Snowden recently changed his story because he's still desperate for clemency

[ProSense]

The Switchboard: Ron Paul starts petition for Snowden clemency
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/14/the-switchboard-ron-paul-starts-petition-for-sonwden-clemency/

All along, Snowden and his defenders have claimed he couldn't go through the proper channels out of fear. Now, he's claiming he went to 10 officials related to the leak.

Snowden: I raised NSA concerns internally over 10 times before going rogue

<...>

Yes. I had reported these clearly problematic programs to more than ten distinct officials, none of whom took any action to address them. As an employee of a private company rather than a direct employee of the US government, I was not protected by US whistleblower laws, and I would not have been protected from retaliation and legal sanction for revealing classified information about lawbreaking in accordance with the recommended process.

<...>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/07/snowden-i-raised-nsa-concerns-internally-over-10-times-before-going-rogue/

Information from GAP, a strong Snowden support group, and other reports refute his latest talking point.

VI. THERE IS A CLEAR HISTORY OF REPRISAL AGAINST NSA WHISTLEBLOWERS.

By communicating with the press, Snowden used the safest channel available to him to inform the public of wrongdoing. Nonetheless, government officials have been critical of him for not using internal agency channels – the same channels that have repeatedly failed to protect whistleblowers from reprisal in the past. In many cases, the critics are the exact officials who acted to exclude national security employees and contractors from the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2012.

Prior to Snowden’s disclosures, NSA whistleblowers Tom Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe, all clients of GAP, used internal mechanisms – including the NSA chain of command, Congressional committees, and the Department of Defense Inspector General – to report the massive waste and privacy violations of earlier incarnations of the NSA’s data collection program. Ultimately, the use of these internal channels served only to expose Binney, Drake and Wiebe to years-long criminal investigations and even FBI raids on their homes. As one example, consider that Tom Drake was subjected to a professionally and financially devastating prosecution under the Espionage Act. Despite a case against him that ultimately collapsed, Drake was labeled an “enemy of the state” and his career ruined.

http://www.whistleblower.org/blog/44-2013/2760-gap-statement-on-edward-snowden-a-nsa-domestic-surveillance

NSA watchdog: Snowden should have come to me
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/nsa-inspector-general-edward-snowden-103949.html

Snowden came to be bothered by much of what he saw in the CIA. He would later cite an operation to recruit a Swiss banker as an asset that involved getting the man arrested on drunk-driving charges. He also recalled, in an interview with The New York Times' Risen, the retaliation from a senior manager whose authority he'd once questioned. The incident arose over a flaw Snowden found in some CIA software, which he pointed out to his superiors. Rather than praising his initiative, however, one manager, who didn't appreciate such enterprising behavior, placed a critical note in his personnel file, effectively killing Snowden's chance for promotion. He eventually left the agency, "experiencing a crisis of conscience of sorts," as Anderson remembered. But Snowden also learned a valuable lesson: "Trying to work through the system," he told Risen, would "only lead to punishment."

Also, the reports about how he was able access the information cast doubt on his claim that he tried "10 times." In fact, he appeared to have gained unauthorized access (borrowing or duping a coworker out of his/her password) to steal the information.

Exclusive: Snowden Swiped Password From NSA Coworker

By Michael Isikoff

civilian NSA employee recently resigned after being stripped of his security clearance for allowing former agency contractor Edward Snowden to use his personal log-in credentials to access classified information, according to an agency memo obtained by NBC News.

In addition, an active duty member of the U.S. military and a contractor have been barred from accessing National Security Agency facilities after they were “implicated” in actions that may have aided Snowden, the memo states. Their status is now being reviewed by their employers, the memo says.

The Feb. 10 memo, sent to congressional intelligence and judiciary committees this week, provides the first official account of a sweeping NSA internal inquiry aimed at identifying intelligence officials and contractors who may been responsible for one of the biggest security breaches in U.S. history. The memo is unclassified but labeled “for official use only.”

While the memo’s account is sketchy, it suggests that, contrary to Snowden’s statements, he used an element of trickery to retrieve his trove of tens of thousands of classified documents: “At Snowden’s request,” the civilian NSA employee, who is not identified by name, entered his password onto Snowden’s computer terminal, the memo states.

“Unbeknownst to the civilian, Mr. Snowden was able to capture the password, allowing him even greater access to classified information,” the memo states.


- more -

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/exclusive-snowden-swiped-password-nsa-coworker-n29006

[Cha]

1. Snowden's a liar.. how's that working out for him?

[ProSense]

3. Uh, don't criticize Snowden.

LOL!

[Cha]

7. Yeah, don't trust your lyin' eyes.

Report Indicates Snowden/Greenwald Lied About Key Claims

* UPDATE #1 *

But wait! It turns out there's even MORE bullshit about abuses from the agenda-driven Greenwald (special thanks to one of the Greenwald supporters below for causing me to look this up). And this time, his bullshit about abuse under the NSA programs is countered by info from his own archives.

So, unable to provide any concrete examples of any actual abuse occurring under Obama, Greenwald has now been suggesting some wide-ranging abuses that were caught and stopped in 2011. Well, just as predicted, guess when the underlying NSA conduct at issue began? And guess who initiated the review that led to the END of the program? From Greenwald's own archives:


The documents indicate that under the program, launched in 2001, a federal judge sitting on the secret surveillance panel called the Fisa court would approve a bulk collection order for internet metadata "every 90 days". A senior administration official confirmed the program, stating that it ended in 2011.

* UPDATE #2 *

To those GG supporters desperately spinning the claim that only the phone call programs have safeguards, not the XKeyscore programs, not only is such a claim absurdly illogical on its face, but it is factually wrong. As to calls and XKeyscore alike, Snowden and Greenwald's claims are BULLSHIT.

First, GG himself admits that Snowden had NO legal authority to eavesdrop without a warrant.

Second, even the "simple form" GG claims Snowden could use to gain access requires AUTHORIZATION INFORMATION. Authorization that Snowden did not have.

From the NSA, buried among more mountains of bullshit, in the same XKeyscore article:..

dk

Snowden and Greenwald Beginning to Self-Destruct; ‘The Nation’ and ‘Mother Jones’ Raise Questions

snip//

"He handed over documents about American cyber warfare against China — to China. Specifically, Snowden gave the documents to a Hong Kong publication. Perhaps he was emboldened by all of the attention, hero worship and deification he received here. Who knows. Whatever drove him to do it, it was phenomenally irresponsible on a couple of fronts. Not only could he have exacerbated an already dubious international relationship, considering how there appears to be an escalating hacking war between the United States and China, but he also managed to turn numerous Americans against him — Americans who believe he crossed the line from whistleblower to traitor."



TDB

What a Job.. shifting through mountains of GG-ES Bullshit.

[Whisp]

11. heat seeking pathetic fuckers. n/t

[Cha]

149. Peas in pod..

[okaawhatever]

22. What? Facts? Be careful there, GG and Snowden don't like it when you reveal their secrets. nt

[Cha]

150. Yeah, they get all bully insulting and hostile.

[grasswire]

35. aren't you ashamed to post from Daily Banter?

It ought to be banned from DU.

[ProSense]

39. You mean, more "ashamed" than posting links to Paul Craig Roberts or Infowars?

I'd be "ashamed" if I believed Snowden.

[grasswire]

92. I didn't ask you.

I asked the poster.

[ProSense]

97. Well, I responded.

My bad. LOL!

[Cha]

133. No shame here.. Bob Cesca's got it goin' on. Course he's into

Reality and he exposes GG & ES so their fans want to cast shame upon him.

[Mojorabbit]

181. It is sad and that site ought to be banned from this one. nt

[Cha]

182. KICK!

[Cha]

128. You got to be shitting me. Just because snowden fans say something should

be banned? ROFL. That means it's MF GOOD.

[grasswire]

158. No. The Daily Banter is pure conjecture from a sensationalist.

Shame.

[Cha]

159. That's laughable coming from someone who sucks up GG lock stock and barrel.. and then

moans because someone exposes his disingenuous ass.

[grasswire]

161. how about a list of Greenwald misstatements?

Pretty please?

[Mojorabbit]

192. +100 nt

[leftynyc]

206. The same people that

love RT loathe anything that doesn't show their heroes in the correct light. And for them to be calling for the banning of anything is beyond irony.

[uponit7771]

191. FACTS SUCK!!!! / sarcarsm <-----cause this is needed around here

[Cha]

209. Greenwald and Snowden don't need no stinkin' facts and neither

do their little minions.

[SidDithers]

2. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Whisp]

4. Blatant square on Liar. 180° turn and it's still 'not about Snowden'.

golly geedumb.

[ProSense]

10. That's against the rules.

LOL!

[treestar]

5. How do we know Snow's manager wasn't right ?

We are to believe him lock, stock and barrel and not even hear anyone else's view.

The incident arose over a flaw Snowden found in some CIA software, which he pointed out to his superiors. Rather than praising his initiative, however, one manager, who didn't appreciate such enterprising behavior, placed a critical note in his personnel file, effectively killing Snowden's chance for promotion. He eventually left the agency, "experiencing a crisis of conscience of sorts," as Anderson remembered. But Snowden also learned a valuable lesson: "Trying to work through the system," he told Risen, would "only lead to punishment."

That's all just Eddie's opinion. Naturally he would put it that way, but how do we know that we should? And the "punishment" he is talking about involved promotions. It could be that Eddie was a pain in the ass and a crappy employee for all we know.

[Downwinder]

6. I can well believe it.

I called up the VP of a company and told him their computers were wide open to the internet. He told me that their consultant told them that was not possible. So I read some of his files to him. He said he wished I would not do that. So I didn't. I don't know that they ever fixed it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Yes ...

there are appropriate ways to report systemic issues ... being a glory hound ain't one of them (not saying that he was, but have reason to believe that may have been the case.)

[SomethingFishy]

8. So how many is this today?

Why don't you just put your cards on the table. Please.

What exactly is it you want? What is the goal? We Snowden worshippers, who bow at the feet of our god Snowden, basically want the NSA to stop treating every citizen in this country as guilty of something. I realize that is an unreasonable request, as being a citizen of the U.S.A. automatically makes you suspicious. However we will keep trying.

So tell me, what exactly do you want to accomplish?

Is there a way to compromise? Do we have any common ground at all? Is there a way to come together?

[ProSense]

9. Leave Snowden alone. n/t

[SomethingFishy]

14. Really? That's what you have? I ask a reasonable question in the spirit

of trying to find some common ground and you have no answer?

I don't really care if you leave Snowden alone, you are just embarrassing yourself, especially if you can't come up with a single goal you are trying to reach, other than to express your opinions on Snowden and be snarky to people.

[ProSense]

15. Why not? I mean, the OP is apparently hard to comprehend.

I should have just written: Snowden is a liar.

[SomethingFishy]

23. That's your goal? Snowden is a liar?

That's not really a goal. But if that's what you consider your "goal" then carry on.

Thanks. At least I know where you stand. However, as much as I would like to find common ground with you, as I did in the Health Care debate, with you not actually having a position except "Snowden is a liar" then I cannot in good conscience even attempt to find anything to agree on.

[ProSense]

24. LOL! It's a point and a fact, which seems to upset some people. n/t

[SomethingFishy]

30. Yes it's a point. And it may well be a fact.

But the documents he released are not "lies" they are documents. If they are full of lies then you better find the author and not the distributor.

However this is still not an answer to my question. From where I'm sitting it looks like your goal is to discredit Snowden and forget this ever happened, and let the NSA continue about it's business.

Is that about right?

[ProSense]

32. See, you do understand the point. n/t

[OilemFirchen]

44. When you implore that the NSA

"stop treating every citizen in this country as guilty of something"

you're not trying to find common ground.

[SomethingFishy]

59. Excuse me? There is no question and no debate that the NSA is collecting "meta data"

on American citizens who have done nothing wrong and have no reason for the NSA to be checking up on them.. No question. They admit it. Now maybe they aren't using it, and maybe they are, they sure aren't going to tell you.

[OilemFirchen]

124. Does your phone company think you're a criminal?

They've been collecting your metadata since you first signed up for their service.

Seems ridiculous to have to explain this yet again, but telephone metadata is the number calling, the number being called, the date, time and duration of the call.

If you believe that's indicative of suspecting you of criminality, don't look at your browser's cookies...

[SomethingFishy]

126. And they are doing it why?

To sell me something. Not to investigate me. And I agreed to it. Price of wanting a cell phone and signing an agreement.

However, if my cell phone company had me sign an agreement that they were collecting data to turn over to law enforcement to see if I was a criminal I would not have signed it. I would have told them to go fuck themselves.

See how that works?

[OilemFirchen]

157. But you likely did.

Your service provider owns the metadata. Though you may not like it, the FISC issues a warrant for that data, to some providers, every 90 days. Those providers must make the data available under said order. Chances are quite good that includes your provider.

Check your contract. Do you see language like this?

Telephone companies and VoIP providers may use, disclose or permit access to your customer information in these circumstances: (1) as required by law; (2) with your approval; and (3) in providing the service from which the customer information is derived.

I'll save you the trouble. It does. And you agreed to it when you subscribed to their service.

[randome]

18. .

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

25. Aww you found the Britney Gif...

Do you have a goal? Is there some outcome you are trying to reach?

Or is your outcome the same as Pro's? Snowden is a liar.


Is my goal not reasonable enough? To keep the NSA out of my business? Is that too much to ask? And why do you disagree with me?


Oh wait.. I already know the answer.... BENNNGAZHI!!!! sorry, sorry... I meant... SNOOOOWDEN!!!!!!

[ProSense]

27. Why are you so upset by this OP? n/t

[SomethingFishy]

36. I'm not upset.. I'm asking a question.

Trying to understand why we are so divided on this issue and why there is no room for debate.

But if you cannot provide an actual outcome you are looking for then I can't even make a sound decision on whether or not there is room for compromise.

I was against the Health Care bill, I wanted single payer. That was my goal. But I didn't sit here and shit all over Obama because I didn't get what I wanted. I admitted that he had an uphill battle and probably got the best deal he could at the moment.
I still disagree with you about the bill being "good". But there was no need to run around making multiple posts on why Obama was a jerk for not getting a public option or single payer in. It did no good for anyone.

Frankly at this point all I see in your Snowden posts is a horribly selfish need to be right. I see no logic, nothing that indicates an outcome, just an endless series of "Snowden is a liar" posts. Sorry, from my perspective this is how it looks.

Seems counterproductive to me.

[ProSense]

37. No

"I'm not upset.. I'm asking a question. Trying to understand why we are so divided on this issue and why there is no room for debate."

...you're in a thread that calls out Snowden on changing his story, and you're trying to deflect from that with questions unrelated to the OP. If you want to discuss "the issue" (I assume the NSA), then start a thread. You can then ask all the questions you want to.

[SomethingFishy]

41. So you won't answer them there either?

Sorry, I have tried and tried with you, but you don't want an honest debate. I have done all I could at this point to have an honest discussion, but it looks to me like your goal has nothing whatsoever to do with Snowden and the NSA.

[ProSense]

45. You want help trying to deflect from the OP?

Not going to happen. LOL!

[randome]

40. Mocking Snowden comes from the heart.

It's truly inconceivable to many of us why he should be anyone's hero. The metadata collection was known since 2007. The fact that we spy on other countries has been known since forever.

It seems naive -and, I suppose, tragically funny- that some want to see him as the Theseus of our time (channeling the Canadian sci-fi series, Continuum, here.).

To those of us who were already aware of these things, Snowden comes across as a petulant man-child who didn't get enough attention when he was growing up.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

46. But from my perspective much of what you say is made up...

If anyone dares to think the NSA may be doing some illegal shit they are automatically labeled a Snowden worshipper and dismissed out of hand.

Just because I believe that much of what was in those documents is true, and that there are bigger deeper secrets we will never know about, does not mean I think Snowden is a "hero".

But if thats what you have to believe then be my guest. It just doesn't accomplish anything.

I have been nothing but reasonable in this thread,(even joked about being a worshipper) yet it was met with snark, and stupid Gif's and it took 3 replies from you to get a straight answer and Pro still hasn't given one.

What would you think of that were you in my shoes?

[randome]

50. We're probably closer to agreeing than disagreeing.

If the NSA is doing anything illegal, I say let the chips fall where they may. But the metadata stuff was done with a legal warrant. Maybe Snowden doesn't like that but that doesn't give him the 'authorities' to give information to other countries about our international monitoring.

Of course there may be bigger secrets to come. But as I've often pointed out, you can't prove that the FBI isn't going through your garbage each night, either. Until someone furnishes proof that they are, why worry about it?

Same with the NSA. Carl Bernstein said he thought the NSA's protections against abuse were pretty solid. One person's opinion is not enough for me but neither is Snowden's opinion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

58. Seriously? We had to go through all this to figure out

we probably have the same goals? To find common ground?

This is exactly what I am talking about. If we just drop the goddamn snark and the playground attitudes we could come to a place where we could agree and move on to some of those other issues you were talking about!!!

[randome]

61. The snark is often in direct proportion to the hero worship.

Both extremes feed the other. But, yes, the NSA needs to be reformed. Greater privacy protections need to be put into place.

I think Obama's ideas about turning over the metadata collection to a third party is a dumb idea. Makes it even more likely for data to be stolen or intercepted by hackers.

But clearly the people who are 'in the know' about intelligence matters think it's too important a program to completely give up. Absent evidence to the contrary, I'll 'trust' the experts. Again, absent evidence to the contrary.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

194. In direct proportion to "perceived" hero worship.

You snarked at me in this very thread and I exibited not a single instance of "hero worship"....

[bahrbearian]

193. Their goal is to keep their jobs and keep the pay checks coming.

[rhett o rick]

163. Yes it's so much easier to hate than deal with the truth. nm

[randome]

34. No one's in your business! At least that you can point to.

Metadata records? Meh. People aren't in the streets over that. The NSA 'watching our thoughts form as we type'? Doubtful. PRISM being a process whereby the entire Internet is downloaded on a daily basis? Hilarious.

Snowden running to hide in Russia? Priceless.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

38. So you have no goal because you think there is nothing wrong.

Your goal is to discredit Snowden...

THANK YOU! Finally a straight fucking answer.

Granted one that I cannot possibly compromise with but at least I know not to waste my time.

And really, if you want to change peoples minds, posting a stupid Britney Gif because someone asked a reasonable question is not the way to go about it.

[randome]

43. Eh. See post #40. We're only trying to save you from yourselves!

Okay, that was clearly sarcasm. But it is hilarious to me -and, I suppose, to those who agree with me- that you are willing to set your sights so low in order to think anything has been accomplished by Snowden's actions.

Climate change, GOP obstructionism, gay rights, lack of jobs, crumbling infrastructure, and you want to inveigh against imagined slights, that someone, somewhere, might be looking at your phone records.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

51. Ahh the old "you can't deal with more than one issue at a time" snark..

Thanks, that one wasn't getting old.. Not to mention that I usually stay out of the Snowden cyclone, while you are knee deep in every thread on him. Are you not concerned with those other issues?

And you are one of the biggest purveyors of the "imagined" slight. Or was that Britney Gif a serious response to my request to know what your goal is?

[randome]

56. My 'goal' on DU is to exercise my intelligence.

That's what debate is -an opportunity to refine one's own opinions via reflection from someone else's opinion.

It doesn't need to be anything deeper than that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[grasswire]

101. I'm calling B.S. on that. nt

[rhett o rick]

13. They are obsessed with punishing Snowden. He did the most egregious thing possible.

No not killing innocent children with drones, even worse. He embarrassed a Republican. He embarrassed Gen Clapper and Clapper has the blessing of the President. What they dont realize is that no amount of hatred or punishment can undue the embarrassment. Our government was caught violating the Constitution and those living in authoritarian denial cant stand it. They care more about their adulation than their freedoms and liberties.

[ProSense]

19. LOL!

"They are obsessed with punishing Snowden. He did the most egregious thing possible."

Some people are "obsessed" with protecting Snowden from being exposed as a liar or laughed at.

I mean, anyone who criticizes Snowden can expect to be attacked and called names by those same people.

Oh well.

[rhett o rick]

170. You seem to think that if Snowden is punished harsh enough, you will be whole again.

But you have no interest in making sure that the NSA isnt violating the Constitution. I am saying your perspective is warped.
I find your obsession with the punishment of Snowden very strange. Do you wish him the same fate as Pvt Manning?

No matter how much you punish Snowden it will not erase the transgressions of our intelligence agencies.

I am guessing you believe in faith. And you have faith that the CIA and NSA are on the good side.

[ProSense]

172. He should live a long and happy life in Russia

"You seem to think that if Snowden is punished harsh enough, you will be whole again."

Is that what you mean by "punished harsh enough"?

I mean, can't a person call out or laugh at Snowden without triggering other people's overactive imagination?

[rhett o rick]

175. LOL, oh plez save me from your faux innocence. You are obsessed with the punishment of Snowden.

What you havent grasp is that punishing Snowden wont fix anything. Maybe you will get some instant gratification like you probably did when Pvt Manning was tortured, but the NSA's violations of the Constitution still need to be investigated.

Whistle-blowers usually are fighting for the 99%. Why do you hate them so?

[ProSense]

176. Bqhatevwr! It's not my fault that 'genius" is stuck in Russia.

[rhett o rick]

179. Gen Clapper should be held accountable for lying to Congress and violating the Constitution. nm

[ProSense]

180. Stand

with Rand.

Rand Paul Suggests Snowden And Clapper Share A Prison Cell

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday suggested that former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper should share a prison cell in the U.S.

"Maybe if they served in a prison cell together, we'd become further enlightened as a country over what we should and shouldn't do," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Paul said that he does not believe Snowden deserves harsh punishment for his leaks, but believes that both Snowden and Clapper broke the law.

"So James Clapper did break a law and there is a prison sentence for that. So did Edward Snowden," he said. "I don't think Edward Snowden deserves the death penalty or life in prison. I think that's inappropriate. And I think that's why he fled, because that's what he faced."

- more -

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-snowden-clapper-prison

[SomethingFishy]

20. But they aren't talking about their freedom and liberties...

It's just a series of posts about what a jerk Snowden is. I know a lot of jerks, and frankly Snowden is a bit pompous and full of himself, however I don't really care about him. When I open a book and don't like what I read I don't blame the distributor.

I was just trying to get Pro to tell me what her goals are. Elections are coming, and infighting and name calling are not going to help us win.

However, judging from Pro's first response I think you are right, there is no goal. There is no "there" there. Just more playground bullshit.

[ProSense]

26. "frankly Snowden is a bit pompous and full of himself"

"It's just a series of posts about what a jerk Snowden is. I know a lot of jerks, and frankly Snowden is a bit pompous and full of himself, however I don't really care about him. When I open a book and don't like what I read I don't blame the distributor."

Snowden changed his story. It was reported in the news. His past statements prove he's lying. Why exactly do you think that he shouldn't be called out?

[SomethingFishy]

114. Seriously?

I do think he should be called out if you think he's lying.

Why do you think once a day isn't enough? Why have you been posting the same shit for months and months? I only get to DU one week out of the month, and one thing I can always be sure of, it won't take but a day or so before I see numerous posts, by you, about Snowden.

Let me ask you something. Did you see the Faux News Meme about "Mom Pants"? When I saw that I thought, "well Frank Luntz wanted the "mom pants" meme to be burned into peoples brains so he made damn sure that it was said over and over, by every host, on every show, for as long as possible".
That's what I see in your posts, it's not enough to make your point, and it's not enough to think you are right, you have to repeat it over and over and over.. to what end I don't really know as everyone on DU already knows how you feel about Snowden.

Hence my question about what your goal is.

I'm sorry. I don't want to see Obama's last 2 years obstructed by a Republican house. Hence I will do my best to find middle ground with all Democrats so we can work together to take over all 3 branches of government and get some serious shit done in the next two years.
You don't want to join me in my goal? More power to you. Have a nice day.

[ProSense]

205. "I do think he should be called out if you think he's lying. "

Thanks, which is why I started this thread.

[grasswire]

104. Did you read the recent study on internet trolls?

The goal is to disrupt. Period.

[rhett o rick]

171. I think they are desperately trying to distract themselves, to fool themselves, because they dont

want the truth. They cant handle the truth. They believe in Faith, faith in the NSA and CIA.

[840high]

66. ...^ that

[L0oniX]

83. Dadgummit ...We can't be having an open government that tells the truth. WTF

[bvar22]

85. Reminds me of this:

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[rhett o rick]

173. If you are insinuating that the Group has the mind-set of Ms. Spears

I am surprised you havent been alerted on.

You must have some empathy when you look into their eyes and see the blankness like ms. Spears. Blind loyalty is necessary for some. It's just hard to believe it happens with Democrats.

[treestar]

29. Treating everyone as guilty of something

Typical Eddie-type exaggeration.

The "national conversation" on this issue has become inane.

[SomethingFishy]

91. Oh so collecting data on me to keep for future use just in case I decide to do something bad

isn't treating me like I'm guilty of something?

Well, I guess you and I obviously have different ideas of what privacy and freedom are.

[bvar22]

105. The "national conversation" on this issue has become inane???!!!

WHAT?

CNN: It's time to break up the NSA

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/opinion/schneier-nsa-too-big/

CNN correctly credited Snowden in this article as being responsible for this National Conversation.
This may be the most important National Conversation we are having today
since it addresses the very fundamentals of our Democracy...
the gross violation of the Constitutional Limitations placed on our Government,
and the complete lack of accountability.

General Clapper was called to testify to The Senate,
and he LIED openly under oath,
then later admitted he had LIED under Oath,
and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has been done!!!

If YOU think this conversation is "inane",
all I can say is "WOW".

...but that does help me understand how we got in this trouble if there are more people who think like you do.

[L0oniX]

73. Don't you know that there are Acts that protect whistle blowers?

I mean shucks ...they can go on working the same job and have the same respect and still be a valued employee. What's there to worry about? It's the US government. They are your friends. They are like your own family. You can trust them to look out for you and keep those nasty haters from seeking revenge for spilling the beans on them. I have been reassured that had Snowden used the proper channels we would all know what we know now anyway and he would not have had to leave the country. He should have known that we would never torture him after all he is a US citizen so he would have been protected from drones and shit. Mmmmkay?

[DCBob]

12. That does make one suspicious of any of his unsubstantiated claims.

He desperately trying to make his illegal activities sound legit.

[ProSense]

33. You're supposed to ignore this and

focus on the "hero" part.

[grasswire]

160. could you point out unsubstantiated claims of Snowden?

A list would be nice.

[DCBob]

195. here are a few off the top of my head..

-- claims he reported his "concerns" repeatedly before going rogue (doubt it, why didnt he say this before?)
-- claims he could listen in to any phone call anytime. (no hard evidence of this)
-- claims his login gave him full access to all the secure documents he stole (doubt it.. being a low level analyst)
-- claims Obama admin is more concerned about spying on citizens rather than stopping terrorists. (idiotic)
-- apparently his resume is full of exaggerations and outright lies.

He's a loser looking for attention.

[ProSense]

216. Nice. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

16. He wants the hell out of Russia

Can you blame him?

Poor bastard didn't know what he was getting himself into...

[rhett o rick]

17. CNN: "It's time to break up the NSA"

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024640730

It's time to prosecute Gen Clapper for lying to Congress and for violating the Constitution.

[ProSense]

21. Wait,

"CNN: "It's time to break up the NSA""

...does that change the point of the OP?

ACLU Comment on President’s NSA Speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347726

[Logical]

103. LOL, Without Snowden there would have been no speech! Are you clueless? n-t

[ProSense]

196. "Without Snowden," life as we know it would end. Is Snowden your hero? n/t

[Logical]

197. Are you so clueless that you think Obama did that speech out of....

The goodness of his heart? He did it because Snowden exposed shit that was wrong!
You have no credibility left on this topic, but still double down daily.

[ProSense]

199. Are you? Snowden is a liar, and

"Are you so clueless that you think Obama did that speech out of...The goodness of his heart? He did it because Snowden exposed shit that was wrong! "

...this is simply another way of saying Snowden is your hero.

"You have no credibility left on this topic, but still double down daily."

LOL! Where's your "credibility"? Simply saying praising Snowden is not "credibility."

Snowden is desperately trying to find a way out of Russia, and apparently his only option is a plea bargain. "Are you so clueless" to that fact?

Unlike actual whistleblowers, Snowden fucked up. They didn't flea the country and never had to make comments denying that they turned over information to foreign governments:

Snowden Says The Government Still Has No Idea What He Gave To Reporters

Edward Snowden snuck a little jab at the government into his appearance at SXSW Interactive on Monday.

Asked if it was just a matter of time before the government could decrypt even the best encryption, the former National Security Agency contractor held up his own case as evidence that encryption works to protect data from surveillance.

"The United States government has assembled a massive investigative team" to look into him and his leak of top secret NSA documents, Snowden said. "And they still have no idea what documents were provided to the journalists, what they have, what they don't have. Because encryption works."

Snowden also suggested that encryption has kept the documents he leaked out of the hands of foreign governments, like Russia and China.

<...>

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/snowden-sxsw-documents-encryption

Direct quote:

Ed: Let’s put it this way - the United States government has assembled a massive investigation team into me personally, into my work with journalists and they still have no idea you know what - what documents were provided to the journalists, what they have, what they don’t have. Because of encryption works. Now the only way to get around that, is to have a computer that is so massive and so powerful you can work the entire universe into the energy power into this decryption machine and they still might not be able to do it. Or you break into the computer and try to steal their keys and bypass the encryption. That happens today and that happens every day. That is the way around it.

<...>

Ed: If I could follow up on that I would say the US government’s investigation supports that. We have both public and private acknowledgements that they know at this point the Russian government, the Chinese government any other government has possession of any of this information. And that would be easy for them to find out. Remember these are the guys that are spying on everyone in the world. They have got human intelligence assets embedded in these governments. They have got electronic signal assets in these governments. If suddenly the Chinese government knew everything the NSA is doing we would notice the changes. We would notice the changes, we would see official communicating and our assets will tell us hey somewhere they have a warehouse they put you know, a thousand of their most skilled researchers in there. That has never happened and it is never going to happen.
http://blog.inside.com/blog/2014/3/10/edward-snowden-sxsw-full-transcription-and-video

Snowden: The U.S. Government has no idea what I gave to journalists in Russia and China, but encryption has kept the leaked documents out of the hands of foreign governments, like Russia and China, whose media are state-owned.

Genius!

Unlike actual whistleblowers, Snowden put himself in the position of having to plea bargain based on his actions that were outside the scope of simply leaking information about domestic surveillance.

From the beginning, it was clear that Snowden broke the law (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023439290). There was a point where even Snowden supporters accepted that he knew he broke the law. Snowden said it himself.

Fleeing the country and releasing state secrets did not help his case.

His actions since then have only made the situation worse.

Whistleblowers have been making that point, some in subtle ways.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023236549

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023035550

Of course, this is dimissed because they're also critical of the NSA. It's as if some think that you can't be against NSA overreach (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023002358) unless you support Snowden. People can acknowledge that the NSA needs reform, and can see where Snowden went off the rails (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024202440)

“What Mr. Snowden did is treason, was high crimes, and there is nothing in what we say that justifies what he did,” said Richard Clarke, a former White House counter-terrorism advisor and current ABC News contributor. “Whether or not this panel would have been created anyway, I don’t know, but I don’t think anything that I’ve learned justifies the treasonous acts of Mr. Snowden.”

What's that line thrown out whenever Greenwald is criticized: Were you against Clarke when he went after Bush? Were you for Scooter Libby when he leaked Plame's identity?

Snowden is desperate.

Snowden Inc. ("The strategy: Attention = bargaining power&quot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640825#post188

[Logical]

200. You are so scared to even say he started a conversation that needed started! nt

[ProSense]

201. LOL! Snowden thinks the Government is trying to kill him.

I'm not the one stuck in Russia.

As for being "scared," seems like projection on your part.

I mean, the thought that Snowden isn't going to get away scot-free must be terrifying to you.

[Logical]

203. You are such a joke at this point that if.....

Obama said tomorrow that Snowden started a talk that needed started you would still post 50 links to 3 month old posts that no one would read.
Many of us think you are just fucking with us, LOL!

[ProSense]

204. Um

"You are such a joke at this point that if....."

....coming from you that's hilarious

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023949817#post149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022831006#post48

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022831006#post57

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022831006#post85

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022831006#post114

[Logical]

212. LOL, like this one......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2833842

[ProSense]

213. .

[rhett o rick]

207. It's time to hold Clapper accountable and break up the NSA. nm

[bvar22]

28. It doesn't look like Snowden is the one who is "desperate".

The amount of energy and embarrassment expended by those attempting to marginalize his impact on the Surveillance/Security Industry are the ones who look desperate to me.

I listened to part of Snowden's broadcast today.
He sounds just fine,
and says he has lots more info about the abuses of the Surveillance/Security Industry .
He's been right so far.

*Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.

*Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.

[ProSense]

31. Well, Ron Paul started a petition for him.

LOL!

[rhett o rick]

47. And your point is? nm

[ProSense]

49. He's stuck in Russia.

You didn't know?

[rhett o rick]

62. Efforts to paint Snowden and those that defend him in a bad light because Ron Paul

supports him is a fail. I am sure you are aware that liberals and libertarians agree on issues of personal freedoms and especially the 4th Ammend. It's the authoritarian conservatives that hate Snowden and others that dare speak truth to authoritarian leadership.

[ProSense]

63. Ron Paul

"Efforts to paint Snowden and those that defend him in a bad light because Ron Paul supports him is a fail."

...didn't make Snowden change is story. Ron Paul has his own issues, but forcing Snowden to lie isn't one of them.

[bvar22]

54. Even that comment reeks of desperation.

Can't argue with the point,
so attempt to discredit with a Logical Fallacy!

FAIL.

[ProSense]

57. LOL!

Did you sign Paul's petition?

[BlueCaliDem]

72. ...

Priceless, ProSense!

[bvar22]

77. Here is a photo of a dog wearing boots.

The above is as relevant as any comment you have made to me so far.

Here is a repost of my post above:
After reading your non-post I thought,
"She must have missed this,
so I'll post it again."

The amount of energy and embarrassment expended by those attempting to marginalize his impact on the Surveillance/Security Industry are the ones who look desperate to me.

I listened to part of Snowden's broadcast today.
He sounds just fine,
and says he has lots more info about the abuses of the Surveillance/Security Industry .
He's been right so far.

*Rampant Government Secrecy and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Persecution of Whistle Blowers and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Government surveillance of the citizenry and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Laws and Democracy can not co-exist.

*Secret Courts and Democracy can not-co-exist.

*Our Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.

And to top is all off,
here is another Fish:



A Trifecta,
just for you!

[ProSense]

82. Here

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1283564/52857657#c1

[bvar22]

96. Aww, thanks.

Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery,
and we all know how difficult it is for you to have any original thoughts
what with all the Blue Links and Cut & Pasting and stuff,

but...[font size=1 color=gray]
Psst. When someone had already done something
it looks desperate and needy and to just copy them[/font]

I whispered to save you from more embarrassment.

No Charge.

[Puglover]

215. That made me laugh.

Nicely done.

[840high]

69. So what?

[ProSense]

70. Bqhatevwr!

[rhett o rick]

162. It's called damning by insinuation. A technique that Faux News has perfected. When you dont have

evidence you just insinuate. Also, as I mentioned above, attempts to paint others in a negative light because they may agree with a libertarian is a fail. Everyone knows that liberals and libertarians agree on issues of personal freedoms. What she doesnt mention is that the conservatives all hate Snowden. All authoritarians hate Snowden. He disturbed their comfortable denial bubbles. "They cant handle the truth."

[baldguy]

115. I'm sure the Snowden fans are falling all over themselves to sign it again & again.

And I'm also sure Ron Paul is happy getting all their contact info & political donations.

[840high]

67. Thank you.

[L0oniX]

84. ^^^this^^^

You either believe in Democracy,
or you don't.
It IS that simple.

[baldguy]

118. News flash: Ron Paul doesn't.

[warrprayer]

42. U Mad?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. You haven't offered anything in the way of proof. Do we trust his word or yours?

I don't believe Mr. Snowden has ever been caught in a lie, your protestations notwithstanding.

[ProSense]

53. Hey, feel free to disagree with the content of the OP.

Ignoring facts works for some.

[Vattel]

52. Based on your link, it sounds like Obama didn't know what he was talking about.

"In an August news conference, President Obama said there were "other avenues" available to someone like Snowden "whose conscience was stirred and thought that they needed to question government actions." Obama pointed to Presidential Policy Directive 19 -- which set up a system for questioning classified government actions under the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. However, as a contractor rather than an government employee or officer, Snowden was outside the protection of this system."

[ProSense]

55. What?

What on earth does that statement have to do with the OP?

[blackspade]

64. The WaPost is grasping on this one.

The M$M has to attack the messenger to obfuscate the message.
Typical.

[L0oniX]

65. Thank God for Snowden ...he's a real hero.

Why does he hate Obama?

[OnyxCollie]

68. See ProSense fail.

I noticed one of your anti-Snowden tantrums got hidden earlier today.

It's funny to watch you lose your shit. Do it again

[ProSense]

71. .

Snowden is a poopy head
https://www.google.com/#q=Snowden+is+a+poopy+head

[OnyxCollie]

79. !>.

!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4524604

[ProSense]

86. Bqhatevwr!

Stick and stones don't change the fact that Snowden is a liar and

... a poopy head
https://www.google.com/#q=Snowden+is+a+poopy+head

[OnyxCollie]

95. Childish rants confirm that you are a hack apologist.

Thanks for proving my point.

[ProSense]

106. This "hack apologist" thinks Snowden is a liar.

The fact that his fans are upset and swarming this thread with personal attacks on anyone who criticizes Snowden is hilarious.

[ProSense]

120. Only the cool people are allowed to call other "hack apologists."

Let's see.

[Cha]

154. I see a snowden fan is gloating because posts were hidden about their

precious putin puppet.


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[L0oniX]

87. LMFAO

[Android3.14]

74. And that's why it is okay to spy on innocent people

The buckets are over there. The water is in the well. Could you fill these and carry them up the hill?

[Ed Suspicious]

75. News flash. We don't really care all that terribly much about Snowden. We care an awful lot about

what he exposed.

[Logical]

81. Perfect answer! He exposed what needed to be exposed! n-t

[stonecutter357]

76. K&R

[Logical]

78. 112,000 posts, 111,000 about how she hates Snowden! :-)

[ProSense]

88. PM me.

On second thought...

[Cha]

155. Wow, posting FACTS on Snowden sure brings out the

bullies.

Please Keep it, ProSense~


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[L0oniX]

89. 111,001 including this one.

Oh I just got a "My Posts" trigger from someone who is on ignore. I wonder who that is.

[ProSense]

90. Actually,

you missed one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024639655

[SoapBox]

80. Comrade Eddie had no fucking idea how he was going to fuck himself.

NSA...like it or hate it...whatever.

But this stupid fuck, that weaseled his way into information, fled the country, screwed over his girlfriend, family, friends (if any) and co-workers...now expects to be welcomed back as some kind of hero?

Ha! I hope he never, EVER gets back...because we don't need anymore dumbasses.

Enjoy Putin's lap!

[Marr]

93. "I don't give a shit about Snowden"-- Prosense

This list of your Snowden OPs is a bit short, I know-- but it only covers about a month and half's worth of time last summer. I'm sure you must have made hundreds more posts about this subject you don't care about since, but I can't be bothered to compile an updated list.

OP Beyond his Moscow airport limbo, indignities await Edward Snowden ProSense Yesterday General Discussion
OP Greenwald To Appear At Town Hall For N.J. Senate Candidate Rush Holt ProSense Yesterday General Discussion
OP When It Comes To Extraditions, Russia Often Cooperates ProSense Saturday General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald To Testify Before Congress ProSense Friday General Discussion
OP ERIC HOLDER TO RUSSIA: We Will Not Torture Or Seek The Death Penalty For Edward Snowden ProSense Friday General Discussion
OP Senate pushes sanctions on nations aiding Snowden ProSense Thursday General Discussion
OP Bolivia forgives European countries for air space incident ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Updated: Fugitive Snowden to stay for now at Moscow airport: Russian lawyer ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Attitudes Shift Against Snowden; Fewer than Half Say NSA is Unjustified ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Senator Slams Domestic Spying: ‘Secret Law Has No Place In America’ ProSense Tuesday General Discussion
OP Snowden plans to settle and work in Russia – lawyer to RT ProSense Tuesday General Discussion
OP Leaker Snowden hopes to be able to leave airport by Wednesday: lawyer ProSense Jul 22 General Discussion
OP Pew poll: Many Venezuelans want better relations with the U.S. ProSense Jul 20 General Discussion
OP Biden calls Brazil's Rousseff over NSA spying tensions ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP U.S. court renews surveillance program exposed by Snowden ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Two U.S. senators suggest moving G20 from Russia over Snowden ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Kerry talked to Venezuela about Snowden: US ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Oath Keepers Heart Edward Snowden! ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Russia says knows of no plan for Snowden to seek citizenship ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Snowden has no crediblity, and deserves no thanks. ProSense Jul 18 General Discussion
OP Guardian Journalist to Write Book on Surveillance ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP What did Jimmy Carter mean by this ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP Sen. Tester Calls On Snowden To Return To America To ‘Face The Music’ ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP "PHOTO: Application for temporary asylum in Russia written by #NSA leaker Edward #Snowden" (WTF?) ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Fugitive Edward Snowden applies for asylum in Russia ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line' (updated) ProSense Jul 15 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden Docs Contain NSA 'Blueprint' ProSense Jul 14 General Discussion
OP N.S.A. Leaks Stir Plans in Russia to Control Net ProSense Jul 14 General Discussion
OP Greenwald tries to do damage control ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Russia 'has not received' Snowden asylum bid ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Carney responds to question about Snowden meeting with human rights groups. ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Obama Spoke With Putin On Snowden, ‘Cooperation On Counter-Terrorism’ ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden asylum 'unlikely' to stop me from publishing leaks ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP If Snowden's case as a whistleblower is so strong, why is he afraid to face the consequences? ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP How the Snowden Affair Became a Freak Show ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden caught in asylum catch-22 ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Updated: US ambassador to Russia disputes claim sent message to Snowden ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Russia says Snowden could stay if he stops harming US ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP "Big news is that #Snowden is applying for political asylum in Russia" (updated) ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Purported E-Mail From Snowden Asks for Meeting With Rights Groups ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP The ACLU's own text contradicts its case for Snowden's asylum bid. ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Brazil May Seek to Speak With Snowden as Spy Allegations Spread ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Which Other Countries Are ‘In Bed’ With The NSA? ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Brazil lawmaker: US spying won't hurt relations ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Fugitive Snowden likely Venezuela bound, says U.S. journalist (Greenwald) ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks: Snowden Has Not Formally Accepted Asylum Anywhere Yet ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP North Korea uses Snowden in propaganda video ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP Snowden Mentioned ‘Direct Access’ In Interview With The Guardian ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Irony ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Here's what the Snowden videos did ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden "Satisfied" by Global Outrage over U.S. Surveillance Operations ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Snowden affair clouds U.S. attempts to press China to curb cyber theft ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Snowden Anticipated Being Accused Of Violating Espionage Act ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: Kinda Curious What That Means (Ellsberg's claim) ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Der Spiegel: Do private companies help the NSA? Snowden: Yes. But it's hard to prove that. ProSense Jul 7 General Discussion
OP Snowden: Other nations use NSA surveillance info ProSense Jul 7 General Discussion
OP Snowden isn't a whistleblower because...the law. ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden Confirmed WikiLeaks Statement Was Written By Him ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP A big "FU" to the United States by other countries? ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP More on Venezuela's offer (Is everyone sure this isn't rhetoric?) ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Will Venezuela follow through on Snowden offer? ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP White House: no comment on Venezuela's asylum offer to Snowden ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Icelandic Lawmaker Claims Snowden Expressed ‘Gratitude’ For Citizenship Vote ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks: Snowden Has Requested Asylum From Six More Countries ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Who started the rumor about Snowden being on President Morales' plane? ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP South American leftist leaders rally to Bolivia's side in Snowden saga ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s asylum request rejected (Norway) ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP What Kind Of Coward Is Edward Snowden? ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Obama, Merkel agree to talks on U.S. spying ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Russia shows growing impatience over Snowden's airport stay ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Updated: France, Italy reject Snowden asylum request ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP The hyperbole is getting thick. ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why Won’t Anyone Take Edward Snowden? ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks Spokesman: U.S. ‘Obviously’ Responsible For ‘Outrageous’ Incident With Bolivian President’ ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Audio purportedly from inside the cockpit of Bolivian President Evo Morales’s flight ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks Spokesman Insists Snowden Statement Is Genuine ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP The Guardian: Snowden Is A Whistleblower, Not A Spy ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why are countries still cooperating with the United States on Snowden? ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why didn't Bolivia's President give Snowden a lift? ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Bolivia: Presidential plane forced to land after false rumors of Snowden onboard ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isn’t One Of Them ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Updated: India, Brazil reject Snowden’s asylum request; Snowden withdraws request to Russia ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Rafael Correa: we helped Snowden by mistake ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: "Snowden’s pretty screwed." ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Report: Edward Snowden Breaks Silence (updated) ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Who should Edward Snowden be compared to? ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP Assange stands by Edward Snowden as Ecuador's Correa reprimands consul ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP Ecuadoran President Correa Gives VP Biden An Earful ProSense Jun 29 General Discussion
OP Am I missing something about the latest revelations regarding the EU? ProSense Jun 29 General Discussion
OP Analysis: Snowden's options appear to narrow in bid to evade U.S. arrest ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Jimmy Carter on Snowden: "He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible." ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Ecuador has no plans to halt commerce ties over Snowden: Correa ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Exclusive: Documents Illuminate Ecuador’s Spying Practices ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Ecuador Says Snowden Asylum Document Unauthorized ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Ecuador denies giving Snowden a travel document: report ProSense Jun 26 General Discussion
OP Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon says his legal team won’t represent NSA leaker Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 26 General Discussion
OP Russia spies may be chatting with "tasty morsel" Snowden ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Putin Says Dealing With Snowden Issue ‘Like Shearing A Pig’ ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden never crossed border into Russia, says foreign minister ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Op-Ed In Chinese Communist Party Newspaper Blasts Washington Over Snowden, Hacking ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Hayes Challenges Greenwald: Snowden Undermines Defenders If He Goes To Nations That Hate Free Press ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: I Didn’t Even Know Snowden’s Name Until He Was In Hong Kong ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden plans more leaks...will let foreign press decide if leaks endanger Americans ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s Attorney: ‘He Never Anticipated This Would Be Such A Big Matter’ ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP The problem with defending Snowden. ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden is one issue and NSA oversight is another. ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Julian Assange Won’t Say When Wikileaks Began Working With Ed Snowden ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Report: Kremlin Says Russia Didn’t Know Snowden Was Coming To Moscow ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Why Ecuador? ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Which word best describes Snowden ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP China Said to Have Made Call to Let Leaker Depart ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Maybe Hong Kong is simply relieved to be rid of Snowden ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Schumer: ‘Putin Always Seems Eager To Put A Finger In the Eye Of The U.S.’ ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Sen. Paul To Snowden: Don’t ‘Cozy Up’ To Russian Government ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Greenwald Thinks Snowden’s Final Destination Is Still ‘Up In The Air’ ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP NYT: Snowden "staying in an apartment... controlled by the Hong Kong government’s security branch" ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP The ACLU message isn't going to help Snowden. ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Snowden spy row grows as US is accused of hacking China ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Snowden is going to be prosecuted. ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden Charges Show Obama’s ‘Vindictive Mentality’... ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Is it OK to criticize Edward Snowden? ProSense Jun 21 General Discussion
OP NYT: Documents Detail N.S.A. Surveillance Rules ProSense Jun 20 General Discussion
OP Analysis: Why Edward Snowden isn't a whistle-blower, legally speaking ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP What if Snowden didn't have authorized access? ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Greenwald is accusing President Obama of making "false" claims, but hasn't backed up his claims ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Where is the additional information Snowden says he's going to release? ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Iceland received informal approach over Snowden seeking asylum ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Excerpt: Obama talks NSA in Charlie Rose interview. ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Pew poll: Public Split over Impact of NSA Leak, But Most Want Snowden Prosecuted ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP NSA veteran: "So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor." ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald Justifies Snowden’s Fear He Will Be Killed: U.S. ‘Targeted’ Americans In The Past ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP NYT editor's blog: Snowden’s Questionable New Turn ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Says More Info About "Direct Access" Is In the Works ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden: Obama Should Call For Special Committee To Review NSA Programs ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden: I Didn’t Reveal Any Operations Against ‘Legitimate’ Military Targets ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden basically admits the "direct access" claim was bullshit. ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP "the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history is answering your questions " ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Fleeing the country to avoid prosecution makes Snowden a coward. ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden To Participate In Online Q&A Today ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden 'not a Chinese spy' - Beijing ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP DNI denies NSA analysts can tap calls without a warrant ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Schieffer Destroys Snowden: ‘I Don’t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China’ ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Hong Kong rallies in the rain for Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 15 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s Leaks on China Could Affect Its Role in His Fate ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP While working for spies, Snowden was secretly prolific online ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Kevin Drum: ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Edward Snowden's worst fear has not been realised – thankfully (cites polls) ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Snowden Is Using 'Specific' Evidence of the U.S. Hacking China to Stay Out of Jail ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Snowden Is Not Welcome In The U.K. ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Leaker's Ties to China Probed ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Guardian "walked back the 'direct access' claim made in Greenwald’s original article" ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Report: Snowden Stored Documents On Thumb Drive ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Poll: Majority Says Snowden Did A Good Thing, But He Should Be Prosecuted ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Finding the right balance between security and liberty ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP NSA Director Says Leaker’s Wiretapping Ability Claims Are ‘False’ ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Report: Feds Hunted For Snowden Before He Went Public ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Guardian issues statement in reply to Rep. Peter King ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald to Pete King: Bring it on ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: Curious ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: “We Did Not Want To Just Go And Arbitrarily Disclose Things’ ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP ...Showed Hong Kong Newspaper Documents Revealing US Hacking Attacks On China (updated 2x) ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Reportedly Gives Interview To Chinese News Outlet ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP NYT editorial: Surveillance: Snowden Doesn’t Rise to Traitor ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP Eugene Robinson: Edward Snowden’s NSA leaks show we need a debate ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP Bush broke the law. President Obama followed it. ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP AP Editor: Do Not Describe Edward Snowden As A 'Whistleblower' ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP A Very Real Issue (private contractors) ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP "Most significant" leak in history, and likely one of the dumbest. ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: I Know Where Snowden Is ‘Generally’ ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Snowden Helped Guardian Reporter With Secure Communication System ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Ron Paul: ‘We Should Be Thankful’ For Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP The "biggest leak in US political history" ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP DOJ: No Comment On Snowden ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP What happens if you don't take the loyalty oath to Edward Snowden? ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP What’s the Deal with Hong Kong? ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall on Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion

If you don't care about this person, why do you post about him so much?

[L0oniX]

99. WOW That is some over the top clinical obsession. Some people should smoke weed...

because it may help them.


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[Marr]

100. It makes me sad to hear that Prosense doesn't care about Snowden, personally.

Life is so much better when you're passionate about your work.

[ProSense]

108. LOL!

Post that list again, maybe it'll work to stop me from calling out Snowden.

[Marr]

112. I really don't care what you post about Snowden.

Post all you like about him, by all means. Go on telling us every day what a mean, spiteful, arrogant little pissant he is. Maybe he is. I don't know, and I honestly could not care less.

Just don't tell me you "don't give a shit about Snowden" when your posts on the topic are probably one of the biggest single categories available on this forum.

[ProSense]

117. So why did you post the list?

"I really don't care what you post about Snowden."


"Just don't tell me you 'don't give a shit about Snowden' when your posts on the topic are probably one of the biggest single categories available on this forum."

Oh, the irony.

[Marr]

122. I suppose it's because I find casual lies somewhat irritating.

It's not your posts about Snowden that annoy me, it's your insistence that you don't care about him.

If you truly don't care about the man, as you say, then your constant posting on the subject leaves me stumped, and even more irritated. What other umm... incentive... could possibly motivate a person to post so obsessively on a topic they don't even care about? I just can't puzzle it out.

[ProSense]

129. Well,

"It's not your posts about Snowden that annoy me, it's your insistence that you don't care about him."

...I don't. I have an opinion about him (he's a liar), and I still don't "care about him." I mean, I have opinions about a lot of people I don't care about. Sarah Palin is an idiot.

[ProSense]

109. Look

Obama's foreign policy doctrine and why it makes sense
Obama Budget to Fully Fund Land and Water Conservation Fund
Bush’s Defense Secretary Destroys GOP Talking Points Against Obama’s Handling Of Crimea
Robert Parry has a very creative imagination: Obama neocon buster
Obama Spoke With Putin On Phone Thursday To Push Diplomatic Solution
Obama: Crimea Referendum Would Violate International Law
Obama and Cameron Phone Call - Twitter Style
President Obama's statement on Senate's failure to confirm Debo Adegbile
Obama: 'It's time to give America a raise'
McCain: Obama's 1983 college essay on US-Soviet tensions proves he's to blame for Putin and Ukraine
Jared Berstein: What’s Not DOA in the Obama Budget
Obama's budget: Help for workers, taxes for the rich
Obama and Kerry Fact-Check Putin and Russia
California Guv Candidate Compares Obama To Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Il, And King George III
Seven things you absolutely need to know about Obama’s budget
Obama Warns Netanyahu Of Difficulties Ahead Without Peace Deal
Obama Science Advisor John Holdren Schools Political Scientist Roger Pielke On Climate And Drought
Democratic Senator: Obama's 'Perceived Weakness' Contributed To Situation In Ukraine
WaPo, WSJ Slam Obama's Response To Putin's Aggression
Graham: Obama 'Weak And Indecisive' Which 'Invites Aggression'...
Readout of President Obama’s Call with President Putin
Obama: 'There Will Be Costs' For Military Intervention In Ukraine
Obama has a good transportation plan. Now we just need to raise the gas tax to pay for it.
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."
Obama reversed Tom Delay's ban on Houston Light Rail
Obama to unveil $300 billion transportation infrastructure plan
Michelle Obama Expands Program That Gives All Students Free Meals
Oops: Dick Cheney Unintentionally Trashes Troops In Attempt To Hit Obama
Five years of Obama, and 2014 has been a busy year thus far
President Obama's statement on retirement of John Dingell
Obama again presses for minimum wage rise in weekly address
Credit where credit is due: Thanks to Republicans for not taking Obama up on his offer
Breaking: Obama To Drop Social Security Cuts In His Budget
Obama Praises Gap, Inc. For Raising Minimum Wage for Employees
Has Ralph Nader commented on Obama's Executive Order raising the minimum wage?
Why not just impeach Obama?
President Obama Announces New Truck Efficiency Standards
Darrell Issa Rallies The GOP To Fight Obama's 'Imperial Presidency'
President Obama needs to stop talking about climate change.
Obama Denounces Anti-Homosexuality Bill In Uganda
Obama: Tenn. GOPers More Worried About 'German Shareholders Than American Workers'
Obama administration issue new banking rules for marijuana businesses
Writing XL Public Comments: Focus on Obama's Test of Carbon Pollution & Climate Change Impacts
Obama Administration Urges Cops To Help Save Lives By Treating Heroin Overdoses
The Spectacular Myth of Obama's Part-Time America—in 5 Graphs
Obama administration starts to implement changes to NSA phone records program
How Wyden is slowing Obama on trade
How Obama could strike a blow to workplace discrimination
"Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day"
Rep. Has Cordial Chat About Whether Obama 'Should Be Executed' (VIDEO)
AIPAC reverses course and supports President Obama's position on Iran sanctions -- Bill Clinton too
President Obama's statement on passage of the Farm Bill
President Obama's and First Lady's statement on the passing of Joan Mondale
NJ Republican Says Obama Guilty Of Worse 'Abuse Of Power' Than Christie
Senate GOPer Accuses Obama Of 'Outrageous Lie' During Super Bowl Interview
Kick and rec this thread if you think Obama is dreamy and is never wrong.
White House will not say if Obama will weigh in on Keystone pipeline
Obama Slams GOP’s Booing Of Gay Soldier: ‘That’s Not Reflective Of Who We Are’
President Obama is in a very good position
The Morning Plum: Obama’s big gamble
Statement by Senator Warren on President Obama's State of the Union Address
Obama: 'Give America a raise!'
If you voted for Obama or a Democratic Senator, what are you?
Should President Obama veto the Farm bill?
4 Republicans Will Now Be Responding To Obama's State Of The Union Address
President Obama's statement on the passing of Pete Seeger
Obama to act on minimum wage
Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
President Obama's statement on Roe v Wade anniversary
Obama To Discuss Inequality With Pope Francis In March
Obama, first U.S. President to propose "increased privacy protections for non-U.S. citizens abroad"
Obama weighing executive action on minimum wage?
Sen. Mary Landrieu joins Canadian foreign minister to press Obama to support Keystone Pipeline
Obama Announces Institute to Create Manufacturing Jobs
Brian Schweitzer Can't Really Think Of Anything Nice To Say About Obama's Record
Stop Obama from taking away your Obamacare?
Obama Signs Two-Year Budget Passed By Congress
Glenn Greenwald: I Defend Snowden Like MSNBC Defends Obama '24 Hours A Day'
An alternative look at Obama’s 5th year
Photo of Obama and Danish Prime Minister
Obama Calls Budget Deal A "Good First Step," Presses For Unemployment Insurance
President Obama's statement on the Volcker Rule
Jimmy Carter: Obama-Castro Handshake 'Was Something Significant'
President Obama's statement on the death of Nelson Mandela
Obama's inequality speech: telling the progressive story of American history
Obama closing Vatican embassy? More proof of Republicans' desperate and distorted parallel reality
Party that likes to use bombs unhappy that Obama is using diplomacy with Iran
President Obama's statement on Senate filibuster reform vote
168 filibusters of nominees in our history. HALF of them have occurred during Obama years!
WaPo poll: Did Obama tell truth or mislead?
Obama proposes health care fix
Boehner Seizes On Clinton Comment Regarding Obama's Insurance Promise
Obama: 'Our work is more urgent than ever, because this chapter of war is coming to an end'
National Womens Law Center: Five Things Women Should Know About President Obama's Promise
Obama administration breaks through years of delay on new worker protections
Obama Admin: Half Of Young Americans Could Buy Insurance For $50 Or Less
No, CBS News, Obama Isn’t Hiding The True Cost Of Obamacare
President Obama on healthcare.gov: "it’s time for folks to stop rooting for its failure"
Obama Administration: Obamacare Will Meet Enrollment Targets Despite Website Glitches
President Obama's remarks on the Affordable Care Act
Transcript: President Obama's remarks on reopening of government
Wow...Obama actually made Reid kill the Susan Collins deal
Signs Indicate That Obama’s Debt Ceiling Gamble May Be Paying Off
Obama, Biden To Meet With Jack Lew Wednesday
Obama: Boehner 'Can't Control His Caucus'
No, House Republicans Can’t Just Skip Town And Stick Obama With A Ransom Note
Obama: 'We Stand A Good Chance Of Defaulting'
Senate GOP Meeting With Obama Ends Without Deal
Readout of President Obama's meeting with House Republicans
Readout of President Obama's meeting with House Democratic caucus
Obama: We Can't Make 'Extortion' A Part Of Our Democracy
White House: Obama Will Never Negotiate On The Debt Limit Again
The Morning Plum: John Boehner doesn’t really want to `negotiate’ with Obama
President Obama slams Republicans: "I won't pay a ransom in exchange for reopening the government"
President Obama's speech detailed Republican belligerence in causing the Government shutdown
White House press secretary's statement on cancellation of President Obama's trip to Asia
Report: Obama Won't Make Policy Concessions In Debt Limit Talks
Obama Tears Into Republicans Over Shutdown: If Americans Just Stopped Working, They’d Be Fired
President Obama NAILS IT in one sentence
Readout of President Obama's meeting with congressional leadership
How The National Park Service Became Obama's Shutdown 'Shock Troops'
Obama Invites Hill Leaders To Talk Debt Limit
With Traditional GOP Allies Defecting, Big Business Takes Sides With Obama
Video: Obama on GOP critics: They won't call it Obamacare once they realizes it works
Obama: 'I Shouldn't Have To Offer Anything' To GOP
Obama Tweets: 'Time For Congress To Do The Right Thing'
Photo: Historic phone call...President Obama speaks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani
President Obama's statement on phone call with Iran President Rouhani (updated)
Obama admin secures diplomatic breakthroughs
Obama Ridicules GOP Fear Mongering Of Obamacare
Iran hails Obama's UN speech
Remarks by President Obama in Address to the United Nations General Assembly
Obama: 'Some May Disagree, But I Believe America Is Exceptional' (updated)
Obama Directs Kerry To Enter Nuclear Talks With Iran: 'The Diplomatic Path Must Be Tested'
Obama Endorses De Blasio In NYC Mayoral Race
Obama rips GOP hostage-taking
Breaking: Obama administration moving ahead with limits on emissions from power plants
Obama says Syria deal could offer lesson for Iran talks
Obama Hoping For ‘Concrete Result’ In Talks With Russia
No, Putin isn't being smart. Obama is running rings around him
The point of Obama's speech.
Lawmakers seek revised Syria resolution after Obama speech
Metro Detroit's Middle Eastern community reacts to Obama's speech
President Obama: "However, over the last few days, we’ve seen some encouraging signs."
Full transcript of President Obama's speech on Syria
Putin says he, Obama discussed control over Syrian chemical arms
Obama Puts Syria Strike On Pause As Possible Diplomatic Solution Emerges
Obama Plans Media Blitz Monday As Syria Vote Looms
Obama: ‘I Was Elected To End Wars, Not Start ‘Em’
Obama Aide: President Isn’t Likely To Strike Syria Without Congress’ Approval
Obama administration extending benefits to gay veterans' spouses
Are you glad the Obama administration took its case to Congress
Senate Syria resolution would limit Obama to 90 days
Report: Hillary Clinton Backs Obama On Syria Strike
Kerry: ‘Obama Is Not Asking America To Go To War’
Obama Open To Narrowing Language That Would Authorize Syria Strikes
Report: Obama To Meet With LGBT Rights Groups In Russia
Obama's bid to Congress on Syria part of push for global backing: U.N.
White House: No Announcement Of Imminent Strike In Obama Statement
Obama Plans Executive Action To Close Gun Sale Loophole
Obama won't use military strike to oust Assad
Rubio Comes Out Against Obama’s College Plan
Obama Dings U.S. News & World Report’s College Rankings
Obama's second term: A productive six months.
On the NSA, this is what happens when reports conflate the Bush and Obama administrations.
Critics react to Obama's proposed surveillance reforms
The intelligence committees, not the Obama admin, withheld information from members of Congress
NLRB at full strength as Obama appointees are sworn into office
"The Obama administration says any member of Congress could look at these documents." (June)
President Obama, already one of the best Presidents ever.
President Obama pushed back against NSA and Republicans on cybersecurity, citing privacy concerns
Assange: Obama And The U.S. ‘Owe Edward Snowden A Debt Of Gratitude’
President Obama on U.S.-Russia relations and Putin
If Obama's speech today was just a "pretty speech," what did Snowden change?
President Obama: Mr. Snowden has been charged with three felonies.
Wyden Statement on President Obama’s Proposed Reforms to the FISC and PATRIOT ACT
Blumenthal Applauds President Obama’s Support For Special Advocate In FISA Courts
Obama: ‘I Don’t Think Mr. Snowden Was A Patriot’
Obama Announces Plans To Reform Surveillance Programs
Best Obama quote on Congress was regarding Obamacare.
Where is Congress? Everyone is outraged about Obama's "lie"
Senator: Obama Viewed As ‘Exotic’ In The South
Russia 'disappointed' by Obama cancelling Putin meeting: Kremlin
President Obama Condemns Russia's Anti-Gay Laws
Obama Spouts Populism As His Party Tacks Left
BREAKING: Gore's Climate Reality Project Joins Forces with President Obama's Organizing for Action
Kerry: Obama has timeline for ending Pakistan drone strikes 'very, very soon'
Steelworkers praise Obama for executive order upgrading regulations on chemical plant safety
Obama Calls Out Republicans For Wasting Time On Keystone: ‘That’s Not A Jobs Plan’
McConnell and Boehner reject President Obama's proposal
Pelosi, 153 House Democrats tell Obama of "lingering questions and concerns" about NSA programs
Obama Praises Resumption of Israel-Palestine Negotiations, Cautions Hard Road Ahead
Obama Says Income Gap Is Fraying U.S. Social Fabric
Obama Says He’ll Evaluate Pipeline Project Depending on Pollution
"The day the right lost the economic argument...President Obama's speech clinched the case..."
Krugman: Stiglitz, Minsky, and Obama
The new meme: It's Obama's fault, don't blame Republican obstruction.
Issa: ‘ZERO #jobs Have Been Created From Obama’s Speeches’
Boehner: Obama’s Speech ‘An Easter Egg With No Candy In It’...
Obama Promises To Use Any ‘Executive Authority I Have To Help The Middle Class’
Trayvon’s Parents: Obama’s Remarks A ‘Beautiful Tribute’
Four Charts That Prove Obama’s Right About Being Black In America
Obama Praises Perez Confirmation, Thanks Senate For Advancing Presidential Nominees
Obama Spoke With Putin On Snowden, ‘Cooperation On Counter-Terrorism’
Congressman May File Criminal Charges Against Obama For Delaying Health Law
Former Senator Mike Gravel believes Obama should be tried for murder.
Ellsberg has said that Obama should be impeached (updated)
I strongly support President Obama
Should there be more criticism of President Obama and/or Democrats?
Welcome to Obama's Amerika
Obama, Merkel agree to talks on U.S. spying
Republicans Attack Obama For Not Implementing Health Care Reform Quickly Enough
Obama First POTUS in History to Publicly Support Divestment Movement
Transparency, Declassification, and the Obama Presidency (September 2012)
Obama Hails New Federal Benefits For Same-Sex Spouses
Obama: 'I applaud the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act'
Thanks, Obama >> updated, Edith Windsor reacts
Obama Congratulates Massachusetts Senate-Elect Ed Markey
‘Invest, Divest’: Obama Goes Full Climate Hawk In Speech Unveiling Plan To Cut Carbon Pollution
Obama ‘Pleased’ With Confirmation Of Pritzker As Commerce Secretary
Updated: Greenpeace, NRDC and Sierra Club on President Obama's climate plan
Obama: Keystone XL Should Not Be Approved If It Will Increase Greenhouse Gas Emissions (updated)
"Obama is a F*****G FRAUD"?
Report: Federal Defense Contractors Paid Almost Double Obama’s Salary
"Obama is a F*****G FRAUD"?
"Obama is no Democrat"
Liberal activists: Obama as Bush Lite? 'No way in hell'
Greenwald: Snowden Charges Show Obama’s ‘Vindictive Mentality’...
The Morning Plum: Obama takes tentative step towards surveillance transparency
President Obama and EPA To Limit Power Plant CO2 Emissions
Pew poll: Obama Job Approval Holds Steady, Economic Views Improve
President Obama's remarks at the Brandenburg Gate, Berlin, Germany
Rand Paul: Young People Now View Obama As A ‘Hypocrite’
Bush and Cheney were liars, and there is an effort to create the impression Obama is no different
Greenwald is accusing President Obama of making "false" claims, but hasn't backed up his claims
Excerpt: Obama talks NSA in Charlie Rose interview.
Snowden: Obama Should Call For Special Committee To Review NSA Programs
Source: Obama Considering Releasing NSA Court Order
McDonough: Obama Doesn’t Believe He Has Violated The Privacy Of Any American
Bush broke the law. President Obama followed it.
Planned Parenthood Hails Obama Administration Decision to Drop Emergency Contraception Appeal
Report: Obama Admin Held 22 Briefings For Congress On Surveillance Programs
If you truly believe Obama is spying on Americans, why not call for his impeachment?
Lawmakers Tear Into Obama’s Surveillance Program, Pledge To Challenge It At Supreme Court
Thanks to President Obama, strong whistleblower protections are in place
Obama administraton releases details on Senate briefings
There is no Obama policy of spying on everyone and no domestic spying
Obama: PRISM Doesn’t Apply To U.S. Citizens
NYT Editorial Board Slams Obama On Tracking: ‘Administration Has Now Lost All Credibility’
NRCC: NSA Collecting Phone Records Amounts To Another Obama Scandal

[L0oniX]

111. Someone I have on ignore is trying to respond. Sorry about that ...NOT!

[ProSense]

130. LOL!

You can't see this.

[Number23]

185. If he has you on ignore how is he even in this thread??

That makes no sense at all!

[ProSense]

211. Good point.

[ProSense]

102. I'm touched by your focus on me.

LOL!

[bvar22]

121. ROFL.

Yeah.. Pro doesn't care about trying to discrediting Snowden.

What a spectacular Crash & Burn.
Hoisted by her own petard.
Thanks for that compilation.
(Bookmarking for later use)

I said above that those working so desperately hard to discredit Snowden
have had a counter productive result.
Their obsession has only popularized him.

Without Snowden:

President Obama would have never said that we need to have this conversation.

General Clapper would have NOT been called before The Senate and LIED so poorly.

CNN would have NOT said today that "Its Time to Break Up the NSA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640730

Snowden set in motion a line of dominoes that are still falling.
Without the courage shown by this geeky little IT Patriot,
the Status Quo of our Security/Surveillance State would have not been interrupted.
I don't know whether we can rein in the multi-headed monster,
but at least we now KNOW that unless we do so,
we can kiss our Constitution goodbye.

Thanks to Edward Snowden!

[ProSense]

127. I'm very proud of those posts. Here's

another: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024641730#post16

[bvar22]

144. Of course you are, dear.

Busy, busy,busy...like a little Bee you are!

Where DO you find the time,
what with work and all?

OP Beyond his Moscow airport limbo, indignities await Edward Snowden ProSense Yesterday General Discussion
OP Greenwald To Appear At Town Hall For N.J. Senate Candidate Rush Holt ProSense Yesterday General Discussion
OP When It Comes To Extraditions, Russia Often Cooperates ProSense Saturday General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald To Testify Before Congress ProSense Friday General Discussion
OP ERIC HOLDER TO RUSSIA: We Will Not Torture Or Seek The Death Penalty For Edward Snowden ProSense Friday General Discussion
OP Senate pushes sanctions on nations aiding Snowden ProSense Thursday General Discussion
OP Bolivia forgives European countries for air space incident ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Updated: Fugitive Snowden to stay for now at Moscow airport: Russian lawyer ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Attitudes Shift Against Snowden; Fewer than Half Say NSA is Unjustified ProSense Wednesday General Discussion
OP Senator Slams Domestic Spying: ‘Secret Law Has No Place In America’ ProSense Tuesday General Discussion
OP Snowden plans to settle and work in Russia – lawyer to RT ProSense Tuesday General Discussion
OP Leaker Snowden hopes to be able to leave airport by Wednesday: lawyer ProSense Jul 22 General Discussion
OP Pew poll: Many Venezuelans want better relations with the U.S. ProSense Jul 20 General Discussion
OP Biden calls Brazil's Rousseff over NSA spying tensions ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP U.S. court renews surveillance program exposed by Snowden ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Two U.S. senators suggest moving G20 from Russia over Snowden ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Kerry talked to Venezuela about Snowden: US ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Oath Keepers Heart Edward Snowden! ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Russia says knows of no plan for Snowden to seek citizenship ProSense Jul 19 General Discussion
OP Snowden has no crediblity, and deserves no thanks. ProSense Jul 18 General Discussion
OP Guardian Journalist to Write Book on Surveillance ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP What did Jimmy Carter mean by this ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP Sen. Tester Calls On Snowden To Return To America To ‘Face The Music’ ProSense Jul 17 General Discussion
OP "PHOTO: Application for temporary asylum in Russia written by #NSA leaker Edward #Snowden" (WTF?) ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Fugitive Edward Snowden applies for asylum in Russia ProSense Jul 16 General Discussion
OP Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line' (updated) ProSense Jul 15 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden Docs Contain NSA 'Blueprint' ProSense Jul 14 General Discussion
OP N.S.A. Leaks Stir Plans in Russia to Control Net ProSense Jul 14 General Discussion
OP Greenwald tries to do damage control ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Russia 'has not received' Snowden asylum bid ProSense Jul 13 General Discussion
OP Carney responds to question about Snowden meeting with human rights groups. ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Obama Spoke With Putin On Snowden, ‘Cooperation On Counter-Terrorism’ ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden asylum 'unlikely' to stop me from publishing leaks ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP If Snowden's case as a whistleblower is so strong, why is he afraid to face the consequences? ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP How the Snowden Affair Became a Freak Show ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden caught in asylum catch-22 ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Updated: US ambassador to Russia disputes claim sent message to Snowden ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Russia says Snowden could stay if he stops harming US ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP "Big news is that #Snowden is applying for political asylum in Russia" (updated) ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Purported E-Mail From Snowden Asks for Meeting With Rights Groups ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP The ACLU's own text contradicts its case for Snowden's asylum bid. ProSense Jul 12 General Discussion
OP Brazil May Seek to Speak With Snowden as Spy Allegations Spread ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Which Other Countries Are ‘In Bed’ With The NSA? ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Brazil lawmaker: US spying won't hurt relations ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments ProSense Jul 10 General Discussion
OP Fugitive Snowden likely Venezuela bound, says U.S. journalist (Greenwald) ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks: Snowden Has Not Formally Accepted Asylum Anywhere Yet ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP North Korea uses Snowden in propaganda video ProSense Jul 9 General Discussion
OP Snowden Mentioned ‘Direct Access’ In Interview With The Guardian ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Irony ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Here's what the Snowden videos did ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden "Satisfied" by Global Outrage over U.S. Surveillance Operations ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Snowden affair clouds U.S. attempts to press China to curb cyber theft ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Snowden Anticipated Being Accused Of Violating Espionage Act ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: Kinda Curious What That Means (Ellsberg's claim) ProSense Jul 8 General Discussion
OP Der Spiegel: Do private companies help the NSA? Snowden: Yes. But it's hard to prove that. ProSense Jul 7 General Discussion
OP Snowden: Other nations use NSA surveillance info ProSense Jul 7 General Discussion
OP Snowden isn't a whistleblower because...the law. ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: Edward Snowden Confirmed WikiLeaks Statement Was Written By Him ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP A big "FU" to the United States by other countries? ProSense Jul 6 General Discussion
OP More on Venezuela's offer (Is everyone sure this isn't rhetoric?) ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Will Venezuela follow through on Snowden offer? ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP White House: no comment on Venezuela's asylum offer to Snowden ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Icelandic Lawmaker Claims Snowden Expressed ‘Gratitude’ For Citizenship Vote ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks: Snowden Has Requested Asylum From Six More Countries ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP Who started the rumor about Snowden being on President Morales' plane? ProSense Jul 5 General Discussion
OP South American leftist leaders rally to Bolivia's side in Snowden saga ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s asylum request rejected (Norway) ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP What Kind Of Coward Is Edward Snowden? ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Obama, Merkel agree to talks on U.S. spying ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Russia shows growing impatience over Snowden's airport stay ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP Updated: France, Italy reject Snowden asylum request ProSense Jul 4 General Discussion
OP The hyperbole is getting thick. ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why Won’t Anyone Take Edward Snowden? ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks Spokesman: U.S. ‘Obviously’ Responsible For ‘Outrageous’ Incident With Bolivian President’ ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Audio purportedly from inside the cockpit of Bolivian President Evo Morales’s flight ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks Spokesman Insists Snowden Statement Is Genuine ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP The Guardian: Snowden Is A Whistleblower, Not A Spy ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why are countries still cooperating with the United States on Snowden? ProSense Jul 3 General Discussion
OP Why didn't Bolivia's President give Snowden a lift? ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Bolivia: Presidential plane forced to land after false rumors of Snowden onboard ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isn’t One Of Them ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Updated: India, Brazil reject Snowden’s asylum request; Snowden withdraws request to Russia ProSense Jul 2 General Discussion
OP Rafael Correa: we helped Snowden by mistake ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: "Snowden’s pretty screwed." ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Report: Edward Snowden Breaks Silence (updated) ProSense Jul 1 General Discussion
OP Who should Edward Snowden be compared to? ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP Assange stands by Edward Snowden as Ecuador's Correa reprimands consul ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim ProSense Jun 30 General Discussion
OP Ecuadoran President Correa Gives VP Biden An Earful ProSense Jun 29 General Discussion
OP Am I missing something about the latest revelations regarding the EU? ProSense Jun 29 General Discussion
OP Analysis: Snowden's options appear to narrow in bid to evade U.S. arrest ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Jimmy Carter on Snowden: "He's obviously violated the laws of America, for which he's responsible." ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows ProSense Jun 28 General Discussion
OP Ecuador has no plans to halt commerce ties over Snowden: Correa ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Exclusive: Documents Illuminate Ecuador’s Spying Practices ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Ecuador Says Snowden Asylum Document Unauthorized ProSense Jun 27 General Discussion
OP Ecuador denies giving Snowden a travel document: report ProSense Jun 26 General Discussion
OP Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon says his legal team won’t represent NSA leaker Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 26 General Discussion
OP Russia spies may be chatting with "tasty morsel" Snowden ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Putin Says Dealing With Snowden Issue ‘Like Shearing A Pig’ ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden never crossed border into Russia, says foreign minister ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Op-Ed In Chinese Communist Party Newspaper Blasts Washington Over Snowden, Hacking ProSense Jun 25 General Discussion
OP Hayes Challenges Greenwald: Snowden Undermines Defenders If He Goes To Nations That Hate Free Press ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: I Didn’t Even Know Snowden’s Name Until He Was In Hong Kong ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden plans more leaks...will let foreign press decide if leaks endanger Americans ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s Attorney: ‘He Never Anticipated This Would Be Such A Big Matter’ ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP The problem with defending Snowden. ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Snowden is one issue and NSA oversight is another. ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Julian Assange Won’t Say When Wikileaks Began Working With Ed Snowden ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Report: Kremlin Says Russia Didn’t Know Snowden Was Coming To Moscow ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Why Ecuador? ProSense Jun 24 General Discussion
OP Which word best describes Snowden ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP China Said to Have Made Call to Let Leaker Depart ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Maybe Hong Kong is simply relieved to be rid of Snowden ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Schumer: ‘Putin Always Seems Eager To Put A Finger In the Eye Of The U.S.’ ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Sen. Paul To Snowden: Don’t ‘Cozy Up’ To Russian Government ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP Greenwald Thinks Snowden’s Final Destination Is Still ‘Up In The Air’ ProSense Jun 23 General Discussion
OP NYT: Snowden "staying in an apartment... controlled by the Hong Kong government’s security branch" ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP The ACLU message isn't going to help Snowden. ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Snowden spy row grows as US is accused of hacking China ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Snowden is going to be prosecuted. ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Snowden Charges Show Obama’s ‘Vindictive Mentality’... ProSense Jun 22 General Discussion
OP Is it OK to criticize Edward Snowden? ProSense Jun 21 General Discussion
OP NYT: Documents Detail N.S.A. Surveillance Rules ProSense Jun 20 General Discussion
OP Analysis: Why Edward Snowden isn't a whistle-blower, legally speaking ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP What if Snowden didn't have authorized access? ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Greenwald is accusing President Obama of making "false" claims, but hasn't backed up his claims ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Where is the additional information Snowden says he's going to release? ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Iceland received informal approach over Snowden seeking asylum ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Excerpt: Obama talks NSA in Charlie Rose interview. ProSense Jun 18 General Discussion
OP Pew poll: Public Split over Impact of NSA Leak, But Most Want Snowden Prosecuted ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP NSA veteran: "So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor." ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald Justifies Snowden’s Fear He Will Be Killed: U.S. ‘Targeted’ Americans In The Past ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP NYT editor's blog: Snowden’s Questionable New Turn ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Says More Info About "Direct Access" Is In the Works ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden: Obama Should Call For Special Committee To Review NSA Programs ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden: I Didn’t Reveal Any Operations Against ‘Legitimate’ Military Targets ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Snowden basically admits the "direct access" claim was bullshit. ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP "the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history is answering your questions " ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Fleeing the country to avoid prosecution makes Snowden a coward. ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden To Participate In Online Q&A Today ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden 'not a Chinese spy' - Beijing ProSense Jun 17 General Discussion
OP DNI denies NSA analysts can tap calls without a warrant ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Schieffer Destroys Snowden: ‘I Don’t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China’ ProSense Jun 16 General Discussion
OP Hong Kong rallies in the rain for Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 15 General Discussion
OP Snowden’s Leaks on China Could Affect Its Role in His Fate ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP While working for spies, Snowden was secretly prolific online ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Kevin Drum: ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: Edward Snowden's worst fear has not been realised – thankfully (cites polls) ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Snowden Is Using 'Specific' Evidence of the U.S. Hacking China to Stay Out of Jail ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Snowden Is Not Welcome In The U.K. ProSense Jun 14 General Discussion
OP Leaker's Ties to China Probed ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Guardian "walked back the 'direct access' claim made in Greenwald’s original article" ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Report: Snowden Stored Documents On Thumb Drive ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Poll: Majority Says Snowden Did A Good Thing, But He Should Be Prosecuted ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Finding the right balance between security and liberty ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP NSA Director Says Leaker’s Wiretapping Ability Claims Are ‘False’ ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Report: Feds Hunted For Snowden Before He Went Public ProSense Jun 13 General Discussion
OP Guardian issues statement in reply to Rep. Peter King ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald to Pete King: Bring it on ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall: Curious ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Greenwald: “We Did Not Want To Just Go And Arbitrarily Disclose Things’ ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP ...Showed Hong Kong Newspaper Documents Revealing US Hacking Attacks On China (updated 2x) ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP Edward Snowden Reportedly Gives Interview To Chinese News Outlet ProSense Jun 12 General Discussion
OP NYT editorial: Surveillance: Snowden Doesn’t Rise to Traitor ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP Eugene Robinson: Edward Snowden’s NSA leaks show we need a debate ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP Bush broke the law. President Obama followed it. ProSense Jun 11 General Discussion
OP AP Editor: Do Not Describe Edward Snowden As A 'Whistleblower' ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP A Very Real Issue (private contractors) ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP "Most significant" leak in history, and likely one of the dumbest. ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Glenn Greenwald: I Know Where Snowden Is ‘Generally’ ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Snowden Helped Guardian Reporter With Secure Communication System ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP Ron Paul: ‘We Should Be Thankful’ For Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP The "biggest leak in US political history" ProSense Jun 10 General Discussion
OP DOJ: No Comment On Snowden ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP What happens if you don't take the loyalty oath to Edward Snowden? ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP What’s the Deal with Hong Kong? ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion
OP Josh Marshall on Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 9 General Discussion

..and it is just as plain as the nose on your face you really, really, REALLY don't care about Snowden either, no matter what all those other mean posters say.

[ProSense]

146. Good stuff. One of my favorite:

OP Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof
Edward Snowden Declares Himself Torture-Proof

[Marr]

137. I can't take credit for compiling anything.

That was Bonobo as far as I can tell. I had to look it up-- I just remembered that such a compilation existed and looked it up in Google. Full disclosure.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

131. Holy unhealthy obsession, Batman!

I knew she posted Snowden hate on a daily basis, but to see all the subject lines in one spot is both breathtaking and a little weird. My DU output is nothing by comparison--I only work that hard when someone is paying me.

[ProSense]

134. Wrong

"I knew she posted Snowden hate on a daily basis"

I posted nothing about Snowden yesterday. Still, you "knew" I posted about Snowden on a "daily basis"? How did you come up with that?

LOL!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

135. It's what my Rand Paul decoder ring told me to type.

[ProSense]

139. Stand

"It's what my Rand Paul decoder ring told me to type."

...with Rand.

Rand Paul Suggests Snowden And Clapper Share A Prison Cell

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday suggested that former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper should share a prison cell in the U.S.

"Maybe if they served in a prison cell together, we'd become further enlightened as a country over what we should and shouldn't do," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Paul said that he does not believe Snowden deserves harsh punishment for his leaks, but believes that both Snowden and Clapper broke the law.

"So James Clapper did break a law and there is a prison sentence for that. So did Edward Snowden," he said. "I don't think Edward Snowden deserves the death penalty or life in prison. I think that's inappropriate. And I think that's why he fled, because that's what he faced."

- more -

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-snowden-clapper-prison

[Gravitycollapse]

152. That list never ceases to amaze me.

[Corruption Inc]

177. Good one Marr! I don't understand why perma-propagandists are allowed here

Freedom of speech is a wonderful ideal but the propagandists like "NoSense" are pure trolls, abusers and liars who have no interest in anyone's speech. Thanks for some proof of the propagandists activities.

[nilesobek]

187. That's what I like about DU.

They keep accurate board stats. Its important for fact checking, and possible clues to motivation.

[Control-Z]

208. Posting this list seems

stalker creepy to me. Just saying.

[MyNameGoesHere]

94. I suppose the shame is overwhelming.

I find it hard to defend the indefensible, even if he is better than the other party.

[Cryptoad]

98. Beach House

Snowden secured his deal for a beach house in Crimea after giving Putin a copy of our War Book!

[DeSwiss]

107. Just more:

''Not telling the truth to someone…in my opinion...is a crime. But what is a bigger crime is knowing that we are being lied to and turning our head the other way. We become the bigger liars.''

~Christina Rasmussen

[ProSense]

110. Yup, Snowden's BS. LOL! n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

119. Is that why Obama changed his story about "transparency" or single payer?

[ProSense]

123. So Snowden is like Obama?

"Is that why Obama changed his story about 'transparency' or single payer?"

You're rebutting a post calling out Snowden's lies by claiming Obama lies too?

[wildbilln864]

148. well...

he has hasn't he.

[ProSense]

151. Start a thread calling him out. n/t

[wildbilln864]

153. don't need to. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

183. Obama doesn't lie???

[ProSense]

184. Are you saying Obama made Snowden lie?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

186. Only in the sense that Obama ignored the problems at NSA.

[bvar22]

198. Well, there is this:

[ProSense]

210. And what exactly is the point of that? n/t

[brooklynite]

125. I had lunch with a US Senator today...

He's sympathetic about the NSA issue, and thinks that should be taken into account, but still thinks Snowden has to return for judgement. All but one person in the room agreed.

[Logical]

132. Well, I would expect nothing less from someone who allowed the NSA to happen. n-t

[bvar22]

138. Was that one of the Senators that Gen. Clapper LIED to his face under oath?

Did you ask this Senator ,
"What should we do about a Spokesperson for the NSA who LIES to the Senate under Oath?"
and then just walks away?

Oh I soooo hope you asked him about that.
Should we all just Look Forward or something?

cause I believe lying to The Senate under oath as is a pretty important thing.

If this Senator believes Snowden should come home an let them treat him like they have Chelsea Manning,
don't you believe it would be consistent for Clapper to face charges too?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

143. I met General Hayden last week. We didn't have lunch.

But I did tell him that although he gave a good presentation, I disagreed with him. He asked me to expound, and I did the best I could in the ten or so seconds I had available to talk to him. I appreciated having that chance, as my orbit almost never intersects with those in positions of power.

[Cha]

156. Good to know, thanks.

[ProSense]

142. This

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024641730#post16

...must have really been upsetting, huh?

[Cha]

166. Wow.. bullies gonna

bully. They can't handle reality, PS.

[gulliver]

140. He's desperate for new asylum, I think.

All this noise from Snowden lately makes me think he's been getting some less-than-positive signals from Russia on his asylum renewal. To me, he sounds like someone trying to convince any third party country who will listen that he really has character. Everything he did was for the best intentions, following the rules, etc. Good luck.

He really blew it by putting down the United States and making juvenile rants like the one he made last December. That sank him. No country wants to be the base of operations for the tween hearthrob of libertarianism now that he's past his sell-by date. Gotta wonder what Putin is making of Snowden now.

I'm feeling about a 61% probability Snowden is in prison in August.

[ucrdem]

141. I guess it's Snowhog day in media land ...

I even heard a wheezy NPR guy humping the Texas thing on The World and turned it off right quick. Just when I thought it was safe to turn on NPR again, too.

[Vattel]

145. Where is the lie?

He hasn't changed his story. He only added to it. In the testimony you quote, he says: "I had reported these clearly problematic programs to more than ten distinct officials, none of whom took any action to address them. As an employee of a private company rather than a direct employee of the US government, I was not protected by US whistleblower laws, and I would not have been protected from retaliation and legal sanction for revealing classified information about lawbreaking in accordance with the recommended process." That sure sounds to me like he is saying that he feared using the "recommended process," which is what he has been claiming all along. He only adds that he raised concerns internally to his superiors (which would not have risked legal retaliation of the sort he feared). Where is the inconsistency?

You also make this puzzling claim: "Also, the reports about how he was able access the information cast doubt on his claim that he tried '10 times.' In fact, he appeared to have gained unauthorized access (borrowing or duping a coworker out of his/her password) to steal the information." That is a real stretch. Snowden had authorized access to classified information about various NSA programs. So has it occurred to you that, based on classified information he was authorized to see, he might have raised concerns to various officials prior to deciding to "go rogue" and duping a coworker to give him a password so that he could obtain documents to go public with? Again, there is no inconsistency in his story.

You really have no evidence of any lie as far as I can see.

[ProSense]

147. That's

"He hasn't changed his story. He only added to it. "

...called embellishment. Snowden has never mentioned this before, and his and his supporters past statements don't support the claim. Given that the question (why didn't he go through appropriate channels?) has been asked from the beginning, it's definitely a change in his story.

Also, go ahead and dismiss the fact that Snowden used other people's passwords to gain access.

[Vattel]

164. That is called "begging the question."

The added details are only an embellishment if they are false. His not having mentioned this before is hardly proof that he is lying.

Not sure why you think I dismissed the fact that Snowden used other people's passwords to gain access. I mentioned that fact without commenting on it.

[ProSense]

165. "The added details are only an embellishment if they are false."

"His not having mentioned this before is hardly proof that he is lying. "

Yeah, and his and his supporters' previous statements that contradict his claim aren't relevant. LOL!

[Vattel]

168. What has Snowden claimed in the past that contradicts what he is now saying?

You didn't quote any such claim in your OP.

[ProSense]

169. OK, ignore the OP, or you can reread it again. n/t

[ProSense]

167. Snowden: Giving his colleagues the "front-page test" was "reporting it"

Snowden: Giving his colleagues the "front-page test" was "reporting it"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024642573

[BenzoDia]

174. Hm, that's actually a good catch.

[flamingdem]

178. The addition of Snowden lowered the collective value of

SXSW considerably. His 15 minutes is over trendoids! Ukraine people, Putin people, lol

[ProSense]

188. Snowden Inc. ("The strategy: Attention = bargaining power")

Snowden Inc.

By: Josh Gerstein

<...>

The strategy: Attention = bargaining power

Snowden has also managed to used the very global interconnectedness that the NSA has exploited to his own benefit, carrying on his campaign remotely via Web chats and, now, a video link from his Russian exile. He often uses encrypted computer communications to engage with outsiders, as he did in an interview in October with The New York Times...Snowden’s advisers hope that his following at home and abroad increases his leverage in future discussions with the Justice Department about a potential plea bargain that could bring about his return to the United States. “The public discourse about what he’s done increases his popularity and his bargaining power,” said Radack.

Officially, Snowden’s legal team is insisting — for now — that he deserves a pardon, which would allow him to come home without any legal repercussions. However, when Attorney General Eric Holder signaled earlier this year that he was open to talks with Snowden’s attorneys, Radack said she welcomed the opening.

“We’re glad that Holder made that statement,” she told NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Top officials have repeatedly compared Snowden to Robert Hanssen, the FBI agent who spied for Russia and whose disclosures allegedly led to the deaths of at least three KGB agents working for the United States. Hanssen pleaded guilty and received a life sentence.

“Snowden … was manic in his thievery, which was exponentially larger than Hanssen’s,” NSA Inspector General George Ellard said at the Georgetown conference. “Hanssen’s theft was in a sense finite, whereas Snowden is open-ended as his agents decide daily which documents to disclose. Snowden had no background in intelligence and is likely unaware of the significance of the documents he stole.”

- more -

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/edward-snowden-national-security-agency-sxsw-104509_Page2.html

Our Chat With Edward Snowden’s Legal Counsel

<...>

Winship: How would you characterize what he has revealed?

Wizner: Well, maybe the best way to answer that question is to remember what President Obama said in the first week after the revelations began to appear on front pages. He said Americans shouldn’t be too worried about these disclosures because all three branches of government had blessed the programs and activities that were being disclosed. That was a true statement. That was also exactly the problem. And it’s worth looking at what those same three branches of government have done since Edward Snowden’s disclosures, since the public was brought into this conversation.

So let’s look at the courts. Now, it’s true that a court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had approved, in secret, some of these programs. It’s a court that hears only from the government, does not have the benefit of adversarial briefing, didn’t get to hear what our objections would have been. It’s also a court that was set up to give warrants, not to write opinions on whether surveillance programs in general were lawful. And when we tried to bring challenges to these programs in open federal courts, we got as far as the Supreme Court, but every court turned us away without even considering the legality of the programs. The government said, “These plaintiffs have no right to be in court. They can’t show that they were subjected to these surveillance programs, and therefore they don’t have standing. And they’re not allowed to use the discovery process to learn that, because that would be a state secret.” The result being that no one has the right to go into federal court to challenge the legality of these programs.

Edward Snowden was watching this. In our very first conversation, one of his first questions to me was, “Have these documents that have been published so far given you standing to go back in court?” To him, the idea that a court would not answer the question, “Is this program legal? Is it constitutional?” but instead would contort itself in order to not answer that question seemed like a failure of oversight, and he was right.

What’s happened since his disclosures? We have now taken some of these documents, gone back into federal courts, where our standing is really much harder to question. Two federal judges have now considered, for example, the constitutionality of the government’s collection of all telephone metadata. They’ve come so far to different conclusions on the legal question, but both said that the plaintiffs have standing to be in court. So one thing that he’s done is he’s reinvigorated judicial oversight.

- more -

http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/11/our-chat-with-edward-snowdens-legal-counsel/

[LanternWaste]

189. Very nice personal gossip column you've got going...

Very nice personal gossip column you've got going... Hedda Hopper's legacy lives on (but I'm quite certain your hats and smilies are far more clever than hers)

[ProSense]

190. Welcome, and

"Very nice personal gossip column you've got going...Very nice personal gossip column you've got going... Hedda Hopper's legacy lives on (but I'm quite certain your hats and smilies are far more clever than hers)"

...and you've already demonstrated that you find criticism of Snowden is upsetting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024639655

[riqster]

202. A song for Eddie:

http://m.

&feature=kp

[ProSense]

214. Kick! n/t

[uponit7771]

217. Good read

[ProSense]

218. Thanks! n/t