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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo matter what happens in the Hobby Lobby case. I urge you to start boycotting this place.
Thanks.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I might go back if they drop Viagra coverage for unmarried men.
Nah, not even then.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)of their religious beliefs.
And so, by giving unmarried men Viagra, they are helping them have sex, and therefore going against their religion ... which they claim they can't do.
The fact that they don't have a problem covering Viagra for unmarried men tells me they don't take their religion seriously, and so their case should be thrown out.
Scairp
(2,749 posts)I don't shop there, and after I heard about how they impose their religious beliefs on female employees I decided I would NEVER go there, no matter how desperately I needed a floral wreath.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Faux Americana is not a style
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)I avoid that place like the plague, and not just because of the creepy religious music the pipe in on the sound system. I cringe at the complete utter waste of our precious natural resources that are used to make a lot of that garbage they sell. I can't believe people actually put that crap in their homes.
My only other option for arts and crafts supplies is Walmart, and I'd rather go there than HL ANY DAY. And, I avoid Walmart as much as possible, too. And, while Walmart has a smaller selection of things, especially knitting and crocheting supplies, they're still way cheaper.
flygal
(3,231 posts)I couldn't stand going there to pick up craft supplies. It was so massive full of the same crap I was trying to unload at garage sales and goodwill. We've been major declutterers for years and that store was where I had my first "omg I can't buy anymore crap - my house looks like this".
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)Hobby Lobby actually pays their employees very well, compared to similar businesses. Causing stores to close due to boycotts will lead to the loss of jobs of people who probably won't be able to find similar-paying employment, and probably won't hurt the Green family at all. So--not a good idea.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)and allow them to increase employment. Your premise is false. Boycotting businesses who act in ways we do not approve of us a perfectly good idea and exactly what we should do as consumers in a capitalist economy.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)$8,9 & 10 an hour for the average, non-managerial position. I'm in no position to say whether this pay-scale is very good or not.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Hobby-Lobby-Salaries-E7537.htm
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)$14/hour, which is very good for retail.
They_Live
(3,241 posts)not mine for boycotting. I told them as much more than once in my communications with them.
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)it wouldn't hurt them a bit. It WOULD hurt the employees, many of whom may need their jobs.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)to boycott.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)health care.
Same with any business that puts politics, discrimination or religion over their- employees personal life choices. Hobby Lobby is pretty easy to stay away from and the owner alone- promoted their healthcare issue. The loss of business is the owners fault.
Their employees are not supposed to be slaves forced to do what the ma-ssa wants.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)One just opened not too far away. Won't be going.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,199 posts)Apparently, they're nationwide, but I had never seen a single store of theirs. Since the court case, it looks like one might be opening up a couple of miles from my home in an old department store, but nothing's happened yet.
From what I can gather, they're kind of like Michael's, which I never had much use for, so I doubt I'd even shop there regardless of politics.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)However, whenever I am near one I walk through it. What I have observed... I rarely see a male shopper and have never seen a male associate.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Don't plan on ever going back.
wandy
(3,539 posts)they proved to be complete religious right wing wackos.
Sure I would stop doing business with them for this if lack of customer respect had not already taken them off of the list.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts). . . and I'm gonna "spend" those twenty-five bucks on art supplies because, no matter what happens in the court case, I'm grateful for the gift.
crazylikafox
(2,762 posts)so if you don't use the gift card, the "gift" will be to Hobby Lobby. Go for it!
tanyev
(42,622 posts)and I had the hardest time finding anything I wanted to buy with it. But then, I'm not into crafts or anything like that. I think I finally picked up some candy in front of the checkout registers.
EC
(12,287 posts)Their "discount" pricing looked dishonest to me, so I never went back after first visit.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)DU? Or did you mean the place.
blue sky at night
(3,242 posts)consider it done! Thanks for the post.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)just Michael's, but since I'm not very crafty, I don't frequent it either.
Leith
(7,813 posts)There is a JoAnne Shop and several Michael's craft stores close. And they are open on Sunday.
The one time I went into the local Hobby Lobby, I was afraid to touch anything because all of the stuff they had looked like it would fall apart in a slight breeze. Even without looking closely, the poor quality (like poorly stained wood) was obvious. Every piece of furniture on display wobbled.
haele
(12,681 posts)Over the years, Hobby Lobby has devolved into a Michaels that went out on a date with a Radio Shack, and brought in the model section from a local Target to chaperon.
And sadly, since 2000 (about when I quit even walking into the local Hobby Lobby and looking around), I've noticed their floor people have pretty much the same craft and hobby training as an employee of JoAnnes or Michaels; they don't look for experienced craftspeople or hobby enthusiasts to hire, they look for home-keepers and college kids (and maybe the occasional retiree) who are willing to work for retail wages, (even if they are a bit higher than the average).
Their store hours and number of store locations certainly don't give them an advantage over Michaels, Radio Shack, or Target, so if the local craft or hobby store was closed and I needed something that could be gotten at any of the other stores, Hobby Lobby can easily be avoided.
They might possibly have an advantage if I somehow urgently needed craft yarn, cheap balsa wood, clay, tile chips, an RC car and some model paint at 4pm on a Wednesday and they happened to be located in a strip mall down the block and across the street.
Maybe.
And they certainly don't have the right to tell their employees what sorts of medical procedures their doctors can prescribe them.
It's really stupid of them to insist on it. If they get the right to keep their employees from receiving any sort of legitimate medical care, then they're liable for any complications, injury, or death that might be caused from not getting it. Can a bereaved spouse sue Hobby Lobby because the wife could not afford the abortion on her own and she died of sepsis/toxic shock when she finally miscarried the dead fetus at 20 weeks?
One's personal religious rights do not trump any of the rights of others. A corporation or business is not the same as a private club; and despite some of the most contentious parts of the Citizens United ruling, a corporation or business still does not have the same rights as an individual.
If a corporate "religious" right beats the rights of their employees, what's to keep a corporation from forcing anyone they hire from giving up their own legal and personal rights?
I can see it right now - Supreme Court narrowly allows religious exemption from laws and mandates in May, 2014. It's now middle of July, 2016, in a private equity corporation boardroom:
"Gentlemen, our yearly projection is not on track, and Lamas Night is coming up pretty soon. We're going to have to implement our crisis plan to see if we can get this turned around by the next quarter, or heads will have to roll in November.
Time to check HR to find someone who meets our corporate requirements for this year's John Barleycorn..."
- or -
"Welcome to your 11'o'clock news local wrap-up.
Next on a local earlier news follow-up regarding the four employees found stoned to death in a major retail store parking lot after a sunrise store team-building event this morning. After being reported by a mall security guard, the [Major retail Chain store] employees were immediately held for questioning.
The store manger, employees, and the local corporate representative all immediately claimed religious protection from responsibility and prosecution for the deaths, citing 'religiously unlawful carnal activity on premises required punishment as called out in [FITB Holy Text] to be immediately initiated for those religious crimes'.
The [Major retail Chain store] legal representatives immediately petitioned the County Superior Court, which ordered the police to recover physical and DNA evidence that verified the alleged carnal activity occurred, and to have that evidence processed on an emergency basis as evidence of justification for the religious extra-judicial punishment exemption approved by state voters and passed into law three months ago.
All parties to the stoning were released by 6 this evening, and [major retail store] owner's representatives claimed this to be a Righteous Outcome to protect the retail chain's Freedom of Religious Practice."
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I've had to interact with fundies of all ilks for a long time. The majority have no problems with participating in capital punishment or human sacrifice so long as:
1) those acts can be displayed as brownie points from GAWD, because it's always a sign of grace for fundies to be holier than thou, and
2) it doesn't happen to them or their immediate family members and friends - well, at least the people they're not currently pissed at.
Haele
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I am extremely tolerant to others' religion, often defending people of faith to family and friends. I have absolutely no problem with it. But anyone who uses their religion for marketing purposes is a signal that something shady is going on. It usually means the employees have to listen to some sanctimonious bullshit and their private lives are somehow being judged/restricted. I worked for Nordstrom through college and that was enough, thank you. "Family Values" is also another big red flag.
I have rarely met more dishonest business people than the ones who lectured me about how "Christian" they were. That bluster always is a cover for something. If you're an honest broker, it's pretty clear, you do not need to protest too much. Be more like Jimmy Carter, do your good works and don't advertise.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)They_Live
(3,241 posts)What? Did I miss something?
City Lights
(25,171 posts)hlthe2b
(102,378 posts)and any other notorious RW establishment trying to push their "will" on everyone else.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)I suggest no foul language and reasoned presentation of your opposition. I think we accomplish little when we sound like abusive Freepers.
PennyK
(2,302 posts)I'm a sewer and crafter, and I did use them for a few essential supplies, but I went cold turkey about 6 months ago.
tea and oranges
(396 posts)This was many months ago. I wrote them a letter explaining my decision to boycott. One of their lawyers wrote back explaining that the ACA infringed upon Mr Lobby's religious rights. I wrote back asking lawyer to explain the inconsistency that HL is incorporated, thereby putting a legal shield between Mr Lobby, his fee-fees, & corporate practices. I never did get a response back! Odd, that.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)When I read about an employee in some state that they did not have any Hanukah decorations, because "we do not cater to you people.". That was enough for me. This just verifies it.,
MFM008
(19,820 posts)where our beloved K Mart ( where my Dad, Mom and sister worked at one point) was in Lakewood WA. Not far is good old 'Michaels'. Where I will continue to give my buisness. No conservative religious run stores when a good old standard sits a stone throw away.
SCREW YOU GOP LOBBY.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Besides, their stock is awful. I usually go to Michael's.
Pakid
(478 posts)Religion needs to stay out of a person life unless they want to invite it in. And then it should be limited to that persons life with no attempt to impose itself on anyone else
proReality
(1,628 posts)I used to be there once a week for art supplies. Now I order from art suppliers online and will never go back to Hobby Lobby.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Step Two: Boycott Hobby Lobby.
Seriously, I've never been in the joint, so I'm pretty sure they're not going to miss my business. ON THE OTHER HAND, they do seem like a pack of howling douche bags, and I certainly encourage people who need extra glue sticks to buy them somewhere else.
tosh
(4,424 posts)"Wayyyyy Overpriced Made-In-China Crap Emporium".
I checked it out one time and that's all it took.
If I want that kind of stuff, I'd rather go to a Michael's - at least they sell real art supplies and they're much less overpriced.
But I'll gladly continue my boycott
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Gawd awful place filled with overpriced plastic Chinese junk anyway.
The only thing I ever bought from them was fabric anyway.
They'll never see another dime of my money, though. Nor my daughter, who is an artist and spends a great deal of money on paints, acrylics, canvas, brushes and the like.
Not. One. Dime.
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)but it can't be that hard to find them elsewhere -- Preferably a local mom-and-pop, if I can find one.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)or heard of it before all the bruha ha ha ha ha...
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)But no clue on their politics. Im guessing they are apolitical.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)aznativ
(69 posts)A big deal about it so that HL.can be even more profitable. Chick fil a had a 12% surge in profit as a result of the last round of punishment that was organised . All a boycott would do is draw the repubs out in force and they will empty the shelves.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)I do a lot of arts and crafts, but the stuff they sell is poor quality, especially the fabrics. The quilting fabric quality is really poor.
I stopped shopping there when the emerald ash borer started showing up near our ports. It is an insect from China and it rides over in the cheap wooden crap Hobby Lobby sells, along with many other corporations. Our entire population of ash tree species are being destroyed by the emerald ash borer. Thanks to the failure of the federal government to put a stop to bringing in this crap. This environmental disaster was facilitated by the failure of the Bush administration to take any action, except for the idiotic "do not move fire wood" effort. I do not buy any wooden item from Asia, due to the insect issue. We also have the Asian long horned beetle coming in that attacks many hardwood species, now. These greedy corporations bring in these invasive insects because they are too cheap to build this stuff here. We are in the process of destroying our native hardwood forests, just so retailers can make more profits, without cutting down any trees.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Takket
(21,634 posts)Saw a sign on the door the first time they opened one of these near my home that said "closed on Sunday." I read further "So our employees can observe the Sabbath". Didn't take long to figure out what they were all about, and I never set foot in the place and I never will.