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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:02 PM Mar 2014

Nader sends Bernie an unpleasant, sneering letter.

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In an unusual Wednesday letter, former long-shot presidential candidate Nader urged potential future long-shot presidential candidate Sanders to change the way he does business in the Senate and fulfill his “unfulfilled potential.”


“You are a Lone Ranger, unable even to form a core progressive force within the Senate,” Nader wrote the Vermont independent. “Without internal and external networking, there are no strategies to deploy, beyond speechifying, putting forward amendments that go nowhere and an occasional hearing where you incisively question witnesses.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/ralph-nader-bernie-sanders-letter-104376.html#ixzz2vDrRTH00

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Nader sends Bernie an unpleasant, sneering letter. (Original Post) cali Mar 2014 OP
Ralphie's upset because he's not getting any attention. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #1
The last time I gave a shit about Nader's opinions in re politics was never. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #2
What a load of projection. Skidmore Mar 2014 #3
Maybe he's mad ProSense Mar 2014 #4
Nader has hit the nadir? malthaussen Mar 2014 #5
If Bernie doesn't run as a dem, nobody outside of political junkies will ever hear of him. arcane1 Mar 2014 #26
Go get him Senator Nader! OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #6
Nader cracks me up. "from one ineffectual activist to another" Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #7
The last time I heard about Nader he was bitching that his Cisco stock dividend was too small Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #8
Yeah, making a shit-ton of money. He's still the same guy. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #18
If anybody knows about networking, it's Ralph "Half-a-Point" Nader. nt nyquil_man Mar 2014 #9
Yes, Ralph, you are so good at making friends, passing bills and building electoral coalitions. stevenleser Mar 2014 #10
Is Nader the John McCain of the left? He's really not in the Cleita Mar 2014 #11
It's true that Bernie will most likely never have the same impact as Ralph BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #12
Oy. You mad, Nader? HappyMe Mar 2014 #13
"Narcissistic fuckwad" is NOT an anagram for Ralph Nader! But it should be. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #14
Is this Nader's back-handed way of advising Bernie DURHAM D Mar 2014 #15
Ralph, thanks for "Unsafe at Any Speed" but stuff the rest, will ya? Scuba Mar 2014 #16
does Nader have boxes in his garage too? MisterP Mar 2014 #17
I'm still waiting for that Obama 2012 challenger from the left. joshcryer Mar 2014 #19
let me explain something for you. it's very simple. cali Mar 2014 #20
No. Fucking. Shit. joshcryer Mar 2014 #21
Great posts, josh Number23 Mar 2014 #25
Nader translated: "Hey! That's MY act!" JHB Mar 2014 #22
What an odd thing to do, and here it seems to make clear: has been unable to reach him despite years Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #23
Next up in the Queue for Nader: MineralMan Mar 2014 #24
This is gonna cause some brains to short circuit... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #27
Nader is a joke and no one should pay any attention to his stupidity Gothmog Mar 2014 #28
What a bitter, nasty old man. RiffRandell Mar 2014 #29
Ralph, it's time for you to sit down and shut the hell up. You have been a bad influence ladjf Mar 2014 #30

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Maybe he's mad
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:06 PM
Mar 2014

"Nader sends Bernie an unpleasant, sneering letter."

...that Senator Sanders mentioned running in 2016.

President Bill Gates? Go Home, Ralph Nader. You're Drunk.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560062


Fuck Nader!

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
5. Nader has hit the nadir?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:06 PM
Mar 2014

In fairness, from the part abstracted, he does make a good point: Bernie is articulate and has a lot of supporters, but what kind of machinery does he have in place, or what plan for assembling such machinery?

-- Mal

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. If Bernie doesn't run as a dem, nobody outside of political junkies will ever hear of him.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:06 PM
Mar 2014

Sad but true. We need a thousand more like him

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
7. Nader cracks me up. "from one ineffectual activist to another"
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:07 PM
Mar 2014

Hey, Nader. At least that guy is electable. You are giving networking advice and suggestions on building coalitions that can actually advance an agenda?!??....

BAHAHAHA!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
18. Yeah, making a shit-ton of money. He's still the same guy.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:59 AM
Mar 2014

He always had his little family-run empire that made millions and was beholden to no one...nothing has changed.

People that were fooled by his act never bothered themselves to look behind the curtain.

Nader is the 1%.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. Is Nader the John McCain of the left? He's really not in the
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

game is he anymore than McCain is Secretary of State.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
15. Is this Nader's back-handed way of advising Bernie
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:22 PM
Mar 2014

to do what he did and hold secret talks with the conservative money men and get them to pay for his 3rd party challenge thus guaranteeing a Republican win?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
16. Ralph, thanks for "Unsafe at Any Speed" but stuff the rest, will ya?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:48 PM
Mar 2014

It's been 50 fucking years Ralph. Since then you've just been a dick.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. let me explain something for you. it's very simple.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:09 AM
Mar 2014

In 2012 Obama was a sitting President. fewer challenges from the party holding the wh to a sitting president.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
21. No. Fucking. Shit.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:12 AM
Mar 2014

You must not have been around when Nader predicted some miraculous challenger from the left.

I wish I had what he was drinking when he said that shit.

edit: here cali, so you can be your usual dismissive self, this is what I was referring to: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/04/nader-almost-100-percent-chance-of-a-democratic-primary-challenger-to-obama/

enjoy insulting and overall being dismissive of me without appreciating my original comment to you!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
25. Great posts, josh
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

I think Nader may have been insulted by Sanders calling any attempt to run as an independent "the Nader effect."

An independent to the left of most Senate Democrats that he caucuses with, Sanders said he’s wary of running for president as an independent because it could help Republicans. In fact, he called it “the Nader dilemma.”

So, people can learn after all.

I actually find much of Nader's advice to Sanders to be wise and informative which shocks the hell out of me.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
22. Nader translated: "Hey! That's MY act!"
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:22 AM
Mar 2014

Except for the "occasional hearing where you incisively question witnesses" part. Ralphie-boy doesn't do that.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. What an odd thing to do, and here it seems to make clear: has been unable to reach him despite years
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:57 AM
Mar 2014

of trying.

So Bernie has had no interest in responding to Nader, for whatever reasons..which is his prerogative
and Nader responds with an inappropriate letter as Bernie sets his sights on the WH.

Just bizarre...Nader may be losing it.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. This is gonna cause some brains to short circuit...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:14 PM
Mar 2014

the brains of the self-proclaimed liberals who idolize Nader.

Fawk Nader!

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
28. Nader is a joke and no one should pay any attention to his stupidity
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:20 PM
Mar 2014

Nader is a joke and should be ignored

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
30. Ralph, it's time for you to sit down and shut the hell up. You have been a bad influence
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:33 PM
Mar 2014

on American politics for too long already.nt

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