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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:17 PM Mar 2014

Robert Reich on Obamacare: It’s Working Despite Misinformation

It’s Working Despite Misinformation

Robert Reich, the secretary of labor in the Clinton administration, is Chancellor's professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley and the co-creator of the film "Inequality for All."

Early indications are the Affordable Care Act is working. With less than two weeks remaining before the March 31 deadline for coverage this year, five million people have already signed up. After decades of rising percentages of Americans lacking health insurance, the uninsured rate has dropped to its lowest levels since 2008...health care costs have slowed dramatically. The new law may well be contributing to this slowdown by reducing Medicare overpayments to medical providers and private insurers, and creating incentives for hospitals and doctors to improve quality of care.

But a lot about the Affordable Care Act needs fixing – especially the widespread confusion and misinformation that continues to surround it. For example, a majority of business owners with fewer than 50 workers still think they’re required to offer insurance or pay a penalty. (In fact, the law applies only to businesses with 50 or more employees who work more than 30 hours a week). And many companies with fewer than 25 workers still don’t realize that if they offer plans they can qualify for subsidies in the form of tax credits.

Many individuals remain confused and frightened. Forty-one percent of Americans who are still uninsured say they plan to remain that way. They believe it will be cheaper to pay a penalty than buy insurance. Many of these people are unaware of the subsidies available to them. Signups have been particularly disappointing among Hispanics.

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But even here, remedies could evolve. States might use their state-run exchanges to funnel so many applicants to a single, low-cost insurer that the insurer becomes, in effect, a single payer. Vermont is already moving in this direction, and California may be next. In this way, the Affordable Care Act could become a back door to a single-payer system – every conservative’s worst nightmare.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/20/obamacares-four-year-checkup/the-affordable-care-act-is-working-despite-misinformation

Obamacare: It's Obama's signature achievement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024695694

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Robert Reich on Obamacare: It’s Working Despite Misinformation (Original Post) ProSense Mar 2014 OP
Naw we need 150 rec post that basically lies about ACA and hates Obama uponit7771 Mar 2014 #1
Kick! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #2
K&R for Blue Link Propaganda Partnering with Reich! Whisp Mar 2014 #3
Glad to see you support Robert Reich for president. Would have thought you a Clinton-Sachs rhett o rick Mar 2014 #4
Why don't you find some of my other comments and attach that. ProSense Mar 2014 #5
Robert Reich for president. I could live with that. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #9
Because ignorant deflecting is what they do. Cha Mar 2014 #28
Here, let me help: ProSense Mar 2014 #7
I have given up following your link maps. I appreciate you support Reich. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #8
She was the single most critical Clinton hater in '08. joshcryer Mar 2014 #10
LOL! Not "hater" ProSense Mar 2014 #11
Uh huh, you'll get to "Clinton Critique" all over again! joshcryer Mar 2014 #14
Yeah! rhett o rick Mar 2014 #15
It'll be fun seeing her fan club come back. joshcryer Mar 2014 #17
There is nothing wrong with the links. But when one blasts the links in a post rhett o rick Mar 2014 #21
No one is ProSense Mar 2014 #27
and, exactly who gives a shite that he's "tired".. Cha Mar 2014 #29
I want the old system back steve2470 Mar 2014 #6
I find posts like this to be childish. If you have an opinion, have the fortitude to state it rhett o rick Mar 2014 #16
hm ok steve2470 Mar 2014 #18
I agree with your first three sentences. It's just my opinion but I have seen rhett o rick Mar 2014 #19
You are hostile steve2470 Mar 2014 #20
I find your posts to be hostile. Passive aggressively hostile. Let me know when you want to discuss rhett o rick Mar 2014 #22
You didn't ProSense Mar 2014 #26
Everything in your post is projection. "The comment wasn't directed at you so challenging the person rhett o rick Mar 2014 #30
Do you ProSense Mar 2014 #32
My objection is that you guys cant have an honest discussion without ridicule and mocking sarcasm. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #37
"You guys" ProSense Mar 2014 #38
You cant be series? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #39
Fucking time wasting.. but, hey he's kicking this thread on Robert Reich: "It's Working Cha Mar 2014 #34
I find your post damn funny.. it's upsetting the right person. Cha Mar 2014 #31
:) steve2470 Mar 2014 #33
Because he's "hostile" and confrontational if something makes him "tired".. Cha Mar 2014 #35
K & R! Iliyah Mar 2014 #12
It doesn't help albino65 Mar 2014 #13
Yup! Case ProSense Mar 2014 #23
Health Insurance Companies cynzke Mar 2014 #24
He's a smart man. He makes good sense. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #25
Yes, Julie.. "Disinformation".. i.e. Bloody Lies.. Cha Mar 2014 #36
K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #40
I have actually met a Conservative who claims the ACA was the Republican respose to "Obamacare".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #41
LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #42
Many of the positive/compassionate repercussions of this Act are yet to be realised!! hue Mar 2014 #43
The fact that the ACA is working pisses off all who hate Democrats Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #44
The distortions are everywhere. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #45
Fuck all the bickering. beerandjesus Mar 2014 #46

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
1. Naw we need 150 rec post that basically lies about ACA and hates Obama
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:24 PM
Mar 2014

... That's what gets passes around here as facts not these ....non lies <----- /sarcasm

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. Glad to see you support Robert Reich for president. Would have thought you a Clinton-Sachs
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:42 PM
Mar 2014

supporter.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
10. She was the single most critical Clinton hater in '08.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 09:29 PM
Mar 2014

If Clinton runs you can expect ProSense to be a super critic.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. There is nothing wrong with the links. But when one blasts the links in a post
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:00 PM
Mar 2014

that doesnt pertain to the OP, that's too much. And I get tired of the links with no opinion, no statements, just apparent insinuation.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. No one is
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

"And I get tired of the links with no opinion, no statements, just apparent insinuation."

...forcing you into these threads. If you're "tired" of them, ignore them.


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. I find posts like this to be childish. If you have an opinion, have the fortitude to state it
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:50 PM
Mar 2014

and quit the petty garbage.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
18. hm ok
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:52 PM
Mar 2014

The ACA is better than the old system. It needs to be tweaked, badly. We need single payer, STAT.

I'm sure you don't agree with me. YMMV. Sarcasm is my way of coping with things at times. I find your approach to me rather hostile. Capiche ?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. I agree with your first three sentences. It's just my opinion but I have seen
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:58 PM
Mar 2014

too many of the posts like your, they seem to be exploding. There is nothing wrong with sarcasm, but your post, IMO, was insinuating that others thought as you posted. I can understand that you think that anyone that might disagree with your methods as being "hostile". Apparently you've never seen hostile.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
20. You are hostile
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:59 PM
Mar 2014

I said absolutely nothing to you. Feel free to be hostile to others. I'm not here to accept your hostility. Bye.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. I find your posts to be hostile. Passive aggressively hostile. Let me know when you want to discuss
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:03 PM
Mar 2014

issues without the garbage.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. You didn't
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

"Passive aggressively hostile. Let me know when you want to discuss issues without the garbage."

...have to respond to the poster's comment. It was sarcasm, and it's not the poster's fault you don't get it or like it. The comment wasn't directed at you so challenging the person to a discussion based on it is pretty silly.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. Everything in your post is projection. "The comment wasn't directed at you so challenging the person
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:14 PM
Mar 2014

to a discussion based on it is pretty silly." Isnt that exactly what you are doing here? You werent part of this discussion.

And "it's not the poster's fault you don't get it or like it." You spend an inordinate number of posts explaining why you dont like what someone says.

My comment is that the post stating, "I want the old way back." is a childish way to participate in a discussion. I get the sarcasm, and I get who he is mocking with it.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
32. Do you
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
Mar 2014
My comment is that the post stating, "I want the old way back." is a childish way to participate in a discussion. I get the sarcasm, and I get who he is mocking with it.

..."get" why someone might not care about your objection to sarcasm?


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. My objection is that you guys cant have an honest discussion without ridicule and mocking sarcasm.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:30 PM
Mar 2014

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
38. "You guys"
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:35 PM
Mar 2014

WTF are you talking about?

You pick someone's sarcastic comment, jumped all over it and now are making sweeping nonsensical broadbrush accusation about some some imaginary group.

Cha

(297,191 posts)
34. Fucking time wasting.. but, hey he's kicking this thread on Robert Reich: "It's Working
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
Mar 2014

Despite Misinformation..".. so take that Misinformers.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
33. :)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
Mar 2014

If someone doesn't care for my sarcasm, why confront me ? Interesting. Even more interesting that my sarcasm was directed at the OP, not anyone else.

Have a good evening, Cha !

Cha

(297,191 posts)
35. Because he's "hostile" and confrontational if something makes him "tired"..
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:20 PM
Mar 2014

I'm gonna have a good day out here in Hawai'i, steve. You have a good evening~

 

albino65

(484 posts)
13. It doesn't help
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:33 PM
Mar 2014

That millions upon millions of dollars are being spent to confuse and disorient the consumer regarding the ACA. Healthcare is a bumpy road to maneuver even if you are well versed in the subject. Add the bullshit from the right and it can be a nightmare. People who have been without healthcare for decades will have a lot more issues than someone who has had it all along. They finally see some hope and are worrying about what treatments they can get to alleviate pain, or some condition they have had for years. Then they tune into the TV and see some advertisement that degrades the ACA and leaves them more concerned than ever. They read the news that some right wing turd wants to change the playing field before they even get in the game. It ought to be against the law for those assholes to even get any airtime denigrating an act that is the law of the land. They are causing irreparable harm to people and may even be killing some directly or indirectly. They need to be called out for that.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. Yup! Case
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
Mar 2014

"It doesn't help (t)hat millions upon millions of dollars are being spent to confuse and disorient the consumer regarding the ACA."

...in point:

The real goal of all those anti-Obamacare ads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024702414

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
24. Health Insurance Companies
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:04 PM
Mar 2014

are nothing more than glorified bookkeepers. We pay them to pay our medicals bills from the pool of premium they collect from us. But then they got too greedy, designing policies that cover as little as possible and claims departments dedicated to finding ways to deny claim payouts. They rigged the system to line their pockets. And ACA was the necessary response. Everyone agrees sanctions were needed. But the problem with ACA is that it still keeps a for-profit business between you and your healthcare. Those high deductibles are gifts to the insurance company. The idea of deductibles was to discourage people from seeking unnecessary medical treatment. Now insurance companies use deductibles to increase their profit margins. ACA took away some of their favorite toys, pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps and in return, allows the insurance companies to load up front these large deductibles. Why should we have to subsidize insurance companies with a deductible when we already pay them a premium. Get rid of the insurance companies and eliminate deductibles. Its a racket and shakedown.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
25. He's a smart man. He makes good sense.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:01 PM
Mar 2014

I would make one correction, it's disinformation, not misinformation. Those bastard Rethugs are lying and misleading the public by design. Sadly they get lots of help from those who should know better~~who claim to be on our side...

Julie

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
40. K&R
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 05:29 AM
Mar 2014

Millions of people are getting needed health care, and that's not chump change. It's going to take a while for all the kinks to be ironed out, but the program is going to save and IS saving lives here in America. And hopefully it's just the first step toward someday achieving universal health care for all of our citizens.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
41. I have actually met a Conservative who claims the ACA was the Republican respose to "Obamacare"....
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 06:06 AM
Mar 2014

He says that's why the ACA is working and "Obamacare" isn't.

hue

(4,949 posts)
43. Many of the positive/compassionate repercussions of this Act are yet to be realised!!
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 11:29 AM
Mar 2014

Just the tremendous amt of effort waged from the RW Re/Teapukes against the ACA is proof of how important this Act truly is! The private insurance companies are parasitic on the sick & dying!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
44. The fact that the ACA is working pisses off all who hate Democrats
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

It's driving them mad, they can't stop it.


They even let their anger tip their hand and expose their real agenda.


It isn't all going to crash and burn so the Utopia arises from the ashes. It's working. Really pisses them off. They were wrong, yet again.

The rest of us are trying like hell to fix what we have instead of throwing our hands in the air and giving up.




beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
46. Fuck all the bickering.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:29 AM
Mar 2014

This is good news. I, too, hope we get single-payer some day, but in the mean time, this is damn good news.


And for what it's worth, we're seeing positive movement here in South Carolina too--it's not just California and Vermont.

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