Everytime I see a rape victim made out to be a/the villain, my belief that rape culture exists

[stevenleser]

is reinforced.

[etherealtruth]

1. Without doubt n/t

[one_voice]

2. Absolutely.

[upaloopa]

3. I am not disagreeing with you .

I wonder why you posted the OP.
I don't think anyone here would disagree and we've had this discussion here over and over.
I don't question your right to make the OP
I would like to know what is your intention?
Maybe you want support or maybe you just want to talk out loud I don't know.
I get curious because some topics are posted over and over you know what they are.
Maybe you think people here disagree with you and you enjoy a fight I don't know.

[stevenleser]

4. There are two OPs right now that are challenging this idea.

I wanted to make my position clear.

[upaloopa]

7. What do the two OP's say

Do they say there is no rape culture? I haven't seen them but then maybe I have them on ignore.

[stevenleser]

10. Here they are. I am not judging the people who posted the OPs. Perhaps they were just for comment

or to make us aware that folks were saying such things. But the fact that these were out there made me feel the need to post this OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4702462

http://www.democraticunderground.com/111413536

[Sheldon Cooper]

14. I have both of those people on ignore, so I missed all the usual crap.

Thanks for posting the links.

[redqueen]

16. Interesting. nt

[AngryAmish]

25. Please read my op.

It clearly states who is writing that crap and their motivation.

[stevenleser]

26. As I said, I am not questioning your intentions and would rather not try to divine them.

I am happy to let my OP speak for itself along with my freely given admission that yours was one of two OPs that prompted it.

[JI7]

5. i think your post is an example of why he made the thread

[upaloopa]

6. Did you see where I said I don't disagree?

[freeplessinseattle]

8. Exactly what I was thinking lol

So predictable too, almost wonder if there's a mra bot that writes these things, like that earthquake report robot.

[Kild the Radio Star]

29. Mr Pesci?

Man, I love your work!

[redqueen]

9. I continue to be amazed that any liberal / progressive person, for whatever reason,

still doesn't recognize it.

Well, maybe "amazed" is too strong a word. Either way, it is very sad how loud women have to scream in order to be heard.

[Nye Bevan]

11. A DUer "made a rape victim out to be a villain"?

I missed that thread. That is appalling.

[stevenleser]

12. No, at least not that I am aware, but see my #10 above. Rape Culture as a concept was challenged.

that is what prompted this OP. The two OP's I linked there.

[Doctor_J]

24. Well, no, but don't let that fact throw water on this thread

[Ohio Joe]

13. DU welcomes rape culture

Juries don't hide when people openly agree with right wing talking points on misogyny and Admins don't ban for it.

[Squinch]

20. DU also welcomes posters who consistently have no other purpose than to insult women.

[Lunacee_2013]

15. Ever noticed that if a women with money, and thus privilege,

is ever outed as a rape/abuse victim, the amount of sympathy goes way down for her? As if having money fixes the trauma of abuse. And while I'm sure not having that money would be even worse (lack of care, no money for therapy, etc.) that still does not make it right to go after a rich abuse victim. Ever see the Internet hate machine ramp up when a rich mans wife alleges abuse, even if she has proof? It's fucking creepy.

[Rex]

17. I don't need more evidence, I KNOW rape culture exists.

It is a global crisis that many will ignore.

[Iris]

18. Ugh. Got side-tracked from this thread and ended up commenting in one of those threads.

But thanks or trying to keep the opposing view visible (and why understanding that there is or could be such a thing as rape culture is the "opposing view" on DU is disturbing beyond words to me).

[Squinch]

21. Wait till you see the anti-choice threads. Now there's an opposing view for a liberal site.

[redqueen]

22. Yep.

But DU isn't a hostile place for feminists, not at all.

[Squinch]

23. No it isn't at all. It is just that we don't understand. They are all the REAL feminists, because

they don't beat their wives and girlfriends.

It is we who are not real feminists. And they read about psychology once, so they know all about what is really wrong with the women on DU who call themselves feminists.

[redqueen]

27. You reminded me of this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4697931

[Squinch]

31. I had to look at the date of that post to make sure that it wasn't from the 1860's.

I am guessing that is one of the self-deluded gems who insists that, "No, really, I don't hate women. I am always chivalrous and kind and considerate of all the women in my life. It's just a puzzle to me why they don't last in my life very long. They are all probably just mentally ill."

No doubt he knows all about hysteria. He took a psychology class in college. He knows that the definition of hysteria is, "A woman who strongly disagrees with me." He is pretty sure it has to do with the untethered uterus syndrome which makes women absolutely ungovernable. Also, it make it so that the afflicted women are promoted over him at work, which is sure proof of those women's mental illness.

[William769]

19. Kick & recommended.

[stevenleser]

32. I am touched by your impression that I have solutions that can move the entire culture of the world

let me say that right off.

I suppose I could come up with suggestions if given enough time. But in the meantime, let's just say that the first steps in solving an issue is to admit there is one and identify it.

[stevenleser]

34. Your concern is noted. nt

[uppityperson]

35. Saying it exists is indeed just the first step. What steps do you think could be taken?

Or do you not think there is such a thing?


1. Acknowledge there is a problem
2. Assess, identify different parts of the problem
3. Figure out what to do about the different parts.
4. Reassess, modify as needed.

2. Viewing women as bodies not people. Peer pressure. Cultural views. Ignorance. Just plain cussedness. Fear. Broad tolerance of "boys will be boys and girls are sluts asking for it".

This could include education on an individual and/or cultural level including all levels in between.
This could include educating law enforcement on proper ways of handling raped people.
This could include educating media.
This could include promoting viewing other people as people not as sex objects as well as addressing what rape is.
This could include passing laws addressing rape.
This could include movies such as The Accused shown at colleges, high schools, middle schools. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094608/
This could include having the media not treat rape as a sideshow to sell papers with.

[alp227]

30. THANK YOU! Exhibit A: JAMEIS WINSTON!

I won't even try to link to the various sites that make all sorts of BS claims about "oh the victim was a cleat chaser and is out to screw him over for money!"