Robert Parry (on the MSM's propaganda)- "Putin or Kerry: Who’s Delusional?"

[Catherina]

Putin or Kerry: Who’s Delusional?
Official Washington and its compliant mainstream news media operate with a convenient situational ethics when it comes to the principles of international law and non-intervention in sovereign states.

by Robert Parry

When Secretary of State John Kerry denounces Russia’s intervention in Crimea by declaring “It is not appropriate to invade a country and at the end of a barrel of gun dictate what you are trying to achieve. That is not Twenty-first Century, G-8, major-nation behavior,” you might expect that the next line in a serious newspaper would note Kerry’s breathtaking hypocrisy. But not if you were reading the New York Times on Wednesday, or for that matter the Washington Post or virtually any mainstream U.S. newspaper or watching a broadcast outlet.

Yet, look what happens when Russia’s President Vladimir Putin does what the U.S. news media should do, i.e. point out that “It’s necessary to recall the actions of the United States in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, where they acted either without any sanction from the U.N. Security Council or distorted the content of these resolutions, as it happened in Libya. There, as you know, only the right to create a no-fly zone for government aircraft was authorized, and it all ended in the bombing and participation of special forces in group operations.”

Despite the undeniable accuracy of Putin’s observation, he was promptly deemed to have “lost touch with reality,” according to a Washington Post’s editorial, which called his press conference “rambling” and a “bizarre performance” in which his words have “become indistinguishable from the propaganda of his state television network.”

You get the point. If someone notes the disturbing U.S. history of military interventions or describes the troubling narrative behind the “democratic” coup in Ukraine – spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias who overthrew a duly elected president – you are dismissed as crazy.

...

Yet, it has been the Post, Times and other U.S. news outlets which have led the way in developing a propaganda narrative at odds with the known reality. For instance, the violent February clashes in Kiev are now typically described as the Ukrainian police having killed some 80 protesters, though the original reporting had that death toll including 13 policemen and the fact that neo-Nazi militias were responsible for much of the violence, from hurling firebombs to shooting firearms.

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READ MORE: http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/05/putin-or-kerry-whos-delusional/

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. Not surprised to see you quoting this loon

[rdharma]

3. When you can't refute the article,.......

.... attack the person who posted OP.

Is that it, PW?

[blm]

7. Parry is not a loon - he is making an error in judgment here by allowing an anti-Kerry narrative to

dominate this piece. He should be more wary of the Clintonites who have been feeding him bogus inside 'scoops' about Kerry and Obama that are misleading him down this path. Clintonites do NOT want Kerry to be a successful Sec of State, just like they did not want him to succeed as the Dem candidate in 2004. They view everything through the prism of what serves their goals.

[ProSense]

8. It's anti-Obama.

There is a lot of that going around. Kerry is now being attacked because he works for Obama.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

9. Well, that's one crackpot interpretation

Clinton! Clintons! Clintons everywhere!

[blm]

20. Sorry about that, Pretz, but, I know Parry's work very well.

And this article is a reach to attack Kerry so vociferously. Stay behinds at State are not a new concept.

If you weren't aware of Clintonites targeting Kerry over the last decade, you should try and catch up.

[Tom Ripley]

60. +1000

[geek tragedy]

2. yeah, Putin RAWKS! I read it on Rt.com! nt

[Wellstone ruled]

4. When the Times and the Post started this crap,

all you need is to remember what has transpired in the last 10 + years. Our Nation is,for the most part,ran by the Banks and Wall Street. Fascism has arrived. Because of the pushback form the public we are not sending troops to the Ukraine. Have reports that we do have people on Bases close by.

Our Oil and Gas people are ready to launch big time operations in the Ukraine. Notice some similarities,Iraq=Oil,Afghanistan=Rare Earth Metals and Oil Pipeline. Gee,who would have thunk.

If we Dems decide to stay home in November,we will get what we deserve,more Times and Post propaganda from the Military-Industrial-Complex. You can kiss your Social Security and other Benefits good bye. Then the start of the final act,the true hollowing out of what is left of the Middle Class. Kiss your Pensions and 401k's good bye.

[Catherina]

10. How can anyone forget? Great post with one opinion caveat

I think that by the time enough people here realize that austerity is being pushed on us too, not just those foreigners in countries like Greece and Spain (where yadadada insert dumb corporate excuse here), it will be too late. They'll only wake up when the money's totally gone and the propaganda stops because there's no pretense left to hide behind.

[ProSense]

5. Maybe it's

When Secretary of State John Kerry denounces Russia’s intervention in Crimea by declaring “It is not appropriate to invade a country and at the end of a barrel of gun dictate what you are trying to achieve. That is not Twenty-first Century, G-8, major-nation behavior,” you might expect that the next line in a serious newspaper would note Kerry’s breathtaking hypocrisy. But not if you were reading the New York Times on Wednesday, or for that matter the Washington Post or virtually any mainstream U.S. newspaper or watching a broadcast outlet.

...because the NYT actually considered Kerry's full statement.

So I would hope that President Putin, who is insisting against all evidence everywhere in the world about troops being in Crimea that they’re not there, that he will step back and listen carefully that we could like to see this de-escalated. We are not looking for some major confrontation. But – and I do not believe that his interests, which we understand – a base, strong ties, everybody knows that Khrushchev gave the Crimea to the Ukraine back in 1954 or ‘6, I think it was. We all know these things. There’s a long history of connection. We get it. But those things can continue and be worked out through the legal process, through the direct relationship with the Government of Ukraine. It is not appropriate to invade a country and at the end of a barrel of a gun dictate what you are trying to achieve. That is not 21st century, G8, major nation behavior.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/03/222882.htm

Parry is going on about the U.S. media, as if no one else is criticizing Putin.

Angela Merkel questioned if Putin has lost touch with reality.

The title of the OP piece is completely bizarre. He's comparing Kerry's comments to Putin's invasion in order to declare that Putin is not "delusional" for invading a country.

Kerry: "This is a time for diplomacy..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590090

U.S. response to Ukrainian crisis takes shape
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024617136

Obama: Crimea Referendum Would Violate International Law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024617772

[blm]

6. Parry is reaching in this attack on Kerry. He needs to stop listening to the Clintonista

who have been giving him inside 'scoops' about State Dept and WH that are meant only to discredit Kerry in the long run for his role in pursuing the facts in IranContra, BCCI, and CIA drug running.

Clintonistas are terrible sources, Robert. I'm surprised you're running with their narratives.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. Maybe this "journalist" is gunning for an Izzy Award

They hand them out like mints, but it helps if you write screeds that are detached from reality.

[Catherina]

28. I admire your loyalty and intelligent feistiness

but Kerry said what he said. He needs better advisors.

[blm]

31. So? We're supposed to toss discernment out the window for soundbites?

.

[reddread]

32. he gives the Clintons a pass

Kerry gives cover to Bush treason.
NOTHING prevented him from speaking the truth that stayed hidden in a converted bathroom.
Parry brought that forward, and the establishment IGNORED it.
GW/2000/Iraq and everything that followed hinged on that sort of silent treachery.
What is it you think prevented Kerry from whistleblowing the facts that the Democratic Party
swept under the rug prior to 92?
Omerta.
RACKETEERS, not representatives.
Kerry is dirty.
Biden is dirty.
They dont rise to the top by demanding justice in this country.

[blm]

39. Baloney - you're mixing up your investigative committees AGAIN.

After his initial investigation uncovered IranContra, Kerry was blocked from the official Senate committee because he was considered 'too zealous'. Kerry would drop being on Senate IranContra panel only in exchange for freedom to pursue BCCI discrepancies he discovered as part of IranContra.

Kerry was pursuing BCCI pretty much on his own in the Senate at the time you claim he was heading the House's IranContra investigation. You're wrong - deal with the fact that you are wrong and stop spreading misinformation.

[reddread]

42. You know better. Its a shame you have to take such a low tack

I never made that claim, but if it helps you somehow, in whatever way,
it makes no difference to me.
Kerry has no excuse, no fool can believe he is ignorant.
He is mute on the truth of the matter.
I never claimed he was heading the House's investigation.
But I can claim you are lying about that.

[blm]

45. You claimed he helped hide documents that House IranContra Committee was responsible

for and at the time when Kerry had already been working on BCCI for 4 years. You stay on that false line in an effort to smear Kerry every time his name is mentioned.

You are hoping someone believes your false claims about him and furthers them the way you do.

[reddread]

48. no, Im SAYING he hasnt a word to utter about the facts revealed by Parry

or does he?
Which part of that do you want to deny?
straighten me out here.
The Democratic controlled congress and Senate swept the investigation under the rug.
Parry was led to the documents and received confirmation from GHWB's personal lawyer about the check they passed
TO KEEP AMERICAN HOSTAGES IN CAPTIVITY!
A mission that Kerry's wife's late husband was in on.
So, tell me how Kerry could be ignorant of the facts?
I can understand why he would be silent.
I cant accept it.
you can?
As if any of those activities were a complete mystery to Washington insiders between 1980 and 1991.
come on. a charade covering up high treason.
Omerta.
you want to carry on like schoolkids, dont expect me to feed your need.
you want to worship, worship.

[blm]

51. You're making a charge against Kerry that just isn't true. Parry never claimed that

Kerry was in on hiding documents re Iran especially when Kerry had been involved in targeting GHWBush on BCCI - or did you manage to forget that the only reason we, as a nation, we're even able to see the Aug6 CIA memo about BinLaden is because Kerry kept taking Bush1 WH to court to force the turnover of those daily briefings that were once classified.

You really want to spread lies about Kerry, go ahead. I'm sure you'll find an audience for it. Rove, Rev Moon and Rupert Murdoch certainly did.

[reddread]

52. i never said that Parry claimed any such thing. comprehension issues or desperation? n/t

[blm]

55. You continued your line that he is responsible for Lee Hamilton's committee. That's BS.

Your bile towards him is misdirected. And EXTREMELY unwarranted.

[reddread]

57. no I didnt. He is responsible for telling us the truth, or is he not?

dont need a committee to tell the American people what they need to know about treason.
Hindsight means nothing to blind hero worship.
It was covered up by everyone who knew the truth and held their tongues.
You think I have a stiffy for Kerry?
not me.

[blm]

58. There is only one way Kerry could have revealed all as he intended to do - from the Oval Office and

that is exactly why TeamClinton and TeamBush worked to keep him out of it.

Even after Senate refused to fund BCCI investigation any further (after Clinton was elected and then proceeded to protect Bush and Jackson Stephens from BCCI revelations), Kerry kept all the documents and papers in an office that he funded personally in order to keep it alive. Gaining the WH would have meant Kerry could no longer be refused the key documents he had always tried to obtain for the remaining pieces of the puzzle so he could open the books on BCCI.

Gary Webb expected that day to come, too. He knew the cost to him for moving forward without the most ironclad proof.

[reddread]

59. after a stolen election, 9-11-01, yellow cake and the IWR?

Darn, disclosure of an act of treason from 1980 after all of that could have changed
what?

[blm]

61. You're being absurd and unrealistic because it's your comfort zone.

Have you tried attacking every other Democrat or Independent of the last 20 years as a traitor for not grabbing a camera and a mic and repeating charges without the proof in hand?

Kerry has investigated and exposed more government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history, yet, HE is the one being smeared the most by the right and agitprops on the left conveniently aligning themselves with the BFEE in their quest to maintain a crosshair target on Kerry. Who is looking to benefit in the long run? Those who need Kerry smeared as incredible in the expectation that at some point all those documents from IranContra, CIA drug running, and BCCI may end up being revisited and pieced together by new information and future investigative historians.

[reddread]

63. the proof was in that bathroom, and the knowledge was widespread

Im talking about the absolute subversion of democracy at a critical juncture in our history.
I would not expect my hindsight to be any better than anyone elses.
The proof existed long before GW stole into office.
It certainly isnt only on Kerry, but you really need to get a new set of
glasses. Those rose lenses are not a good look.
you call this a comfort zone?
jesus. thats ludicrous.

[blm]

64. Without the 'absolute' proof in hand. You try it and see how far you get.

You wanted Kerry to do something he couldn't have done, especially at a time when he was working round the clock to uncover BCCI which also ended up revealing the S&L issues, and CIA drug running. But, YOU, and others have determined that Kerry didn't do enough - because we all know that exposing more government corruption than anyone else in modern history means that you had plenty of time and political capital to spend pursuing an investigation for the House committee.

[reddread]

66. Hey, no big deal

We needed another Bush or two in the White House.
Who knows how many we will get, since they got away with every crime they committed, no matter how bright the daylight.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/050610.html

http://consortiumnews.com/the-new-october-surprise-series/

admittedly, a lot of my recollections come from numerous radio interviews and discussions involving Parry on Flashpoints.
I could not care less about Kerry. He is just another politician looking to butter his own bread.
I have always (and I mean ALWAYS) wanted GHWB beheaded and his head kicked down the street like a soccer ball.
RIP Bill.
This country has gone down the tubes like it was on a super slide, and these unpunished, unremarked upon political crimes
are the reason.
enjoy the ride.

[blm]

68. So you target the one guy who fought the Bushes the most and earned the hatred of establishment DC.

Hatred that still comes out and even manipulated the left into joining their circle.

[reddread]

70. Yeah, Ive dogged him for years. He is the problem, no one else.

[xchrom]

12. du rec.

[Laughing Mirror]

13. "stunning hypocrisy of the US gov't"

Stunning indeed, and unfortunately noticed only by those who actually listen to what is being said and compare that to what actually has happened.

I guess it takes too much time to do that, to examine what is said against the facts, so most people just gulp down whatever they are spoon-fed, no matter its actual nutritional content or value. It's just so much easier that way.

[geek tragedy]

14. as opposed such as Robert Parry and those like him who lap up

whatever the Kremlin and Rt.com dish out.

Sorry, people who consistently throw in with a rightwing thug like Putin on international issues are not progressives and they certainly are not truthtellers.

[bobthedrummer]

17. .

thanks, I needed to laugh today

[Laughing Mirror]

18. So the facts are wrong ... right?

[geek tragedy]

19. Parry provides falsehoods, not facts. He still hasn't given up on his

quest to exonerate the Syrian government of using chemical weapons.

He himself regularly channels talking points from the Russian government through his contacts there--as he admits in his columns. he's either a willful shill for Putin or Putin's useful idiot

[Laughing Mirror]

43. Go read a transcript or two of Putin's little address

the other day, and then please share with us all the falsehoods you can find concerning US actions and policy as regards other nations.

This may take a while.

[reddread]

34. Incubators? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. But..but...we believe in the peoples right to "self-determination"....well....sometimes...

...when the corporations decide that they are a "democracy" and it's in our "vital national interest" to "protect" them.

[woo me with science]

16. K&R

[Rex]

21. Kerry should have kept his mouth shut or rephrased that another way.

Being the pot and calling the kettle black is a waste of everyones time.

[ProSense]

22. Kerry should not "have kept his mouth shut" because people want to side with Putin.

His statements were accurate, and he is doing his job.

[Rex]

24. Nonsense.

nt.

[Catherina]

29. So many pots....

Hi my dear friend

[Rex]

30. How have you been!

We all watched Kerry fail spectacularly in 2004. Wouldn't even defend himself against the GOP machine. Should have ran a fighter instead of a quitter in 2004.

[Catherina]

38. That's painful to even revisit

I've been good dear friend! Our shelter expanded and has a lot more support (and help) and we also started a small school. Still waiting for your visit! Hope all is well with you.

[blm]

40. Baloney - corpmedia's revisionist history.

Because the corpmedia was committed to keeping Bush in office.

Toolbox is full.

[Rex]

41. You can be a Kerry apologist all you want to.

It won't change the fact that he did not even TRY to defend his record in 2004. We should have ran a fighter and not a quitter.

[blm]

56. BS. He did most certainly and did it largely on his own with a crippled Dem party infrastructure

in crucial states where Terry McAuliffe had 4 years to strengthen and chose NOT TO. The 2004 election was lost in the years prior to that election. Had McAuliffe done his job and rebuilt party infrastructure in those states, especially like Ohio and Florida, Kerry would have prevailed.

McAuliffe was working for ONLY ONE Democratic campaign in 2002 and 2004 - Hillary2008.

[cali]

23. Here's my problem with this narrative: Hypcrisy is fundamental to the world

of diplomacy. this isn't new and isn't news. diplomacy may deeply flawed but it's better than the alternative. And really, you can't have diplomacy without it.

If only countries with clean records could comment on other countries, there would be more war, not less. And Russia has its own sucky record, as does China or any other powerful country.

it's kind of ironic because Mr. Perry is exhibiting his own hypocrisy in this piece.

"Only hypocrites cannot forgive hypocrisy"

E.M. Forster

[Catherina]

26. Good point but diplomacy isn't the art of hyperbole either

and usually one tries to veil the hypocrisy with subtlety. They're either not even trying, which is diplomatic fail, or tone deaf.

[cali]

27. hey, Catherina, I'm not saying that wasn't a dumb declaration from Kerry

just responding to Parry.

[ProSense]

35. Why was it "dumb," because Parry said it was hypocrisy? n/t

[Catherina]

37. I know lol. I know where you come from well enough

I don't always agree with you on small things like this but I admire, respect how there's always thought and consistency behind your principled positions.

[KoKo]

53. That was my complaint. Also,Kerry's comments about Syria were

bellicose and didn't fit with the prior images we had of him. His current posturing is what one would expect from John McCain not from SOS who is head of the Diplomatic arm of our Government...although it's diplomacy has strayed in the past decades depending on who was SOS.

His "Pot/Kettle" comment seemed to reveal that he thinks we Americans and the rest of the World are ignorant of our US History. He should have realized that he would invite ridicule by making such a statement.

[blm]

62. Baloney, KoKo. He's saying and doing what is needed to be done to get to where they NEEDN'T rely

on military force as they were being pressured to do in Syria. No Sec of State is going to go into serious negotiations crawling on their knees and waving a white flag in hopes that a brutal dictator will take kindly to their humble nature and agree to stop using chemical weapons on innocent civilians.

And, as far as Ukraine is concerned, you really want to declare that Secretary of State Kerry should NOT have expressed the views of the US President Obama? You would have preferred he read a statement drafted by someone else?

[KoKo]

69. BLM...I think he should have "Back Channeled it" and not come out with

threats and hyperbole like he did with Syria. He should have been Diplomatic...is what I was saying.

[blm]

71. This is Kerry - he knows what he is dealing with and so do Obama and Biden.

.

[fascisthunter]

67. I Was Sort of Thinking the Same Thing

[JI7]

25. didn't Russia go into Afghanistan at some time ?

[reddread]

33. Putin's a Hitler n/t

[TeeYiYi]

36. Hey Cat...

...So good to see you, my friend.

TYY

[Catherina]

50. Hi TeeYiYi!

Same here!

[mylye2222]

44. the real reason some ppl here have a problem with stqnding Kerry

Is that he broke an unvritten rule by staying involved in politics after his "loss" ten years ago. They still dont accept it. The other thing that disturbs them is that this guy is too smart to match the mainstream politic of smearing instead of respectful criticism or offering solutions.

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. There's enough room on that bench for both of them.

[WillyT]

47. K & R !!!

:donkey;

[Romulox]

49. It's *so unfair* that John Kerry's present credibility is determined by his past actions!

I mean, have you seen how rich this guy is? Rich guys don't have to say they're sorry.

[840high]

54. k/r thank you

[ProSense]

65. Putin 2003:“The use of force abroad...can only be sanctioned by the United Nations...

Putin 2003:“The use of force abroad...can only be sanctioned by the United Nations...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024622802

Analysis: Why Russia's Crimea move fails legal test
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024623531

[ProSense]

72. Robert Parry has a very creative imagination: Obama neocon buster

Robert Parry has a very creative imagination: Obama neocon buster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024629463