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it was too heavy and it sunk? Just asking.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)than they did of the satellite images that China released. Your question about when Australian satellite took the image and what would be expected when they got to that spot is exactly what I was thinking when Malaysian authorities just blew off the China satellite images as being sent "by accident" without saying what the hell that meant and that they went to that spot four days after those images were taken and a fly over saw "nothing." And that was the end of that. The Chinese satellite images also coincided with the same area that the guy from the oil rig had reported seeing a plane explode or on fire in the sky and drop into the ocean... and his information was in great detail. And right after that they pulled all the searchers out of that area and sent them hundreds and hundreds of miles in the opposite direction suddenly claiming that somehow that's where the plane went.
The difference in how the incident of the China satellite images, their blowing it off with no explanation and pulling out all the search crafts from the area to suddenly go chasing after what they have NEVER been certain was the plane in question on radar and how this new incident that is unbelievably similar yet without any corroborating information (guy on the oil rig) is being treated is so opposite it's like stepping through the looking glass in Alice in Wonderland.
And though all this tracking of the alleged plane on Malaysian military radar we're supposed to believe that they didn't send up their 24/7 ready fighter jets to intercept this unidentified aircraft on their radar that wasn't supposed to be there and flying erratically when that's their JOB. Frankly, I don't believe for a minute that those fighter jets sat on the ground while they farted around doing absolutely nothing.
The entire thing right from the beginning has been a clusterfuck of misinformation, lame excuses, no explanations, perpetual denials of what they just publicly stated continually with every single thing they did claim turning out to be false... it's a complete disgrace. Never in my life have a seen any major catastrophe handled in this way by BOTH the authorities and the media. Where are the pilot, military, crash investigator, etc. interviews to get professionals' input? Right out of the gate it was hijacking, piracy, pilot suicide, terrorism and every single nefarious thing imaginable with NO ONE logically starting from Point One - the plane had some kind of mechanical/technical/pilot error/weather catastrophe in flight and crashed. With any plane crash, that's ALWAYS the first assumption, and rightly so since nearly all of the time that's what it IS. But like everything else with this one plane crash incident absolutely everything about it has been a shameful fiasco one of the worst of which was allowing people to believe that the plane may have landed somewhere with living passengers when they never have believed that. Allowing grieving loved ones hysterical to find out what the hell happened to have false hope that the people on the plane could be alive somewhere is grotesque.
At first I thought China's outrage toward Malaysia was crazy and entirely without merit, but I sure as hell can see why they're so pissed off and were early on. Malaysia is hiding something and doing a very bad job of it. I can see why China and it's people have recently erupted and are demanding "the truth" about this plane. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Malaysian air force did its job and intercepted the plane and for some legitimate reason shot it down. Authorities saying that it want up past it's capable altitude height of 45,000 ft. I really think that there was a rapid decompression that rendered everyone on board unconscious with the plane just cruising along on autopilot. If it was headed toward land and a populated area (and China is probably the most highly populated country on earth) they would have had good reason to shoot it down, but no country will ever admit to doing such a thing, and would rather let people believe it just crashed in the ocean somewhere, and we'll never know what happened and never be able to find it.
It's driving me batty that no one in the media has bothered to ask any actual questions to FIND OUT what is known, and what it MEANS when they always do with every other plane crash that's every happened. Why have none of them asked how they knew that the comms were deliberately shut down and if there would be any other explanation for them ceasing to function. Why have none of them asked why the Malaysian air force sat on their collective asses when it's their job to get in the air and intercept the unidentified aircraft that was on their radar? Where are all the interviews with experts to ask questions of and explain things? And it's hardly just US media, it's all of them from every country. I've NEVER ever seen anything so absurd as this with any other plane crash or other catastrophe especially one that lasts for so long and one that has been overflowing with practically nothing but misinformation. And even worse, in this one case it's the media that have been continually feeding the misinformation such as always claiming something authorities said MIGHT be and reporting it at IS.
This most recent incident of loved ones demanding Malaysian authorities tell the truth and their being physically hauled out is horrifying. What on earth is so scary about the truth of what happened that they have to drag off grieving loved ones for demanding it??? I still can't wrap my head around the fact that they did that and worse that it took them so damn long to apologize when they should NEVER have permitted such a thing and should have been outraged that it happened. Malaysian authorities have had things THROWN at them during briefings yet didn't bat an eye yet when someone demands they tell the truth they're bodily hauled out of the room.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Neither use of force was really justified in any way so Malaysia can just claim the same sovereign right to kill people stupidly as any other nation.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Yet the US still blamed Iran for the incident, never apologized and at first refused to pay anything to the families of the passengers. We even criticized Iran for letting a commercial plane fly into a "war zone". It was also shot down by mistake as it was misidentified as an Iranian F-14 (military plane). There's a world of difference in shooting down a plane by accident and shooting it down deliberately even if a deliberate shoot down was the correct response.
http://books.google.com/books?id=5bGozw-D28gC&lpg=PA142&ots=NbiN1x6s0T&dq=uss%20vincennes%20iran%20apology&pg=PA142#v=onepage&q=uss%20vincennes%20iran%20apology&f=false
If you're talking about Russia shooting down our U-2 spy plane during the cold war that wouldn't count for obvious reasons. It was a spy plane, not a commercial jet. In that incident it was the US that tried to cover it up since it was a spy plane (and we really embarrassed ourselves doing that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident#American_cover-up_and_exposure
Not seeing any US commercial airliner shot down by Russia in the shoot down list.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)KAL 007, to be exact, in 1983.
Although they did shoot down Gary Powers and his U2 spy plane back in 1960.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)hard questions. Just last evening I watched BBC News and their reporter at the Malaysian press briefing asked a question about the plane's course and if they had information why weren't they divulging it. The Malaysian officials at the podium, without exception, simply stopped talking and glared. Then one gave some bromide about how it was important to find out what had happened to the plane. Well, gosh sir, no duh. The Malaysians simply refuse to answer any questions of substance.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)It seems that everyone is pretty much in the dark. Demanding answers is absurd when no one knows anything.
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LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)was asking for clarification on a portion of a report regarding the course of the plane that the Malaysians themselves had issued and which they had then turned around and dismissed as hearsay. If they issued it, they must have known something about it.