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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:31 AM Mar 2014

Obamacare: It's Obama's signature achievement

Let’s begin with the meme threatening that healthcare reform will lead to a serious decline in full-time employment as employers reduce workforce hours to below 30 per week in the effort to avoid their responsibility to provide health benefits to their employees.

It turns out that there has, in fact, been no such rush to reduce work hours. Indeed, numbers released last week reveal that precisely the opposite is taking place.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the number of part-time workers in the United States has fallen by 300,000 since March of 2010 when the Affordable Care Act was passed into law. What’s more, in the past year alone—the time period in which the nation was approaching the start date for Obamacare—full-time employment grew by over 2 million while part-time employment declined by 230,000.

And it gets even more interesting.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/18/1285643/-Every-Democrat-who-wants-to-win-should-memorize-Rick-Ungar-s-piece-on-the-FACTS-about-Obamacare

Under Obamacare, Disney World Will Promote Its Part-Time Workers To Full-Time Status
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023767654

STUDY: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024415004

CBO: Guys, We Didn't Say Obamacare Would Cost 2.5 Million Jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014723823

Obamacare boosting household income and spending
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024606074

The heatlh care law also raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.

Net Investment Income Tax

A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.

Additional Medicare Tax

A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual’s wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individual’s filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions


Health Insurers Will Be Charged to Use New Exchanges
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/health/health-insurers-will-be-charged-to-use-new-exchanges.html

Obamacare also improved the Medicaid drug rebate program, which is one of the best.

Medicaid Drug Rebate Program

<...>

The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.

The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturer’s drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drug’s coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.

http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html

The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html

Issue Brief - Medicare Drug Negotiation and Rebates

<...>

Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drug’s price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).

- more -

http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates


Medicare Improvements

The ACA contains several important improvements to the Medicare program, many of which are already helping seniors today.

1) Closing the donut hole

a. Medicare Part D covers the cost of medications up to a certain point. Between that point, and a catastrophic coverage threshold, the older adult must pay out of pocket for medication (this gap in coverage is often called the Part D “donut hole”). One in four beneficiaries fall in this gap, and end up paying an average of $3,610 out of pocket on drug expenses.

b. The ACA requires drug manufacturers to reduce prices for Medicare enrollees in the donut hole. Beginning in 2011, brand‐name drug manufacturers must provide a 50% discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for Part D enrollees in the donut hole. By 2013, Medicare will begin to provide an additional discount on brand‐name and biologic drugs for enrollees in the donut hole. By 2020, Part D enrollees will be responsible for only 25% of donut hole drug costs.

c. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

2) Improving senior’s access to preventive medical services

a. Prior to the ACA, Medicare beneficiaries were required to pay a deductible and 20% copay for many preventive health services.

b. The ACA eliminated cost‐sharing for many preventive services and introduced an annual wellness visit for beneficiaries.

c. The ACA also eliminated cost‐sharing for screening services, like mammograms, Pap smears, bone mass measurements, depression screening, diabetes screening, HIV screening and obesity screenings.

d. This is a benefit seniors are getting now, and will continue to get as a result of this decision.

<...>

Medicaid Long Term Services and Supports Improvements
Several provisions in the ACA will make it easier for seniors to get long‐term services and supports at home and in the community. Medicaid provides funding for long‐term care services in institutions, such as nursing homes and in the community. Seniors prefer to receive care in their homes, and it is generally less expensive, however, most states spend their Medicaid primarily on institutional care. The ACA includes incentives to encourage states to shift Medicaid spending from institutions to the community, so that individuals who require long‐term care services may receive care in least‐restrictive environment. These incentives are not directly impacted by the Court’s decision to limit the Medicaid expansion. Elements of the ACA that enhance home and community long‐term care include:

1) Community First Choice Option (CFCO) provides participating states with a six percentage point increase in federal Medicaid matching funds for providing community‐based attendant services and supports to individuals who would otherwise be confined to a nursing home or other institution.

2) Balancing Incentive Payment Program targets increased federal matching funds to states that spend less than half of their Medicaid long‐term care expenditures on community‐based care. This spring, six states received grants to improve their community‐based care.

3) Extending Medicaid’s spousal impoverishment protection provisions to spouses of individuals who seek long‐term care in the community. This rule goes into effect in 2014.

- more -

http://www.ncpssm.org/Portals/0/pdf/aca-analysis.pdf

Obamacare fulfilling promise to older Americans
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/18/1278514/-Obamacare-filling-promise-to-older-nbsp-Americans

How Obamacare Could Revolutionize Addiction Treatment
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/12/2609501/obamacare-revolutionize-addiction-services/

New Federal Rule Requires Insurers to Offer Mental Health Coverage
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/health/new-federal-rule-requires-insurers-to-offer-mental-health-coverage.html

Obamacare Insurance Must Now Cover Gay Spouses, Too
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-gay-spouses

More Doctors, Hospitals Partner to Coordinate Care for People with Medicare
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2013pres/01/20130110a.html

Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225

Multi-State Plan Program and the New Health Insurance Marketplace
http://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/multi-state-plan-program/#url=Factsheet

New Loan Program Helps Create Customer-Driven Non-Profit Health Insurers
http://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Grants/new-loan-program.html

Obama just launched single-payer in America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024088437

Uh... we should be thanking *Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden* for single payer in America.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024088636

Uninsurance Rate Falls To Five-Year Low As 3.3 Million Enroll In Obamacare
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/12/3284581/uninsurance-rate-year-obamacare-enrollments/

UPDATE: ACA Signups: Lots of Stuff Happened Today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024689326



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022853977

Thanks President Obama. Thanks for fighting harder than anyone else to benefit every American.

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Obamacare: It's Obama's signature achievement (Original Post) ProSense Mar 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Mar 2014 #1
Mission Accomplished ucrdem Mar 2014 #2
Nice photo. ProSense Mar 2014 #6
Mission NOT accomplished ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #23
+1000. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #29
I don't think the ACA ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #32
That is what I'm hoping, although the strategy is perplexing at times. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #37
Not at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #42
Yep. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #49
Oh there's room to grow sure ucrdem Mar 2014 #58
Me? Diminish ANYTHING this President accomplishes? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #60
I was wondering, what is wrong with cheerleading? treestar Mar 2014 #3
I'm a cheerleader and proud. ProSense Mar 2014 #5
Totally treestar Mar 2014 #13
I've been pointing that out too ... the same folks claiming the voters aren't excited ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #7
thank you! treestar Mar 2014 #12
I used to think that hfojvt Mar 2014 #15
I used to think that liberals were realtively optimistic. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #18
Thanks Joe, that about sums it up. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #27
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #43
the main thing wrong with cheerleading hfojvt Mar 2014 #8
Nonsense, and ProSense Mar 2014 #9
I made a general statement about cheerleading hfojvt Mar 2014 #10
How do we get the voters "excited" treestar Mar 2014 #14
Wait ProSense Mar 2014 #17
my bad hfojvt Mar 2014 #30
You got the argument without "could" and ProSense Mar 2014 #64
I assume a cheerleader is genuinely in favor of the policy treestar Mar 2014 #11
yes, and some cheerleaders were genuinely in favor hfojvt Mar 2014 #20
then cheerleading is not inherently wrong treestar Mar 2014 #21
it is bad when people wrongly believe that bad policy is good hfojvt Mar 2014 #25
Again you are conflating enthusiastic support treestar Mar 2014 #39
Gee ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #46
If you are talking to a potential Dem voter ... what will you say about the ACA? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #16
I won't talk about the ACA unless I am asked hfojvt Mar 2014 #22
Then I hope those people meet my niece and not you. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26
you do realize hfojvt Mar 2014 #40
So you are going to find the Democrats running against treestar Mar 2014 #36
But of late ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #44
worse than that hfojvt Mar 2014 #45
True. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #53
Funny how that works, huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #31
Exactly! Cheerleading for Elizabeth and Bernie treestar Mar 2014 #33
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #38
ACA Tide Turns: Protesters Arrested In GA, GOPer Schools Scottie ProSense Mar 2014 #4
FACTS SUCK!!!! / sarcarsm <-----cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Mar 2014 #19
Scott Brown gets an awkward lesson about Obamacare ProSense Mar 2014 #24
He's running on all negative when it comes to Obamacare Iliyah Mar 2014 #35
Elizabeth Warren is already hitting him on Jeanne Shaheen's behalf. ProSense Mar 2014 #56
Great! Scottie's like the engergizer Cha Mar 2014 #66
He'll get his ass handed to him. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #69
Heap of satisfaction seeing one Loser Carpetbag Cha Mar 2014 #71
I wonder what state he will try to screw next. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #41
Paul Ryan also got called out at a town hall ProSense Mar 2014 #47
And so it begins~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #48
Yup! ProSense Mar 2014 #52
Wonderful! thanks Obama! Cha Mar 2014 #67
That should be an OP.. Scott Brown isn't the only one who's gotten Cha Mar 2014 #65
He's such a tool. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #70
I'll say "mission accomplished" when we have Medicare for all mountain grammy Mar 2014 #28
Agree. The goal is single payer. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #54
I love your posts, ProSense. The links are good and always produce even more than expected. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #61
Thanks ProSense Mar 2014 #62
Did you see this: ProSense Mar 2014 #72
K & R Iliyah Mar 2014 #34
That "Uh... we should be thanking *Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden" thread Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #50
LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #51
LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #75
It's almost Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #76
Robert Reich on Obamacare ProSense Mar 2014 #55
kick and rec ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #57
Kick, Rec, Bookmarked IADEMO2004 Mar 2014 #59
Thanks. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #63
K Cha Mar 2014 #68
Hey, thanks: ProSense Mar 2014 #73
KICK!! Cha Mar 2014 #74
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Mission NOT accomplished ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:10 AM
Mar 2014

but a significant milestone towards healthcare financing has been reached.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. I don't think the ACA ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:20 AM
Mar 2014

was ever President Obama's healthcare financing end point ... Just a step on the path.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. Not at all ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:34 AM
Mar 2014

Not to folks that were/are actively engaged in community organizing around social justice; where the strategy is/has always been, "take what you can get and push forward ... it really is about movement, no matter how, frustratingly, slow or slight."

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
58. Oh there's room to grow sure
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:31 PM
Mar 2014

But let's not diminish a phenomenal accomplishment, one that PBO doggedly pursued through a political minefield like none I've seen. I remember the day the SC ruling came down in June '12. I heard it on NPR and thought wow, history has been made. And it has!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
60. Me? Diminish ANYTHING this President accomplishes? ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:57 PM
Mar 2014

Naw ... you got the wrong guy here.

Yes, history was made ... though too many have missed it; but will sing its praise later ... But President Obama ain't done ... and neither are Democrats.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. I was wondering, what is wrong with cheerleading?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:41 AM
Mar 2014

Would athletic contests be better if there were none?

But at any rate, it's better to cheer something on rather than cut everything down all the time.

People complain the voters aren't "excited" enough and that's why they don't vote, yet the same people cut down "cheerleading." They are against drumming up positive feeling and excitement.

If we are positive about this and make it work, it will lead to single payer. Cutting it down enables those who would get rid of it and go backward. They are the enthused who can "excite" the passive voters.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Totally
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:32 AM
Mar 2014

If they want single payer, how do they think the voters will get enthused about having that while they trash the ACA? It is unrealistic to be so negative about everything and then expect progress.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. I've been pointing that out too ... the same folks claiming the voters aren't excited ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:50 AM
Mar 2014

... spend all of their time on DU screaming about how Democrats suck and aren't worth voting for.

I had one claim that low Democratic turn out would mean that "Dems are waking up".

I honestly hope these folks stay here on DU whining in a closed box, and never go outside as part of a GOTV effort.

Your last sentence is dead on. We use the ACA to get punblic options and single payer at the state level. Then the dominoes start to fall.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. thank you!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:31 AM
Mar 2014

Those calling it not good enough want more and how do they expect to get it by constantly complaining and leaving Republicans plenty of fodder to work with! They are dampening enthusiasm for single payer, which they claim they want.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
18. I used to think that liberals were realtively optimistic.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:45 AM
Mar 2014

I've found through DU, that there is a segment who is always pessimistic and angry. Always.

The predict doom at every opportunity. And when doom does not occur, they shrug it off. They were still right, doom is still going to happen, it just got delayed.

UE goes up ... Bad. UE goes down, also bad.

Market down ... bad. Market up, also bad.

DADT will never end ... DADT ends, meh .. Obama didn't want it to end.

Aca is the same. If ti didn't pass, bad (because the old system would have remained). Wait, it did pass ... that's really bad.

sheshe2

(83,756 posts)
27. Thanks Joe, that about sums it up.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:14 AM
Mar 2014

I wish some of that negative energy would be put to better use.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. But ... But ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:44 AM
Mar 2014
I honestly hope these folks stay here on DU whining in a closed box, and never go outside as part of a GOTV effort.


They NEVER talk down Democrats anywhere except among their Democratic friends! That's what they say.

Taking them at their word (that they can't in one moment be hyper-critical and enthusiastic supporters, in the next) ... it would seem they are oblivious to their enthusiasm dampening effect they have on their unenthused Democratic friend.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. the main thing wrong with cheerleading
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:05 AM
Mar 2014

is when it takes bad policy and dishonestly spins propaganda that it is really good policy.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. Nonsense, and
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:09 AM
Mar 2014

"the main thing wrong with cheerleading is when it takes bad policy and dishonestly spins propaganda that it is really good policy."

...where is the "bad policy" in the OP? Is it help for seniors?

The problem with silly spin is that all it takes is someone to say anything.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. I made a general statement about cheerleading
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:28 AM
Mar 2014

I did not apply it to this OP

But here is one example from the 600 mile long OP

if you really want one.

How Obamacare Could Revolutionize Addiction Treatment
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/12/2609501/obamacare-revolutionize-addiction-services/

To say that Obamacare is great and to "prove" that by an article talking about what Obamacare 'could' do is a very weak sort of proof.

It's a little bit like trying to prove Bill Self is a great coach by writing about how KU 'could' win it all this March, or to argue that he's a bad coach by writing that KU 'could' lose in the first round of the big dance.

It ain't over until it's over. Any number of things 'could' happen.

And "all it takes is for some one to say anything."

You mean like an "argument" that begins by declaring any contrary argument to be 'nonsense'?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. How do we get the voters "excited"
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:34 AM
Mar 2014

without cheering about how we "could" win on something? !!!!!

Gloom about how the ACA is not good enough only dampens enthusiasm.

And it's the same people claiming we should "excite" the voters and give them something to vote for. The possibilities are what they can get excited about.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. Wait
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:44 AM
Mar 2014
if you really want one.

How Obamacare Could Revolutionize Addiction Treatment
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/12/2609501/obamacare-revolutionize-addiction-services/

To say that Obamacare is great and to "prove" that by an article talking about what Obamacare 'could' do is a very weak sort of proof.

...that's your example of "bad policy"? Because the article said "could"?

The fact is that the Obamacare did expand drug treatment.

How Obamacare Is Changing Addiction Treatment Coverage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/obamacare-addiction-treatment-coverage-aca_n_4896388.html


hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
30. my bad
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:16 AM
Mar 2014

you asked for a 'bad policy'

and I gave you, instead, an example of a 'bad argument' for supporting a policy.

But if your 'proof' that a policy is good includes a whole bunch of 'bad arguments' then that does tend to make the policy suspect. Otherwise, why not use good arguments to defend it?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
64. You got the argument without "could" and
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:19 AM
Mar 2014

"if your 'proof' that a policy is good includes a whole bunch of 'bad arguments' then that does tend to make the policy suspect. Otherwise, why not use good arguments to defend it?"

...this doesn't make sense. I mean, proposals are not "bad arguments."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. I assume a cheerleader is genuinely in favor of the policy
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:29 AM
Mar 2014

But then why would not anyone cheerlead what one thinks is a good thing?

I can't see any honest argument that the ACA makes it worse, harder to get eventually to a goal of single payer.

And I have this nagging feeling that even a single payer system would have imperfections causing the usual gloom crowd to call it a disappointment and betrayal anyway.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
20. yes, and some cheerleaders were genuinely in favor
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:57 AM
Mar 2014

of the invasion of Iraq
and the Bush tax cuts

Some people believed in them. Some were paid to push for them. Others believed in them after they got persuaded by those who were paid to push for them.

When policies line somebody's pockets they can fund some propaganda to support such policies.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. then cheerleading is not inherently wrong
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:06 AM
Mar 2014

one will cheerlead what one believes in. Which is why it's so odd that it is considered bad to cheerlead some progress on health care payment systems in a liberal Democratic environment. And proper to dampen all enthusiasm for progress in that area.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
25. it is bad when people wrongly believe that bad policy is good
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:12 AM
Mar 2014

and it is considered bad when people will not listen to facts and reason about policies because they just wanna cheer on their dreamy hero.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
39. Again you are conflating enthusiastic support
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:27 AM
Mar 2014

with being in total agreement with you as the only acceptable thing and that is never going to happen in the real world.

Is there a serious argument that we would be closer to single payer with no ACA?

I could as well call whoever you want to win to be your dreamy hero. That kind of talk is just being mean. Maybe people really do want this person in the office and want him to succeed as well as possible and want to set the ground so as to make more progress in the future under the next D President? Maybe they really think that cheerleading on the D President could lead to more D midterm voters and a Congress that will vote for more progress? The D Senate we had wasn't progressive enough for a public option. We should have cheered Obama for wanting one and blamed the Republicans that we can't have it, and that way we'd get more Dem voters out to vote for a Senate that might allow for it.

Just blaming the D president as "weak" didn't work. It did not pull one Dem leftward. It just got them out of office in favor of Republicans.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
46. Gee ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014
Maybe they really think that cheerleading on the D President could lead to more D midterm voters and a Congress that will vote for more progress?


Are you saying that all those political wonkie folks are onto something with their Presidential favorability numbers/midterm elections predictive models?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
16. If you are talking to a potential Dem voter ... what will you say about the ACA?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:39 AM
Mar 2014

Will you promote it as a good starting point that we should work to build on, adding public options at the state level, and single payer at the state level, and using those to push a federal PO into the federal exchanges? That this is why every Dem should get up and go vote on election day?

Or ...

Will you claim the ACA sucks, Dems suck, and that we're going to lose in 2014 so there's really no reason to get up on election day?

Well?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
22. I won't talk about the ACA unless I am asked
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:09 AM
Mar 2014

at which point I have to say what I actually think.

I'm not gonna say it's a good starting point, if that is not what I think.

And my own motivation to vote is not based on some optimism about our chances of winning. It is based on my desire to do what I can to defeat a bad governor named Brownback and to defeat a bad congressperson named Jenkins.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
26. Then I hope those people meet my niece and not you.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

She's 17 and the ACA has improved her life immensely and will ultimately save her life.

Her view of the ACA is very encouraging.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
40. you do realize
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

that's not a very niece thing to say

and also it is always possible that somebody who hates Obamacare will connect better with somebody who is ambivalent about Obamacare than they will with somebody who is all zippadeedooda about a policy they hate.

But yeah, when I was doing GOTV in 2008 with this attractive black woman, I was trying to convince this black guy to go to the polls and take his mother too, I was trying to wave her over because I figured she would be more persuasive than I was.

But really, neither of us got anybody to the polls, in spite of driving 40 miles and walking two.

But at the end of the day, I tried. I tried.

I wish she had walked down that long driveway and tried too.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. So you are going to find the Democrats running against
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:23 AM
Mar 2014

Brownback and Jenkins to be worth talking up, cheering for (and in that state they are likely to be rather conservative Democrats). Getting people enthused to vote for them?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
44. But of late ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:52 AM
Mar 2014

"Cheer-leading" is saying anything positive about this President or certain Democrats, especially in the face of the ever pessimistic, ever angry's "it's all bad ... if not now, then it will be."

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
45. worse than that
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:57 AM
Mar 2014

cheerleading is saying anything positive about this country.

We are the evil empire and Obama = Khrushchev

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
31. Funny how that works, huh? ...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
Mar 2014
People complain the voters aren't "excited" enough and that's why they don't vote, yet the same people cut down "cheerleading." They are against drumming up positive feeling and excitement.


And those that criticize "cheer-leading" seem to ignore that "cheer-leading" and "Booing" are different sides of the same coin, i.e., expressing support or displeasure.

Lastly, those critical of "cheer-leading" seem to have no problem when the "cheer-leading" is for their politico of choice, i.e., "We just need more like {Insert politico of choice} ... What? {politico of choice} supported said legislation? ... CRICKETS."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Exactly! Cheerleading for Elizabeth and Bernie
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

"I love that woman!"

"Bernie for President!"

And yet it's wrong to cheer for Obama who actually is President, to get as much as he can out of Congress, especially one that is so intent on opposing him just for him and not even out of policy!

Cha

(297,207 posts)
66. Great! Scottie's like the engergizer
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:19 AM
Mar 2014

elephant.. he got a taste of the lime light in the Senate and he doesn't understand what a useless tool he is.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
47. Paul Ryan also got called out at a town hall
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:39 PM
Mar 2014
Paul Ryan Gets An Earful From Constituent Who Will Save Hundreds Under Obamacare

By Scott Keyes

RACINE, Wisconsin — Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has been one of the primary architects of the GOP’s ongoing crusade to repeal and replace Obamacare. Most recently, the Budget Chairman has indicated that Republicans will attempt to pass individual reforms to roll back the health law’s provisions piece by piece....On Wednesday, the Republican congressman was confronted by one such voter at a town hall in southeast Wisconsin.

“ACA subsidies are a good thing,” Michael Martincic, 64, of Oak Creek told Ryan, criticizing his Party’s repeated attempts to get rid of the health reform law.

Martincic works as a roofer and is currently paying $700 for his health insurance through his union. However, upon browsing Healthcare.gov — “it was so easy to get on the site; the whole thing only took 15 minutes,” Martincic told ThinkProgress afterward — he found that he qualified for subsidies and could be paying as little as $200 for coverage.

Martincic also told Ryan about others who had been helped by Obamacare as well, including a friend with leukemia whose out-of-pocket expenses had been cut in half. At several points, the crowd clapped and cheered for him.

Nonetheless, Ryan defended his party’s repeal votes — 51 in total — noting that some of them only aimed to chip away at particular parts of Obamacare. “We didn’t have 51 votes to repeal it altogether 51 times,” Ryan said. “That’s sort of this urban legend…there are many pieces of this law that we went after.”

Watch it:

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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/20/3416783/paul-ryan-constituent-obamacare/

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
52. Yup!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:16 PM
Mar 2014

Republicans think that repeal votes in Congress are going to stop people from wanting access to health care.

Cha

(297,207 posts)
65. That should be an OP.. Scott Brown isn't the only one who's gotten
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:13 AM
Mar 2014

an "awkward lesson" about Obamacare in New Hampshire.

Brown found that out on Saturday, when he stopped by the home of Herb Richardson, a Republican state representative. Sitting in Richardson's home, Brown called Obamacare a "monstrosity" that members of Congress didn't even bother to read before they passed. At that point, according to the Coos County Democrat, Richardson chimed in to explain that the law had been a "financial lifesaver" for him and his wife. From the piece (page 14 [pdf]):

Richardson was injured on the job and was forced to live on his workers' comp payments for an extended period of time, which ultimately cost the couple their house on Williams Street. The couple had to pay $1,100 a month if they wanted to maintain their health insurance coverage under the federal COBRA law.
Richardson said he only received some $2,000 a month in workers' comp. payments, however, leaving little for them to live on.

"Thank God for Obamacare!" his wife exclaimed.


Now, thanks to the subsidy for which they qualify, the Richardsons only pay $136 a month for health insurance that covers them both.


thanks PS

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
28. I'll say "mission accomplished" when we have Medicare for all
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

but I will say yes to the ACA and am relieved that my family is covered. This is a huge, positive move forward.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
61. I love your posts, ProSense. The links are good and always produce even more than expected.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:58 PM
Mar 2014

You've educated me more than once and I rarely disagree with your conclusions.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
34. K & R
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

There is nothing positive coming from the corporate media. MSM always reporting negative about Dems but nothing about GOPs. GOPs have no good ideals nor a viable alternative, including, Obamacare. GOPers only ammunition is the blame game and lies coupled with tons of money. GOPer trolls are out in full force on every progressive site spewing talking points.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
50. That "Uh... we should be thanking *Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden" thread
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:02 PM
Mar 2014

had me ing. I didn't see that thread until just today, but I was (somewhat) amazed that such a misguided post got over 100 recs on here. Luckily, a handful of DUers set the OP straight on that thread.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
76. It's almost
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014

like "la la la....I can't hear you" on the outrage threads whenever you and others give people the links and quotes to check out.

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