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TNLib

(1,819 posts)
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:05 PM Mar 2012

Stand Your Ground Laws is about making money for Gun Manufacturers!

These Laws are being passed with one sole purpose and that is to make money for gun Manufacturers.

They are basically nonsencical laws that put lives at risk.
The sole purpose of these laws is to make money for companies that feed off of fear and hate!


Gun buyers swamped retailers nationwide last year, prompting a record 16.4 million instant criminal background checks of potential owners, up 14.2 percent from 2010, according to FBI figures. While some buyers may not have followed through with gun purchases or may have been denied, others bought more than one, so background checks are considered a good proxy for sales in the industry.


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Relaxed gun laws are likely a factor behind the boom in sales, although not the only reason and perhaps not the primary one, industry experts say


The NRA heavily lobbied the Florida legislature for the bill. Their chief Florida lobbyist, Marion Hammer, called the measure the group’s top priority for the year.


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Stand Your Ground Laws is about making money for Gun Manufacturers! (Original Post) TNLib Mar 2012 OP
The NRA is the Wizard of Oz, and if you pull the curtain, behind it you will find... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #1
yep Zimmerman was one of thier customers and you know the Customer is always right! TNLib Mar 2012 #2
He certainly was a customer. I'll bet Republicans or NRAers are hiding him. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #4
can you hear yourself... belcffub Mar 2012 #7
You don't think gun lovers would harbor this man? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #8
no.... belcffub Mar 2012 #10
It is a cult. You must be under the impression that I know no gun-lovers. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #12
from your posts perhaps some self-reflection is needed... belcffub Mar 2012 #17
If you bothered to understand what guns are FOR (and they're no longer for feeding ourselves) Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #18
Maybe not for you.... but I get over 3/4 of our yearly meet using mine belcffub Mar 2012 #19
Please tell us what guns are FOR? (he asks innocently..) n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #20
To kill humans. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #21
And that right there is where you've lost the majority of gun owners. X_Digger Mar 2012 #22
Looks like 99.9999% of all gun owners have defective weapons. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #25
news to me... I have shot 10s of thousands of rounds belcffub Mar 2012 #26
Where have you shot them? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #28
all over the place... belcffub Mar 2012 #29
And the point was to see how good you were at hitting A TARGET? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #31
not always... belcffub Mar 2012 #33
But you were practicing using a gun, though. For what ultimate purpose? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #34
to master a skill... belcffub Mar 2012 #35
Golf is a game you play against someone else. Guns are an implement used to kill human beings Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #36
I beg to differ... on all points really belcffub Mar 2012 #37
This country has huge gun crime. I've never felt safer than when I lived abroad. Upon returning Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #39
People (not guns) who commit crimes create crime rates. n/t Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #40
Then why aren't bombs sold widely? That's a bs argument by the gun lobby, the NRA and gunlovers nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #41
The keeping and bearing of bombs isn't protected by the 2nd Amendment. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #42
Are you under the impression that guns aren't used in sporting competitions against someone else? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #43
are you asking me??? belcffub Mar 2012 #44
No, I was replying to post #36. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #47
I'm sure they are, but that's not why 99.99% of gun lovers are so into them for. Further... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #45
It's certainly easier to dismiss someone else's argument by labeling them as "sick" and "psychotic" Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #46
Guns have one purpose nowadays, and it isn't to feed oneself and one's family. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #51
It rather depends on the gun, doesn't it? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #52
kinda like a broken record... i could just repeat what I said above but why bother... belcffub Mar 2012 #53
I feel the same way. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #54
Do not besmirch those corporations arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #5
:( I forgot those for-profit monsters were people. My apologies. lol nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #6
Does that mean... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23
Good luck! Those corporations are arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #27
Hmmmm. You may be onto something there... nt rrneck Mar 2012 #59
I say we get a Gulf fisherman... ellisonz Mar 2012 #60
People argue a lot about rrneck Mar 2012 #64
and shooting people to get away with it cuz they bother you a little bit.... msongs Mar 2012 #3
Really? flvegan Mar 2012 #9
I put a link in the post above. TNLib Mar 2012 #11
I see, so the cart pushes on the horse to make it go.. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #14
of course it... that and dumb people no thinking about consequences fascisthunter Mar 2012 #13
Gun sales spiked after Obama was elected in 2008. krispos42 Mar 2012 #15
"legacy"? iverglas Mar 2012 #32
No, I mean irrationally hating guns. krispos42 Mar 2012 #55
are we testing the limits of DU here? iverglas Mar 2012 #61
Oh, really? krispos42 Mar 2012 #66
yup iverglas Mar 2012 #67
*snort* krispos42 Mar 2012 #69
you know as well as anybody else iverglas Mar 2012 #70
Gun sales in California have been steadily increasing since about 2003. Obama is not the issue. slackmaster Mar 2012 #49
Could be, but I'm talking nation-wide krispos42 Mar 2012 #56
The last time I remember widespread ridiculously inflated prices on ARs started in 1994. slackmaster Mar 2012 #57
Yeah, a public fight over a servicable but niche item... krispos42 Mar 2012 #71
This OP makes me think of that Nick Cage movie.......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #16
Lord of War. ellisonz Mar 2012 #24
yes, but it isn't the only reason iverglas Mar 2012 #30
Guns are people too, my friend. ellisonz Mar 2012 #38
You lost me at the first sentence, iverglas. The rate now may be lower than 35 years ago, however... slackmaster Mar 2012 #50
omg, you can see me???? iverglas Mar 2012 #62
Please provide a credible source to back up your factoid... slackmaster Mar 2012 #63
I did iverglas Mar 2012 #65
Thanks for that. I see that data for HAVE GUN IN HOME span from 1973 - 2006 inclusive with gaps slackmaster Mar 2012 #68
Gun sales have risen about as fast in California as in the US as a whole, with no new SYG laws slackmaster Mar 2012 #48
I still have three on my list for this year. ileus Mar 2012 #58

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
1. The NRA is the Wizard of Oz, and if you pull the curtain, behind it you will find...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:11 PM
Mar 2012

gun manufacturing corporations worldwide.

And they are the right hand of the Republicans.

Which is why the asshole who sponsored the murderers-go-free law in Florida, was a Republican.

belcffub

(595 posts)
7. can you hear yourself...
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:43 PM
Mar 2012

yeah I am betting the NRA as safe houses all over the place just in case stuff like this happens... they also snuck into my house and cut the mattress tags off...

belcffub

(595 posts)
10. no....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:57 AM
Mar 2012

the fact that you think it is some sort of a cult or something is absurd... do you think there is a secret handshake... maybe a branding... oh I bet it is a branding...

I am a gun owner... I am active on one of the largest gun board outs there... before I read the story on DU someone posted the story... the subject line was "Looks like a bad shoot"... many gun owners said it looked like zimmerman was in the wrong right out of the gate... but you could have picked up that discussion and dropped it here and you would not know the difference...

when people here start posting about the mythical boogyman that is the NRA (I hear they live under bridges and steal you baby) we sound like the freepers... worse because we claim to be superior... we claim they are mentally challenged then give them credit for schemes that Lex Luthor would be proud of... aburd... and we should be better...

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
12. It is a cult. You must be under the impression that I know no gun-lovers.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:40 PM
Mar 2012

Let me assure you, I do.

All gun lovers I know are in love with their guns. They're pretty scary. They generally get a 'look' when they discuss their guns. It's not a pretty sight.

belcffub

(595 posts)
17. from your posts perhaps some self-reflection is needed...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:14 AM - Edit history (1)

I know hundreds of gun owners... doctors, teachers, social workers... people from all walks of life... men and women... blacks, asians and whites ( I don't know any hispanic gun owners personally but I bet they exist)... heck our local high school has a shooting team... and I live in Liberal NY in an urban area... hoping to get my daughter on the team if she is interested...

this past hunting season she came out with me for the first time... I think she thought hunting was a bit more exciting then it was in reality... we will see if she want to go next year...

for many guns are a hobby... some are collectors who have hundreds of different guns and never shoot any of them... they are always looking to fill wholes in their collection... some are competitive shooters... could be skeet... trap... rifle or pistol... some are hunters... I know some old timers who buy their license every year... go out with their rifle and find a place to sit... but there is no ammo on them or their rifle... they just like the ritual of sitting in the woods during hunting season...

I am a gun person... as it is a hobby of mine I do like to talk about it... get me talking about any of my other hobbies... like tractor restoration or ham radio... atv... my off-grid cabin project... and I can talk for hours... because it interests me... if I think someone else is interested in it I can talk...

I see more crazy from some Dog and Cat people ( I have both by the way) then I have ever seen from gun people...

your posts sound like you are projecting your fears and paranoias on others. many anti-gun people seem to have a cult like group think going on... perhaps a mirror is needed for root out the cult like behavior

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
18. If you bothered to understand what guns are FOR (and they're no longer for feeding ourselves)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:41 PM
Mar 2012

and if you bothered to understand the sickeningly high rate of gun murders in this country, you would see it differently.

But I can't expect gun lovers to even DESIRE to view reality.

belcffub

(595 posts)
19. Maybe not for you.... but I get over 3/4 of our yearly meet using mine
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:40 PM
Mar 2012

if you choose to let someone else kill your meet for you good for you... I take and butcher most of my meet... if I lived in a less urban area I would raise my own animals...

if you would see that our non-gun murder exceeds most non third world country... that if you removed every gun from the US we would still have one of the highest murder rates out there... that canada which has a similar gun owner percentage has a gun and non gun murder rate that is a small fraction of ours... maybe then you would see that it is not the tool used in the commission of the crime but the criminal...

I do see your point of view... I understand where you are coming from... I just have come to a different conclusion looking at the evidence...

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
22. And that right there is where you've lost the majority of gun owners.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

Thank you, Bob has some lovely parting gifts for you on the way out.

The next contestant is....

belcffub

(595 posts)
26. news to me... I have shot 10s of thousands of rounds
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:51 PM
Mar 2012

and never killed any people... heck you would figure if that was their purpose someone I know would have killed someone with a gun by now...

The only person I know who killed anyone did it with his bare hands... I only meet him after he got out of jail... nice guy... probably a good idea not to piss him off... oh.. wait just remembered the lady in the basement of my building... DWI and leaving the scene... she did six months of weekends... didn't even loose her job... I won't be asking her for a ride anytime soon...

belcffub

(595 posts)
29. all over the place...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:13 AM
Mar 2012

back yard growing up, summer camp, indoor gun range near my house, trap place a friend belongs to, my cabin... lots of places...

heck I remember shooting trap with my dad in the sandpits (eastern MA) and a cop rolls in and asks what we are doing... we dad told him shooting some clay pidgins... cop asks if he can do a round... we have a picture around somewhere... good guy...

that was back in the 80's though... rules were different back then... I wouldn't do the same today and only shoot on land I own or ranges for the most part...

belcffub

(595 posts)
33. not always...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:50 AM
Mar 2012

sometimes I am practicing trigger control, malfunction clearing (put a snap cap in the mag), breathing and shooting on the rest, etc... then it's easier to concentrate on the task at hand if there is no target...

most of the time it is hitting a target though...

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
36. Golf is a game you play against someone else. Guns are an implement used to kill human beings
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:51 AM
Mar 2012

A golf club and a ball are not implements used for the murder of humans.

belcffub

(595 posts)
37. I beg to differ... on all points really
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:59 AM
Mar 2012

Golf can be played against someone else... does not have to be...

The percentage of guns used as you describe is infinitely small... I know hundreds of gun owners... not a one has used one in such a manor... all of them hope to never need to use them in such a way... just as the golfer would hope to never have to use a golf club in such a way...

I am betting I could find a case where both a golf club and golf balls have been used to murder humans...

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
39. This country has huge gun crime. I've never felt safer than when I lived abroad. Upon returning
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:05 AM
Mar 2012

to the U.S. I once again had to get used to the high gun crime rate and beware of not going out alone at night, being extremely careful wherever I went, etc.

Guns have created this monstrous crime rate.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
42. The keeping and bearing of bombs isn't protected by the 2nd Amendment.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
Mar 2012

Comparing guns to bombs is a bs argument by the gun grabbers...

belcffub

(595 posts)
44. are you asking me???
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:27 AM
Mar 2012

I never said they weren't... up thread I actually said for some that is the whole reason they have them... our local high school's shooting team competes regularly... but for me, with the hobby portion of my gun ownership, it is just improvement of a craft... I have no desire to compete against others...

I also like to collect a bit... but it is a pretty expensive thing to collect so that takes time...

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
45. I'm sure they are, but that's not why 99.99% of gun lovers are so into them for. Further...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:31 AM
Mar 2012

the American mentality and obsession with regard to guns is sick. In other countries with almost no gun crime, there's safety and people aren't obsessed with guns. They sure as hell are here. Obsessed isn't even the word. It's a psychosis of sorts.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
46. It's certainly easier to dismiss someone else's argument by labeling them as "sick" and "psychotic"
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:35 AM
Mar 2012

rather than discussing the substance of the argument at hand, I'll give you that...

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
52. It rather depends on the gun, doesn't it?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:29 AM
Mar 2012

An over and under shotgun is, almost without exception, used for either trap shooting or hunting. On the other hand, a Glock is designed for self defense.

Both of these being perfectly legitimate activities.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
23. Does that mean...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:23 PM
Mar 2012

...if I chase down a corporation in a public street, attack it, and then kill the corporation with a gun, that it's Stand-Your-Ground and I get a presumption of self-defense for criminal/civil liability purposes?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
60. I say we get a Gulf fisherman...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:16 PM
Mar 2012

...and have him test that theory on BP.

"I reasonably believed BP was going to cause be serious bodily harm or death."

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
64. People argue a lot about
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:33 PM
Mar 2012

guns in cars at work. Be that as it may, I've always liked the image of a CEO looking out the windows of his corner office on the thirtieth floor at a sea of cars below wondering how many of them have AR15s in the trunk. Let them eat cake indeed...

msongs

(67,443 posts)
3. and shooting people to get away with it cuz they bother you a little bit....
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

like the guy who didnt like skateboarders around SO HE GOT OUT HIS GUN FIRST and went to argue with them. Naturally there were some objections to an armed thug coming out to start an argument and what do you know, somebody ended up shot dead by the armed thug who deliberately brought his gun.

flvegan

(64,416 posts)
9. Really?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:07 AM
Mar 2012

Back that assumption up.

Specifically, that said laws are all about making money for entities that manufacture guns. GO!

Don't disappoint.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
11. I put a link in the post above.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:03 AM
Mar 2012

I thought it was a pretty good article that explained it.

Here' the link again.

MSNBC Link

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
15. Gun sales spiked after Obama was elected in 2008.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:50 PM
Mar 2012

SYG passed in Florida in 2005.


No, the legacy of Democrats as irrationally hating guns and willing to do or say anything to get them outlawed and out of the hands of the people is what drove the boom of gun sales, when combined with Obama's election to the presidency.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
32. "legacy"?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:43 AM
Mar 2012
No, the legacy of Democrats as irrationally hating guns and willing to do or say anything to get them outlawed and out of the hands of the people is what drove the boom of gun sales, when combined with Obama's election to the presidency.


I think you meant to say "right-wing lie", didn't you?

Normal, decent people don't actually accuse other people of "irrationally hating guns" or portray their political adversary as having done and wanting to do things they've never done and never indicated a desire to do. That's what the right wing does.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
55. No, I mean irrationally hating guns.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:28 PM
Mar 2012

If you're against gun for having a pistol grip, but have no problem with the exact same gun without a pistol grip, you're irrational. You're waging a war against the perceived mentality of the person who would prefer the pistol grip over the traditional straight grip.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
61. are we testing the limits of DU here?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:23 PM
Mar 2012

As a very long-time poster in the Guns forum, a former moderator (something that struck me as somewhat odd, that you would mod a forum where you were so actively engaged on one "side&quot and current host of the group, you have to be as aware as I am that using the word "irrational", let alone "irrational hatred", to refer to advocates of gun control measures was expressly prohibited in the past.

You claim that legislators - Democrats - who supported this particular measure (the "assault weapons ban" that outlawed firearms with certain combinations of characteristics -- a pistol grip alone not meeting the test) are irrational.

You know absolutely that there are arguments for that measure that do not begin to meet the standard for "irrational", let alone for your initial claim of "irrational hatred" of objects.

Under the former DU2 arrangements, discourses like yours were confined to the Guns forum, where at least minimal standards like I've described were enforced.

Now that we're all over GD with this stuff, it seems there are no standards at all.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
66. Oh, really?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 03:01 PM
Mar 2012

1.) Are you accusing me of bias? If no, then why even bring it up?

2.) Considering some of the terms that are being used to describe gun owners, I really do wish you would seek to apply your standards to your side of the argument.



I'm claiming that the reasons for the hatred is irrational, and that the reasons for the proposed legislation is irrational.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
67. yup
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 03:25 PM
Mar 2012
1.) Are you accusing me of bias? If no, then why even bring it up?

The perception of bias is what is important. And ordinarily, one would not put one's self in a position where there could be such a perception.


2.) Considering some of the terms that are being used to describe gun owners, I really do wish you would seek to apply your standards to your side of the argument.

I haven't spent enough time consistently in the Guns forum reading everything posted there to know what you're referring to. My understanding was that a consensus was sought early at DU3 to rule out pejoratives referring to the other "side". If that isn't being followed, then I guess posters in that forum need to persuade jurors to uphold a better level of discourse.

As you know, I refer to the individuals and organizations waging the right-wing war on society on the firearms policy front as gun militants. I have no trouble identifying those entities in the public discourse and public events. If anyone who posts at DU matches their characteristics, they are welcome to self-identify. I do not characterize any particular individual who posts at DU as anything other than a DU poster.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
69. *snort*
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:33 PM
Mar 2012

Man, sometimes I miss being a mod and having all your deleted posts at my fingertips.

Of course, it would be inappropriate to browse through them and publicly or privately draw them to your attention, but it would occupy me for a while.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
70. you know as well as anybody else
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:06 AM
Mar 2012

what weight I put on the deleting/hiding of posts, and what I think of both the moderation process and the jury process. Somebody else might think you have a case to make, but it holds no water for me.

There's always been a whole lot more than a perception of bias going on.

Not that it's always bias. Sometimes it's just utter failure.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
56. Could be, but I'm talking nation-wide
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:30 PM
Mar 2012

NICS checks went up. Remember the paranoia? ARs going for $1,500 a copy, ammo hard to find, etc?


Obama's comin' fer yer guns!!!

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
57. The last time I remember widespread ridiculously inflated prices on ARs started in 1994.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:09 PM
Mar 2012

It lasted 10 years.

In case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, the federal "assault weapons" ban that expired in 2004 was a far more effective gun sales stimulant than any state SYG law could ever be.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
71. Yeah, a public fight over a servicable but niche item...
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:16 AM
Mar 2012

...over nebulous features tends to make people cranky, especially people that get suspicious of the government really really easy.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
16. This OP makes me think of that Nick Cage movie..........
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:55 PM
Mar 2012

where he was a gun dealer. In his narration, he said something like, "Last year (X number) of guns were sold in the world. That's one for every 12 person on the planet. My question is, 'How can we sell to the other 11?'" Should I use quotes for a paraphrase?

Yeah in capitalism it's ALL connected and it's ALL about money.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
30. yes, but it isn't the only reason
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:39 AM
Mar 2012

Household firearms ownership rates in the US have declined steadily for about 35 years. Hunting and sports shooting (with long guns) have become much less popular and significantly fewer people are involved in them, thus in buying guns for them. High crime rates 35 years ago coincided with the industry's need for new products/markets. Voilà: handguns for the masses. Fifty years ago, handguns were much rarer among the general public.

But it isn't just corporations. It's the broader right wing.

Occuping society's public spaces is very important to the right wing. Vulnerable groups and individuals have to be kept in that state, and especially must not get uppity and start making demands.

The whole free-speech thing starting a few years ago was one front in the war. Horowitz and that ilk. Retaking campuses from the liberals; battling the PC army and making them safe for bigoted speech of all varieties. Free speech as a weapon against the enemy.

Guns serve the same purpose. In fact, the guns on campus crusade mimics its "free speech" on campus predecessor. Funded by the right wing, used by the right wing as an organizing tool, carried out by intimidation tactics. Ditto for "concealed carry" (let alone "open carry&quot . Let them all know that the right wing is there, everywhere, and armed to the teeth. The guns are heavily symbolic of the power they wield over anybody they don't like.

The NRA, of course, is a fully integrated wing of the right wing. It's the symbolic infantry.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
62. omg, you can see me????
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mar 2012

Maybe you missed my (and others') debunking of your pet Gallup poll back at DU2.

Here's my summary at DU3; see also DanTex's reply, quantifying my qualitative remarks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11727368#post3

The Gallup poll is internally nonsensical and unreliable, and inconsistent with things like the General Social Survey, widely regarded as a reliable measure of USAmerican attitudes and practices.

Your other link is merely a regurgitation of the Gallup material (without any of Gallup's own caveats, as discussed by DanTex, of course). Nice try.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
63. Please provide a credible source to back up your factoid...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:32 PM
Mar 2012

"Household firearms ownership rates in the US have declined steadily for about 35 years."

TIA

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
68. Thanks for that. I see that data for HAVE GUN IN HOME span from 1973 - 2006 inclusive with gaps
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
Mar 2012

49.1% indicated Yes for 1973, 34.5% for 2006.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
48. Gun sales have risen about as fast in California as in the US as a whole, with no new SYG laws
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:39 AM
Mar 2012

Sorry to blow out the logic here, but this contradicts the notion that Stand Your Ground laws have anything to do with increasing sales of firearms.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/dros_chart.pdf?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
58. I still have three on my list for this year.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:19 PM
Mar 2012

I've bought three and traded one.

Still want to get a pair of 22's for the kids, and a full sized M&P 40.....obama, syg, NRA...don't have anything to do with my buying habits.

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