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http://politix.topix.com/story/10931-this-iconic-actor-is-bolting-the-gopThis Iconic Actor Is Bolting The GOP
Calls Republican Party 'a mess'
Yesterday by David Mark
Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP
Acclaimed actor Robert Duvall - one of the few open conservatives in Hollywood - is leaving the Republican Party calling it "a mess".
Duvall, 83, a movie icon for his roles in The Godfather films, Tender Mercies and The Natural, among many others, tells The Daily Beast:
Some of these very conservative Republicans... I don't know, man. I believe in a woman's choice.
That's quite a turnaround for Duvall, who narrated most of the videos for the 2008 Republican National Convention. In September 2008, he appeared on stage at a John McCain-Sarah Palin rally in New Mexico. In 2012, Duvall endorsed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. And back in 2001 was personally invited to President George W. Bush's inauguration.
Duvall has been nominated for six Academy Awards, winning for his performance in Tender Mercies, six Golden Globes, winning four, and has multiple nominations and one win each of the BAFTA, Screen Actors Guild Award, and Emmy Award. He received the National Medal of Arts in 2005.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)The Republican Party left him.
hatrack
(59,585 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)penultimate
(1,110 posts)He isn't a social conservative, is he?
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,574 posts)in the Navy I think so he comes from that kind of background...........
edited for spelling
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)This guy probably supported GWB and the rest of the weasely GOP presidents.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)and the less insane ones have taken over the Democratic party.
I wish they would take their own party back so we can have ours.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)100%
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)calimary
(81,265 posts)So it is.
I don't always trust when a republi-CON, especially as dedicated a republi-CON as this "comes over." He may not necessarily have seen the light. However, as an ardently pro-choice Democrat, the first thing I noticed was this quote:
"Some of these very conservative Republicans... I don't know, man. I believe in a woman's choice."
Indeed? If you do, then WHY THE HELL were you republi-CON to begin with? Why did it take you THIS long, sir? Okay, not wanting to look a gift horse in the mouth, I'll take you at your word and celebrate you. But to feel truly convinced, I'd have to see more of his renunciation and see if he sticks with it. You're DAMN STRAIGHT, Mr. Duvall. It IS a WOMAN'S CHOICE. And anyone who truly does believe that has no business being or voting or sympathizing with, or calling himself a member/supporter of, the GOP.
Hmmm. I'm sitting here, and as of just a few minutes ago was listening to dana rohrabacher (knuckle-dragger from Orange County CA) talking about states' rights in terms of marijuana legalization. AMAZING. He's in favor of legalized pot here in California and elsewhere. And gives several quite logical reasons for it. Explaining that "the federal government shouldn't interfere in people's private lives
" Well no freakin' SHIT, dana. No freakin' SHIT. So then why are you CONS so adamant about shoving hard plastic objects up women's vaginas and jackbooting yourselves collectively into every woman's gynecologist's examining rooms??????
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)and intelligent person could possibly support the Republican Party of today.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Come over from the dark side. One of my favorite actors.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)forever
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Nice guy, great actor--but don't look to him to suddenly be a Liberal.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I could never understand how someone with such enormous creative talent could be a republican/conservative.
All the other conservative artists, musicians, actors, writers, etc. are mediocre at their best. But Robert Duvall is excellent. I'm shocked it has taken him this long to break through the veil of stupidity, but better late than never.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I guess I wouldn't be surprised at Clint's leanings based on his early pulp Western work, but he has been in, and directed, some very sensitive moving works in his later career.
But yeah, most creative types are liberal. Look at the percentage of editorial cartoonists. Creative people naturally have a more open mind because they need the input to be able to distill it into their work. So they end up being very informed individuals. And when you are more informed, you begin to understand the deception by the elite powerful rightwing and their mouth pieces in the media conglomerates they own. Combine that with a passion to express oneself about the truth they see around them, and they are labeled as "liberals" whether they call themselves that or not.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Glad to see he's bailing!
jeffrey_pdx
(222 posts)I always loved his roles, good to see he sees who really cares.
tblue37
(65,343 posts)CincyDem
(6,358 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)Hard to get excited or praise the man. He should have left decades ago... seeing the light now is better than nothing I guess but good grief I'm not going to praise someone for doing what should have been a total no-brainer decades ago.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I've never understood how a good actor could be a con.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Pity, because he is such an incredible actor.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Independents are just people who say they are not republican, yet only vote for them
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)I have no doubt I am more liberal than you, I'm more liberal than 95% of DU.
He says this without even knowing who will be the candidates, "but she might even vote Democrat next time because the Republican Party is a mess. I'll probably vote Independent next time."
I will bet you 100 internet points that you will admit to voting for the Democratic candidate in 2016 before you even know who is running. As an unaffiliated voter I find that foolish and admitting to not caring that you are an uninformed voter. We should take the time to know the candidates before we vote.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)99% of the people who tell me they are independents are really republicans who don't want to admit it
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)who are now too liberal for the Democratic party.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I work with them. I am stuck down here in Texas.
hotrod0808
(323 posts)affiliated myself with a particular party. I am a very progressive, liberal voter. I refuse to register with a party because I've seen what has happened to the wavering of ideals in both parties in my lifetime. Prime example: the four bullshit pro-corporate Democrats that are OK with The Keystone XL, or the six bastard Democrats would not fight to the bitter end for increased minimum wage rates.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and should have said so.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)three election cycles. The Tea Party has torn the GOP to pieces. Rather the GOP has allowed the Teabillies to turn it into the Teapublican Party. We need a Blue Texas/US because the Red is turning shit brown.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)He's always been said to be really smart; he's really close with Jodie Foster (or was) and may even be the sperm donor of her sons... I'm not sure what his deal is. Too bad.... great actor and hilarious in Casino
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Now there's an oxymoron!
demwing
(16,916 posts)And though a registered Dem, identifies as very conservative.
Of course, there's the whole Sean Young thing, so the guy can't be all that bright.
It must be acting.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Too bad they can't find time to deprogram themselves. A little bit of truth (and science) never hurt anyone!
hadrons
(4,170 posts)Duvall said that they actually thought he was gay because he wanted to go into acting.
groundloop
(11,519 posts)He stated he'll probably vote Independent (my guess would be libertarian). I suppose that's a half a vote improvement for Democratic candidates.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)I've noticed that when many guys reach a certain age, think for themselves, and still have their mental faculties, they'll say what they d__n well please and not give a rat's rump what other people think of them.
It looks like Robert Duval has reached that point, even if he hasn't yet become a Democratic Party supporter and activist (But there might be hope).
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)And while I have only seen a couple come out identifying themselves as Democrats there are quite a few who now fall silent on any political subject. One individual was one of W's "pioneers" and other than a small donation to McCain hasn't contributed a cent to a Republican in years. It is probably a pure coincidence that he has a PhD in Biology.
functioning_cog
(294 posts)VICTORY!
Ratty
(2,100 posts)But standing on a stage and endorsing that dangerous moron from Alaska isn't one of them. That he couldn't see her for what she was ... that kind of idiocy never goes away.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)When a Republican stops being a Republican, the correct response is, "Welcome the Democratic Party."
The correct response is NOT "I'm still going to hold you accountable for what you used to believe."
"I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent." Luke 15: 7
Mr. Duvall is now on the side of the angels, and I welcome him.
Not to put too fine a point on this, but current Democratic "It Girl" Wendy Davis used to be a Republican -- even donated to George W. Bush's first presidential campaign. Markos Moulitsas and Garbrielle Giffords also used to be Republicans.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He should take "Frasier" with him...!
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Glad to see he's coming to his senses.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)that makes no fucking sense
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)There were tree-hugging Republicans once upon a time. The R's once had a strong environmentalist wing and it also used to have a strong pro-family planning faction. The Religious Right overwhelmed the pro-family planning faction and they were either side-lined or silenced themselves, and the environmentalists were sidelined by the extraction industry people and (so-called) free-market ideologues.
All too many still eat (bleep) and vote R out of thoughts of " party unity" and the occasional table scrap.
I wised up to what the Republican Party had become and at the end of the Cold War cheerfully started voting Democratic.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)And he was almost certainly the greatest tree-hugger of any president.
Of course, he would be drummed out of the GOP nowadays.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Indeed TR was a great conservationist and he would be drummed out of today's Republican Party.
As I see it, part of the Democratic Party's problem is that many of today's Republican Party's voters remember the GOP's progressive actions of the past without coming to grips with the fact that their party has changed, and changed for the worse.
TR built dams and created national parks; today's remaining center-right and moderate-conservatives are constantly building walls of denial.
packman
(16,296 posts)Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Imagine how he would relate to the Repukes today, or the Repukes to him.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)The GOP is so far out there on issues that anyone with sensible beliefs is no longer in line with them. I'm sure there are plenty of republicans who are now saying "good riddance." In fact, I have little doubt that a quick search of any republican forum will have posts calling him a rhino (I think that's the term) or a communist socialist. That out of touch extremist view of things will be the downfall of the republican party. I will say the republicans have a lot of mindless sheep who will follow them wherever they go though....
Skittles
(153,160 posts)well all I have to say to people like him is - WTF took you so long?
penultimate
(1,110 posts)I never heard him talk about politics much, so I did a search on youtube to see what I could find. I found an interview with on the Howard Stern show, and he came off as being rather socially conservative on issues. He's against gay marriage and stuff like that. I personally find it hard to find any sort of common ground with social conservatives, because their is little logic in many of their opinions. I may be wrong about him though, as I just listened to about 20 minutes of an interview that took place almost a decade ago.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)I mean, like seriously
Nixon signed the environmental protection act establishing the EPA, GHWB signed the clean air act. The radical bits are new.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NBachers
(17,108 posts)jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)I could buy this story from someone in 2002 when the Iraq war talk was heating up. In 2014? Just what the fuck happened now that was your last straw, guy? You mean to say two illegal wars, bowing to Wall Street after the financial crisis, pro-torture and climate denying and illegal spying and an imperial presidency wasn't enough to do it for you? It's like an old woman divorcing her husband because he's a killer and cannibal and used the meat from hitchhikers in his restaurant. He's a monster, you say. You don't even know him anymore. Well, we have video that shows you picking up those hitchhikers and you worked at the restaurant. You must have already known who and what he is. Did he leave the toilet seat up one too many times or something?
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I watch Open Range all the time. Great movie. I doubt he's really leaving the Republican Party. He prolly just got tired of some of their horseshit at the moment. I bet they put up a candidate he likes, he'll be back in with em.
Don't really care. I like my actors because of their body of work. Not party affiliation.
TRoN33
(769 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Beach Rat
(273 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)africanadian
(92 posts)And now, he's leaving a batshit-crazy party. Good for him!
bvf
(6,604 posts)that Dennis Hopper underwent a similar political conversion before his death a few years ago. Don't recall if he ever changed his political affiliation, but he did publicly support Obama in 2008.
This was a guy who years earlier buttonholed Newt Gingrich to shake his hand and tell him what a truly great man he was.
Regrettable that in both cases here their changes of heart came so late in life.
Back to Duvall: I even liked him in Sling Blade, where he had all of about one minute of screen time and no coherent lines.
tblue37
(65,343 posts)two candidates, and they are almost always R & D. The race where a candidate is labeledceither third-party or Independent is rare. (Sanders, for example, is Independent.)
BodieTown
(147 posts)...it's the coward's way, a dog whistle to his party.
Duvall apparently supposes that his former fans (like me) are as transparently stupid as he is.
Sorry, Bob: You can't even get the "...she might even vote Democrat..." part right, without using your dog whistle.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I dont want no damn conservative ideologies corrupting the DEmocratic Party. Tell them to stay and fix the Republican Party.
We dont want a one party system, especially if that one party is going to be conservative.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Not content with either major political party. There are a lot like him these days, many of whom are former Republicans but more middle-of-the-road. At least he's let it be known that he's not associating himself with the crazies who've taken over the Republican party, which might give others pause for thought as well. As for the GOP itself, it's not fixable in its current state, short of splintering and self-destructing which could very well be in the offing.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Our Democracy needs a strong two party system.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)The activists, the ones that vote in the primaries, skew straw polls, and affect the outcome of state caucuses, in other words what has come to define the Republican base -- these people are extreme right wing to the core and outnumber "establishment" conservatives many times over. They are dug in, uncompromising, and oblivious to anything outside their own ideological realm. As such, those who are less extreme and fewer in number will have no luck in persuading (let alone getting rid of) the hard core loonies.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)I'd guess that recent rants of the Teds Cruz & Nugent and those with a similar mindset might tend to make a thinking person ponder if they really want to be in the same party with these idiots. They can hold out for moderation, but it will not be forthcoming. A mess indeed.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)while Republicans have tried every which way to limit "woman's choice?" And let me know how that "voting independent" works out for you.
He's a fine actor, I admire his work, but any actor who supports the Republican party is, to me, an enemy of the people.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Here's the whole quote:
Let me say it this way: my wifes from Argentina, shes been here for a while, and shes very smart. She calls herself a tree-hugging Republican, but she might even vote Democrat next time because the Republican Party is a mess. Ill probably vote Independent next time. I think it was Jack Kerouac who said something like, Dont run down my country. My people are immigrants, so I believe in this country with all its faults. To me, its a big country thats made mistakes. Some of the bleeding-heart left-wing, extreme left-wing, are actually different from liberals. That movie The Butler? Its very inaccurate. JFK had one of the worst Civil Rights voting records. And the Rockefellers were much more liberal with the blacks. All the atrocities in the South were committed by the Democratic Party, but now, everythings been turned around in a strange way. Some of these very conservative Republicans I dont know, man. I believe in a womans choice. I believe in certain things. I hear they booed Rick Perry last night on the Jimmy Kimmel show. But its a great country. Weve done bad things. Slavery was terrible. One-third of all Freedmen in New Orleans fought for the South. I cant figure that out. Those things arent told in the history books. Thereve been lots of contradictions and this and that. But I think the countrys okay, and hopefully it will survive.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/13/robert-duvall-discusses-his-storied-career-a-night-in-old-mexico-and-why-he-s-ditching-the-gop.html
Iris
(15,653 posts)Also equating the Democratic party of today with the party in the South just after the Civil War. Good stuff.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Now they are left with the shit list of Victoria Jackson, Tom Selleck, Adam Sandler, Steven Segal, and Chuck Norris.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Today's GOP is nothing - NOTHING - like the majority of pre-Reagan era Republicans that I knew in my youth. Today's GOP consists primarily of the crazies that even the mainstream GOP of yore considered "fringe" at best.
Those GOPers I knew in my youth always had different emphases and concerns than I did, which is why we disagreed politically - and likely always will. But we were able to disagree courteously and respectfully, with reasoned - and rational - discourse on both sides. And ALL of us believed in ONE unified country that would move forward, more or less in concert with the will of the majority of the PEOPLE - NOT that of the corporations and NOT that of the One Percent.
They also were not beholden to the religious zealots that rule today's GOP.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)my once-adored James Woods to follow him, I'd be tickled pink. James Woods is a brilliant man but nobody who sticks with the GOP can be considered smart.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Clint Eastwood cleaned me of caring one speck what some old, wealthy white guy who lives on a mountain of gold "cares about". It just reinforces my faith in humanity when the other 99 perception can throw off their cover of wealth and STILL stand for what is right and just in our government and policies. The 1 percent, like Duvall & Eastwood mean NADA!
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)when you're party is so unpopular, especially with women and you're married to one.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)what exactly did he think Palin was going to do for the nation as VP?
His wife is intelligent and a tree hugger, but he worked for McCain..interesting.
Nice he dumped the Republicans in a public way.
Warpy
(111,257 posts)and I've always loved his work. That he is intelligent enough to notice the GOP has gone stark, staring crazy doesn't surprise me in the least.
8 years of Stupid followed by the teabagger crazies should have awakened everybody sane.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)are dumb as 2X4s.
They are masters of intuition & navigating human emotions
with their bodies & faces & voices. It's a special talent
& can deceive others into thinking acting translates into
political or other sorts of intelligence.
P.S. My favorite movie of all-time is Tender Mercies.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)We tend to want to believe that actors are the characters they play, but it's just an illusion. They put on the characters with the makeup and clothes.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)& so speak the best lines which add to the illusion
that they are the best people (i.e., like us, tee hee).
barbtries
(28,794 posts)but i didn't know where he stood politically. will probably never feel the same about him now...it took him to 2014 to realize this??
mdbl
(4,973 posts)until I read this post. Didn't even know he was a repug. Too bad he's contributed so greatly to the decline of our society.
charlives
(34 posts)He was good in "Falling Down" though
UTUSN
(70,691 posts)Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)Iris
(15,653 posts)Nothing much has changed since then
toby jo
(1,269 posts)explains a lot. He's starting to see something amiss, good again.
Best part, now he'll actually listen to our speeches, websites, leaders, and get the focus going. Now he's got some truth coming down the pipe at him.
Good. And a great actor, anything with Bobby D in it is worth your time.
Aristus
(66,352 posts)I was raised in a Southern military family, and my mother is an unreconstructed, old-school Kennedy liberal. She even marched in JFK's Inaugural parade. My dad for most of his life was a left-leaning moderate.
Like a lot of people who should have known better, he did a hard-right turn after September 11th, (long after he retired from the Army, BTW.) Supported the war in Iraq.
After that went down the drain, and my dad woke up, or sobered up, or whatever, he came to his senses and back to his political roots.
He spent most of 2008 supporting Barack Obama's candidacy, and saying of George W. Bush: "I can't wait until we get that fucking idiot out of the White House!"
He cast his last vote ever for Obama that November, and died the next May.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)He' still too stupid, IMHO.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)He just doesn't want to be called a repug, but he'll probably still vote for one.
IkeRepublican
(406 posts)Hollywood "Republicans" really don't pay much attention to what's going on politically. They spout off all of these Eisenhower/Nixon ideologies, yet always come to the bosom of what ever goofball is running for a current Republican slot, which speaks volumes.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)and always will be judging from his political views of the last 10 years.