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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:19 PM Mar 2014

It's all #%^*ing Truman's fault

Our Third Way friends are yammering that some "moderate" Democrats were replaced by Republicans because of Kos and the rest of us FDR Democrats.

Bull#%^*.

They got replaced because of Harry Truman's rule:

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”

Two-thirds of Americans favor almost any Liberal policy you can name - even most Republicans favor Medicare for All. You cannot #%^*ing tell me that running against stuff that two-thirds of Americans favor is a winning strategy.

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It's all #%^*ing Truman's fault (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP
Who was replaced by a republican? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1
Blue Dogs got their butts kicked in 2010 Warpy Mar 2014 #2
I thought it was a massive GOTV failure hootinholler Mar 2014 #7
Well I can assure you that I'll never fuck him again. Kurovski Mar 2014 #3
Here is Truman expressing ProSense Mar 2014 #4
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #5
Kick. Scuba Mar 2014 #6
You know, seriously PDittie Mar 2014 #8

Warpy

(111,397 posts)
2. Blue Dogs got their butts kicked in 2010
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:36 AM
Mar 2014

because of their opposition to the ACA, the first reform of health care that had ever gotten past the committee. Democrats didn't vote for them again, Independents and Republicans voted for the Republican.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
3. Well I can assure you that I'll never fuck him again.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:27 AM
Mar 2014

And I've already stated that the time in Poughkeepsie was a terrible mistake.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Here is Truman expressing
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:35 AM
Mar 2014

his regret for having failed at health care reform:

<...>

By mid-1951 the AMA was openly claiming victory, and President Truman acknowledged as much when he omitted the proposal from his 1952 state of the Union message. Instead, he announced the establishment of a Commission on the Health Needs of the Nation to study the problem. In the presidential election that year, the Democratic candidate, Adlai E. Stevenson (who replaced the retiring President as the party's standard bearer, skirted the issue of Government health insurance. On the other hand, the winner, Dwight D. Eisenhower, voiced strong opposition to the proposal, ensuring that the new administration would not soon revive it.

In sum, the Wagner-Murray-Dingell bill was the victim of a cautious Congress, massive resistance by a prestigious and vitally affected interest group, sympathy for the AMA's position from an imposing array of nonmedical groups, a lack of wholehearted support from some of the key proponents, considerable antipathy from the press, the rapid growth of private insurance, and, finally, of a hostile political climate. (12)

Years later, President Truman wrote: "I have had some bitter disappointments as President, but the one that has troubled me most, in a personal way, has been the failure to defeat the organized opposition to a National compulsory health insurance program. But this opposition has only delayed and cannot stop the adoption of an indispensable Federal health insurance plan."

http://www.ssa.gov/history/corningchap3.html

President Obama ensured that significant legislation passed, and the opposition "cannot stop the adoption of an indispensable Federal health insurance plan."

Obamacare: It's Obama's signature achievement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024695694

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
5. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:34 AM
Mar 2014

Third Way is all about making us believe things that are not true.

The first big lie is that they are really Democrats and not Republicans masquerading as Democrats.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
8. You know, seriously
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:44 AM
Mar 2014

When I watched Oliver Stone's "Untold History" and saw how Henry Wallace got hosed out of the vice presidency in 1944, I remember thinking that was the moment the regular working people lost this nation to the corporations. I didn't realize what a stooge and a tool Truman had been before that, either.

Jesse Jones, FDR's Secretary of Commerce who feuded with Wallace during WWII and worked behind the scenes with other businessmen at that convention to undermine his re-election for vice president, got his payback in '45 when FDR named Wallace commerce secretary... shoving the conservative, pro-business Jones right out the door. By 1948, Jones had become a Republican. At a time (even in Texas) when that was not a popular thing at all to do.

So yeah, fuck Truman... and fuck all conservative Democrats for the last 70 years.

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