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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:55 PM Mar 2014

LaPierre Warns Of Vast Media-Political Conspiracy Out To Get NRA

DANIEL STRAUSS – MARCH 6, 2014, 3:18 PM EST

National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre warned of a vast opposition of united "elite media" and political culture that's out to get the NRA and its supporters.

LaPierre delivered the remarks during a wide-ranging speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday.

"The political and media elites are lying to us. You know they are. They lie bills into law," LaPierre said. He then pivoted to the Internal Revenue Service suggesting the Obama administration has used it to attack NRA supporters. "The IRS is now a weapon, a weapon to punish anyone who disagrees with us. And that means every one of you."

He then threw in a dig, "Here's how you know the media is lying: they still call themselves 'journalists.'"

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LaPierre Warns Of Vast Media-Political Conspiracy Out To Get NRA (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2014 OP
let's hope so.... spanone Mar 2014 #1
Fear fear fear sells guns upaloopa Mar 2014 #2
Odd. I have a houseful of rifles, shotguns and handguns. I don't live in fear. ... spin Mar 2014 #4
What was Wayne selling? upaloopa Mar 2014 #6
Out of the 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation only 5,000,000 belong to the NRA. ... spin Mar 2014 #7
Here's what tells me something. upaloopa Mar 2014 #10
the NRA was sensible for over one hundred years until they had two "takeovers" of ideology. One of okaawhatever Mar 2014 #18
It would be nice to have another gun organization. ... spin Mar 2014 #19
We we are always hopeful or else it would be hard to upaloopa Mar 2014 #22
Very true. (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #36
There are no "middle of the road gun organizations" because of hate NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #33
It tells me the tail wags the dog. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2014 #21
You may well be right. (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #41
You are definitely a sane gun owner based on your history here! nt Logical Mar 2014 #15
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #20
Yes! Aristus Mar 2014 #3
I personally have no problems with your emotional outburst ... spin Mar 2014 #5
There are no reasonable people on the "other side of the debate". Aristus Mar 2014 #14
I disagree. Polls show that many people in our nation support some reasonable changes ... spin Mar 2014 #35
I'm curious, is your little screed aimed at every single person in the US who owns a firearm? 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #8
How long have we known each other, 11-Bang? Aristus Mar 2014 #16
A while now, and maybe I should pay more attention to who authors the posts ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #24
I'm willing to accept a little nuance. Aristus Mar 2014 #25
Absolutely chilly. But my handguns are my dad's .45 that he carried into aerial combat ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #32
Nah. I don't have a problem with commemorative pieces. Aristus Mar 2014 #39
LOL, compelling argument! nt Logical Mar 2014 #17
LaPierre and CPAC - more proof that the NRA is TheCowsCameHome Mar 2014 #9
Or that all of them Aerows Mar 2014 #30
Probably, but maybe... DonViejo Mar 2014 #38
The NRA will never agree to any new regulation, TheCowsCameHome Mar 2014 #11
Poor little gunmongers.. their GUNS aren't killing enough people. Cha Mar 2014 #12
Support of the NRA should be immediate ban here. And I am ok with CCW. nt Logical Mar 2014 #13
LaPierre speaks for a small percentage of gun owners. Unfortunately, he's the loudest voice in okaawhatever Mar 2014 #23
Fucking douchebag is so mentally disturbed that he should NEVER be allowed madinmaryland Mar 2014 #26
I hope the bigots and callous people who run that white wing organisation keep worrying. Hoyt Mar 2014 #27
Oh, Pierre Le Pew HockeyMom Mar 2014 #28
Wayne LaPierre works for the gun manufacturers, plain and simple. They want sales and Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #29
Someone's hat is a tad too tight. City Lights Mar 2014 #31
Paranoia strikes deep... MineralMan Mar 2014 #34
CPAC: Crazy People Are Coming Politicalboi Mar 2014 #37
Jackass. lonestarnot Mar 2014 #40

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Fear fear fear sells guns
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:00 PM
Mar 2014

No greater right then to die with a house full of rifles shotguns and handguns. After a life of living in fear.

spin

(17,493 posts)
4. Odd. I have a houseful of rifles, shotguns and handguns. I don't live in fear. ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

I do enjoy target shooting and have for over 40 years. It's a challenging hobby to master but I love the effort and find it strangely relaxing.

I could grab a firearm for self defense if someone is foolish enough to break into my home but I doubt that will ever happen. I also have a carry permit and carry out of habit but I first got it over 15 years ago when I lived in a fairly dangerous area of Tampa. Even in that crime ridden neighborhood I personally never had a reason to use one of my weapons to stop a "bad guy." My daughter did stop an intruder who was breaking into our home by merely pointing a large caliber revolver at him. He ran. He seemed determined to break in as he was forcing the sliding glass door in our kitchen open despite the fact that he had set off an alarm and there was a 60 pound Black Lab in the house. Perhaps it was a good idea that I often took my daughter with me to the range.

I will agree that many people buy into the propaganda that we live in extremely violent times but violent crime in our nation has fallen to lows last seen in the late 1960s. Perhaps those people who buy a firearm for home defense and never go shooting are fearful but the regular shooters that I have known over the years have never struck me as worried that they will be attacked. If it does happen they simply feel that they are as prepared as possible. Of course the people that I have known are firearm hobbyists who enjoy shooting mainly for the sport. Having a firearm for self defense and the ability to use it effectively is mainly viewed as a side benefit of the hobby.

I could add that to me it makes little sense to buy a firearm for home protection or to legally carry unless you are willing to spend time on the range learning the skills necessary to use it. It reminds me of a person who reads a book on karate and after feels that he can use the skills he studied to stop an attacker. Chances are that he will fail.

For some reason I don't feel that most gun control advocates are qualified to psychoanalyze gun owners and conclude that all are paranoid or fearful. This is simply a form of stereotyping and most well educated people try to avoid painting others with a broad brush. Some gun owners may live in fear but many do not.


upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. What was Wayne selling?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:14 PM
Mar 2014

His whole speech was fear and paranoia
So I completely disagree with you

spin

(17,493 posts)
7. Out of the 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation only 5,000,000 belong to the NRA. ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:22 PM
Mar 2014

That should tell you something.

I could add that many who belong to the NRA do so because the parent organization does a lot to aid the shooting sports and publishes an excellent magazine and other publications that deal with the technical details of firearms, reloading ammunition and the history of firearms.

I've known a good number of regular shooters who joined the NRA and dropped their membership as they grew tired of the constant propaganda and the push for donations by the NRA-ILA.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. Here's what tells me something.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:30 PM
Mar 2014

There is no gun organization for the people you say are not the nuts Wayne is talking to. Why? You let the crazies make all the noise.
I would like to see a sensible gun lobby that agrees we have too much gun violence and wants to work with sensible people who want to reform gun laws. Not gun grabbers and not gun nuts but reasonable people on both sides. Put the NRA out of business. Have a hunters or gun sports organization but not the NRA that goes to CPAC.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
18. the NRA was sensible for over one hundred years until they had two "takeovers" of ideology. One of
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

the big ones was when they decided to start taking donations from gun manufacturers and sellers. The other was when they were going to fire Wayne LaPierre and he rallied enough support to only be put on probation, or sanctioned. (don't recall the exact term). After that LaPierre basically took over and it's become more active politically and more consumed with the gun seller and manufacturer's ideas. The NRA of 20 years ago most people wouldn't even recognize.

spin

(17,493 posts)
19. It would be nice to have another gun organization. ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

One which would defend the 2nd Amendment and oppose efforts to disarm citizens or to ban firearms but would advocate for truly sensible improvements to our national gun laws.

It might also be nice to have a third party in congress that would fit between the two major parties and appeal to the majority of people in our nation, most of whom are disgusted with the Republican and Democratic Parties and their inability to find solutions to the many problems our nation faces.

The main problem is obtaining the funding necessary to create such an organization or party. The effort would probably have to first occur at the state level and it would take years to develop.

It is sad that the loudest voices we hear are the extremists, both liberal and conservative. Compromise seems to be a word endangered of extinction in our nation.



NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
33. There are no "middle of the road gun organizations" because of hate
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:56 PM
Mar 2014

Both sides hate each other. People that oppose gun ownership generally have a very low opinion of all gun owners. They despise them, make jokes about compensation for genitalia issues, and regard them as near sub-human. Given such hate, few gun owners even want to associate with such people. And many gun owners hate their opposition just as strongly.

And sometimes that applies to other issues. I absolutely hate the anti-abortion "pro-life" movement and it's despicable sacks of human filth who picket clinics. I have zero respect for their "opinion".

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
3. Yes!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:01 PM
Mar 2014

We're out to get you, you cowardly, gun-crazed fuckwads; you shit-stains on the underwear of humanity!

The sooner you have disappeared from the face of the Earth, the better off the rest of us will be...





spin

(17,493 posts)
5. I personally have no problems with your emotional outburst ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:14 PM
Mar 2014

but I will point out that such statements only hinder the chances of any changes to our national gun laws that reasonable people on both sides of the debate hope to implement.

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
14. There are no reasonable people on the "other side of the debate".
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:45 PM
Mar 2014

THAT'S why there will be no substantive changes to the law.

You think the gun fucks give a fart in a high wind about my emotional outburst?

spin

(17,493 posts)
35. I disagree. Polls show that many people in our nation support some reasonable changes ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

to our national gun laws. In my opinion the rash of bans and limits on magazine capacity that recently passed in some states has eroded support for new gun control legislation. I believe most people including gun owners wish to reduce the level of gun violence in our nation but do not strongly support banning certain firearms, requiring any form of national registration or the confiscation of firearms from honest sane and responsible individuals.

January 30, 2014
Americans' Dissatisfaction With Gun Laws Highest Since 2001
Increase in proportion who are dissatisfied and want less strict laws


***snip***

Americans may be dissatisfied with gun laws because they believe they should be stricter, or because they believe the laws are too strict as they are. Therefore, Gallup asks those who are dissatisfied with gun laws to choose among explanations for their dissatisfaction. Those who are dissatisfied have historically leaned heavily in the direction of wanting stricter rather than less strict laws.

But this year, the gap between those wanting stricter gun laws and those wanting less strict laws narrowed as a result of a sharp increase in the percentage of Americans who want less strict laws, now at 16% up from 5% a year ago. Support for making gun laws stricter fell to 31% from 38% last January. The January 2013 poll was conducted shortly after the December 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting tragedy, which sparked some state governments to consider new gun laws and a robust national discussion about the issue.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167135/americans-dissatisfaction-gun-laws-highest-2001.aspx


Many gun control advocates who post here have stated that "nobody wants to take your guns away." That sounds like a reasonable position to me and perhaps reasonable gun owners would be willing to work with such people to improve existing federal gun laws.

The gun control movement has a long history of trying to ban and even confiscate firearms in our nation. Let's look at the history of the Brady Campaign:

Brady Campaign

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence are affiliated 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(3) (respectively) nonprofit organizations in the United States. Together, they are commonly referred to as the Brady Campaign. They are named after James "Jim" Brady, who was permanently disabled as a result of the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt of 1981, and Sarah Brady, who was a leader within the organization from 1989 until 2012.

The Brady Campaign was founded in 1974 as the National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH). From 1980 through 2000 it operated under the name Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI). In 2001, it was renamed the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and its sister project, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, was renamed the Brady Center to Prevent Handgun Violence....emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign


How the Gun-Control Movement Got Smart
MOLLY BALLFEB 7 2013, 7:00 AM ET

Here is how advocates of gun control used to talk about their cause: They openly disputed that the Second Amendment conferred the right to own a gun. Their major policy goals were to make handguns illegal and enroll all U.S. gun owners in a federal database. The group now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence was once known as Handgun Control Inc.; a 2001 book by the executive director of the Violence Policy Center was entitled Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.

***snip***

If the NRA today seems fixated on the notion that the left is out to undercut the Second Amendment, confiscate law-abiding Americans' legally acquired firearms, and instigate federal-government monitoring of all gun owners, that's because 15 years ago, gun-control advocates wanted to do all of those things.
...emphasis added

Federal licensing and registration as a requirement for gun ownership was a top policy goal -- in the 2000 Democratic presidential primary, then-Vice President Al Gore came out in favor of photo licenses for gun owners, drawing criticism from Senator Bill Bradley, who supported the further step of registering every gun. National bans on handguns were also on the agenda: One such proposal, introduced in the House and Senate in 1993, would have "prohibit[ed] the transfer or possession of handguns and handgun ammunition, except in limited circumstances," requiring current handgun owners to turn in their weapons over the course of a six-month grace period. And the idea that the Second Amendment didn't confer an individual right to own a gun, which was at the time a fairly mainstream legal view, was part of the gun-control movement's gospel. (The Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that such a right existed, knocking down the D.C. handgun ban in the process.)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/02/how-the-gun-control-movement-got-smart/272934/


Gun rights advocates have a long memory. We understand that many in the gun control movement have a final goal of enacting firearm laws such as exist in Australia or Great Britain. That's why we oppose any gun bans or even restrictions on magazine capacity as they are just incremental steps to further gun bans and restrictions. However many who advocate stronger gun would simply like to see our existing laws strengthened to better insure that those who can buy and own firearms are honest, responsible and sane.

Once the leadership of the gun control movement totally gives up on trying to disarm citizens and instead advocate for truly sensible improvements to the current gun laws we may start to make some progress. Of course that will never happen overnight and may take years.

Statements like you made do nothing to improve the situation but merely convince even rational gun owners that compromise with gun control advocates is impossible and not worth the effort. Some will decide to simply resist any and all changes and to vote against any and all Democrats as our party is seen as the party of gun control. In close elections at the local, state and national level their votes may give the election to a Republican or even worse to an ultraconservative member of the Tea Party. Consequently many other truly important legislative ideas that our party advocates will face a difficult road and our nation will suffer in the long run.

I've known a good number of gun owners that I have met at the range that largely agree with me on many issues that Democrats support but Republicans do not. If I suggest they vote for a Democrat they politely inform me that they would never do so as they greatly value their hobby and investment in the shooting sports. It's sad to think that gun rights to them are the most important issue that drives them to the polls but it is.

Another factor which is rarely discussed is that the sale of firearms, especially assault weapons, absolutely skyrocketed in the last year after the tragedy at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. I feel that was mainly driven by the fear that another assault weapons ban would pass in congress and draconian gun laws would pass. I didn't run out and buy any firearms because I knew that there was little or no chance of such legislation passing. However I was greatly disturbed that an excellent opportunity to pass some real improvements to our gun laws went nowhere. I also feel that the effort to pass another AWB set back chances for improvement for many years. As I stated, gun owners have long memories.

By pushing for the AWB our party effectively shot itself in the foot. Now millions of new firearms are in the hands of citizens who had no previous need to own one. The NRA gained 500,000 new members and firearm and ammunition manufacturers profited.

I would like to see a return to times like when I grew up in the 1950s and 60s. The only people I knew who had firearms had good reason to own them as they were hunters, target shooters or collectors. The reality is that violent crime in our nation has fallen to levels last seen in the late 1960s. This fact is not widely publicized as it doesn't support either the idea that we need stronger gun control or the fantasy that we live in violent times and everybody should own a firearm for self defense.

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
16. How long have we known each other, 11-Bang?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:46 PM
Mar 2014

It's directed at fear-mongering asswipes like Wayne Lapierre.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
24. A while now, and maybe I should pay more attention to who authors the posts ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:34 PM
Mar 2014

to which I respond. "Fear-mongering asswipe" is too kind of a description for LaPierre; but as a gun owner who supports mandatory registration, closing of the gun-show loophole, magazine limits, trigger locks, and the banning of armor-piercing "cop-killer" ammunition, perhaps you can understand why I responded to your words before I noticed your username.
You've got to admit, this joint ain't the most nuanced when it comes to those of us who own firearms.

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
25. I'm willing to accept a little nuance.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:39 PM
Mar 2014

I wish we could ban private ownership of handguns and semiautomatic weapons. but I know that'll never happen. I'm willing to settle for all the things you named in your reply.

Are we cool?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
32. Absolutely chilly. But my handguns are my dad's .45 that he carried into aerial combat ...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:53 PM
Mar 2014

as a carrier-based fighter pilot in the South Pacific from 1943-1944 which I would be really unwilling to give up; and a 9mm that I use for target shooting which I suppose I could do without.
I also own a 30.06, a .22 rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun, all of which I use to hunt (and I know that opens up a WHOLE new can of worms, but we can save that for another day).

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
39. Nah. I don't have a problem with commemorative pieces.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:20 PM
Mar 2014

My father had a .38 that he carried (against Geneva Convention statute as a medical officer, but very necessary) in Vietnam. And he was bequeathed his father's service revolver from his time as one of the toughest cops in the history of the State of Oklahoma.

When my dad died, those pieces went to my brother. Fine with me. I don't own a gun. Once you've fired the 120mm smoothbore gun mounted on the M1A1 tank, nothing else satisfies.

My brother keeps them in a safe. He doesn't use them for anything, not even target shooting.

And I don't know anyone who has a problem with hunting weapons.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
9. LaPierre and CPAC - more proof that the NRA is
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

a tool of the right wing.

Pssssst, Wayne - they are coming to get you and your ilk - the sooner, the better.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
23. LaPierre speaks for a small percentage of gun owners. Unfortunately, he's the loudest voice in
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:07 PM
Mar 2014

the country. Remember, LaPierre gets his power from the rules allowing for political 501c(4)s and lack of campaign finance laws, not from the percentage of gun owners he represents.

It will crack me up if the Ukraine situation ends without more violence. It will absolutely shred his argument that RKBA is what protects citizens from tyranny.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
26. Fucking douchebag is so mentally disturbed that he should NEVER be allowed
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

to own or possess any type of weapon.

The fucking douchebag should be under mental care as is now allowed by the ACA.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. Oh, Pierre Le Pew
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:49 PM
Mar 2014

it is not just a media concoction but flesh and blood people who are tired of your BS.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. Wayne LaPierre works for the gun manufacturers, plain and simple. They want sales and
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

The fear tactic is a way to sell more guns to those he scares. I will not be donating or buying.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
37. CPAC: Crazy People Are Coming
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:26 PM
Mar 2014

To NRA: Nuts Right to Arm. They belong together like Peanut Butter and Chocolate.

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