Look at the cameras around Putin's neck. Just screams tourist a little to loudly. But in reality, I doubt very much a citizen would have been able to get that close to two presidents with metal boxes around their neck.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Time takes a toll on hair and faces. And noses get wider according to expression and age.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:21 PM
Mar 2014

And the hair is similiar in your 1988 image except with less sun lightening as the picture. Here's a picture of Vlad with his nose more pointed and his expression is rather odd:



I have a series of photos of an actor whose nose and chin appears broad most of time, but in the same period other pictures had his nose thin and pointed, along with his chin. It's expression, relaxation and in this case, I'd say youth. The image in the OP is 26 years ago. My own nose was more pointed when I was younger.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
20. Or maybe it was time traveling Evgeni Plushenko
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:15 PM
Mar 2014





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