President Obama gets accused of a lot of shit by some really inept people. Well they can add this

[William769]

To their list of OMG! he did it again or... he such a bad fucking president!

BREAKING: Obama admin to recognize Michigan same-sex marriages

The marriages of same-sex couples who wed in Michigan when marriage equality was briefly allowed in the state will be recognized for federal purposes, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced on Friday.

“I have determined that the same-sex marriages performed last Saturday in Michigan will be recognized by the federal government,” Holder said. “These families will be eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages.”

More than 300 same-sex couples wed in Michigan on Saturday after U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman struck down the state’s 2004 ban on same-sex marriages. But after Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and Attorney General Bill Schuette appealed the decision and requested a stay, the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals indefinitely halted the weddings pending appeal of the lawsuit.

Snyder announced the marriages were legal under state law, but couples will receive no state benefits until the stay is lifted. As they criticized Snyder for withholding the state benefits, Democratic members of Michigan’s federal delegation to Congress called on the Obama administration to deem the marriages valid for the purposes of federal recognition.

In his statement announcing the decision, Holder noted a similar situation in which he deemed same-sex marriages performed in Utah were valid in the eyes of the Obama administration.

“For purposes of federal law, as I announced in January with respect to similarly situated same-sex couples in Utah, these Michigan couples will not be asked to wait for further resolution in the courts before they may seek federal benefits to which they are entitled,” Holder said.

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/03/28/breaking-obama-admin-recognize-michigan-sex-marriages/

One thing I have noticed about people that have a problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes and can kiss my all American rainbow colored ass! And yes there is a "Gay agenda" it's called equality.

P.S. To any DU jury that gets empaneled for this OP, I am speaking in general terms. You never know around this place anymore.

[upaloopa]

1. It's the law what the hell else would he do?

[msanthrope]

91. Actually..it's not the law. It's a decision stayed pending appeal that repeals a law. The DOJ's

decision is not what would normally happen. It's pretty ballsy, legally.

[Cha]

101. Thank you for that.. I was coming back to say something

to that poster but yours is quite enlightening.

As we were saying.. good on AG Holder and Good on Pres Obama.

[okaawhatever]

3. Closer and closer to full marriage equality for our LGBT friends. Good ruling for all of America. nt

[kelliekat44]

63. Yet sadly, some of those raging against the President are gay and work behind the scenes to destroy

many other things Obama has done. I know, because they are in my family.

[okaawhatever]

65. Well like they say, you can't pick your family. I too, don't understand how a gay person could be a

Republican, but since I'm not gay I just assume it is something I can't understand. But don't get me wrong, I don't understand it. I would think the way Republicans have treated LGBT would stop any of them from supporting the party.

[AlbertCat]

66. I just assume it is something I can't understand.

Every gay repug I know literally fit into one of 3 categories:

1) They are rich
2) They are in the closet...at least to their family (which is usually conservative)
3) Both 1 & 2.

[okaawhatever]

68. I agree with your assessment. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

4. What an idiotic thing to say.

"One thing I have noticed about people that have a problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes and can kiss my all American rainbow colored ass!"

[William769]

6. I know the truth hurts. nt

[G_j]

13. except in this

you made it up

[LanternWaste]

32. Conflating opinion and truth whilst projecting words onto other people...

Conflating opinion and truth whilst projecting words onto other people is something my twelve year old niece has outgrown...

However, I'm quite certain you'll rationalize doing so (to yourself, if not to others) as adult behavior and not irrational at all.

[Ed Suspicious]

34. Nope. I feel sorry for you that you would feel that way.

[demwing]

60. Truth, though it may shock, does not hurt

on the other, rank stupidity is acutely painful

[go west young man]

92. You implied I was a homophobe numerous times

in the Russia/Putin/Olympics threads and I am one person who is very happy for these folks getting equal rights that you mention and wish all LGBT equal rights in the USA and around the world. Good for them. I disagreed with you in regards to how to deal with the anti gay laws and Russia during the Olympics. It doesn't make me someone who dislikes gay people. Just thought you should know labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you on an issue (even things related to homosexuality) doesn't truly bolster a cause or argument. Once agin though, good for these citizens and it's a cool thing Obama has helped get done.

[polly7]

148. +10000.

I was also 'implied' to be those ugly things, though no one would actually come out and say the words, winks and allegations were all they could manage. Despite not knowing a single fucking thing about the people in my life. All for saying a whole nation of people shouldn't be judged based on the laws made by those in charge. Pathetic. As are the people who did it. And, I agree that any measure taken that will highlight and help to improve on the injustices for gay and oppressed people everywhere is a great thing.

[cui bono]

97. What truth?

You've seriously lost the plot.

[nadinbrzezinski]

137. William believing such is not necessarily the truth

I know, to use your words, the truth hurts. I have my policy disagreements with the President of the United States. They are principled policy level disagreements like those usually present in a mature democracy between the people and the government. I should remind you that the Government should serve the people and not the other way around. That does not mean that any, or most of the people, you are charging with being homophobes are.

I will use myself as an example, because your charge Sir is false. While you were not yet old enough, I was fighting for mostly men, who were HIV positive, in the not fun years of the 1980s, so they could get needed medical care. It was to the point that I got into screaming matches with the head of a General Hospital in Tijuana a few times. I also educated EMTs and Paramedics in safe medical practices and warned them about biases towards patients. I fired a couple, who refused to treat HIV positive patients. That behavior is not acceptable in any medical system. In fact, I also worked with local activists to get these people the services they needed when they were feared, as cursed with a disease from God.

So I will not ask you for an apology. I fear you are incapable of one. But I ask of you to start to consider your words a tad more carefully. Some of us do have policy disagreements not just with the President, but even with my Mayor. That is what happens in mature democracies. My disagreements have actually to do with things like what we need to reach cost control measures in the medical delivery system, one that is currently failing.

There are a few other aspects where I understand and agree with the policies emerging from the White House, and one in particular that I am shocked Chairman of the Government Oversight Committee, Daryl Issa has not yet exploited. OF course we have our suspicions as to why not and has little to do with principle. But alas that will be for another day, and another series of readings. Right now I am just having fun reading into climate change policy. It is really fun stuff, but hey, some of us have to do this.

[840high]

23. +100

[Supersedeas]

72. So it goes....pompoms and all

[DevineBovine]

78. I Totally Agree Ed S. - Thanks!

It is Obama's neocon-esque and absurdly dangerous foreign policy, as well as his administration's full attack on whistle blowers who are sharing with the American public the details behind the evil, and likely illegal deeds being perpetrated by his NSA -- an out of control monster spreading misery around the globe with our hard earned tax dollars.

The day he announced, with regard to the crimes committed by Bush and company, "we need to move forward", was the day I knew we were in trouble.

As it goes, I'm gay. I couldn't care less about his opinion on gay marriage. I'm more concerned with the suffering directly attributed to corporate imperialism. Besides, Ms. Obvious notes Obama's brave "evolution" on the matter coincided ever so conveniently with the well established and well published upturn in public support for gay marriage.

I had "hope". That hope has faded, only to be replaced with a new hope. My new hope is that my friends and fellow democrats will move beyond hypocritical blind adoration and demand an itinerary that includes righting the wrongs that have been financed by an asleep-at-the-wheel 99%.

Peace

[Ed Suspicious]

79. I am right there with you. :thumbsup:

[BlueCaliDem]

127. Don't tell me. You're a Libertarian.

[DevineBovine]

140. No, I think for myself

Rather than snark, tell me what exactly in my response to Ed is inaccurate.

[BlueCaliDem]

141. That's what Libertarians say.

Fancy that.

Tell me what in my response made you conclude that I believed anything you posted in response to Ed was inaccurate? OR is this just more diversion of the Libertarian kind in order to avoid being asked if they're here, on this Democratic Party supporting site, as a Democrat?

[DevineBovine]

145. I guess you told me!

Given your fondness for labeling, what would you label someone who condemned the issues I raised if the President were GW Bush?

[BlueCaliDem]

146. Yeah. I did. But thanks for pointing out the obvious.

And since you've conveniently overlooked my query to you, I'll repeat it: Tell me what in my response made you conclude that I believed anything you posted in response to Ed was inaccurate? You answer first. Then we can proceed. Deal?

[DevineBovine]

147. Games and insults

Not worth the effort.

Ignore

[City Lights]

80. Idiotic and insulting.

There are many here who agree with President Obama on some things and disagree with him on others. To accuse those DUers of being "raging homophobes" is disgusting.

[Thespian2]

94. Thank you

For exposing an idiotic statement from an uninformed hack.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

119. Thanks for not mincing words. It's so over-the-top it sounds...

downright trollish. And, predictably, cheered on by The BOG. Wheeeeeee!

[BlueCaliDem]

129. As well as, predictably, shot-down

by the Liberaltarians, those "independent" thinking political noobs who can't win a national election if their lives depended on it, don't vote Democratic Party, absolutely HATE President Obama, rarely (if ever) speak a sinful word against Republicans, believe President Obama has a magic wand and is a dictator who can wield it like a scepter to change laws without consulting that bothersome co-equal branch, Congress., and are blind to the 6x10 in Russia-luvin' Snowden and Libertarian Greenwald's eyes but can spot a splinter of a splinter in that of any Democrat, especially this Democratic president.

Before you denigrate the Barack Obama Group with that petty "cheered" remark, maybe you need to be reminded that everyone in that group is actually supportive, not only of this president, but of Democrats. If that bothers you, then you're on the WRONG site. By the way, it would bother a Teabagger and other assorted CONservatives, too.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

132. To borrow from the best...

[BlueCaliDem]

133. Best what?

Sixth grader?

I'd prefer to set my sights higher than that.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

135. Would you now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4751939

A three-fer!

[BlueCaliDem]

142. Yeah, I would and I do.

As you've stated, you've borrowed from the best . . . three times better than you, three grades higher. Thanks for proving my claim.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

143. Say wot, Captain Sensible?

[BlueCaliDem]

144. What's a "wot"?

Good thing you qualified your post with that emoticon.

[cali]

5. I have a lot of problems with President Obama's policies.

A lot.

I am neither a homophobe or a racist in the slightest. I resent anyone making the kind of insinuation you just did. You could have put "some of the people who have a problem with President Obama are raging homophobes". You chose not to.

[William769]

7. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

[840high]

25. Unrec.

[cali]

52. good for you. And I have no intention of kissing your ass, nor do I give a rat's turd

what color is it.

I'm more interested in the comments of people with a modicum of intelligence, sweetums.

[PowerToThePeople]

10. Just trolling for reactions, OP is in my opinion.

OP knows full well that those on this board standing up for their Democratic values are not homophobic (or racists from another OP, or libertarians from others.)

They just toss this crap out there for reaction.

Sad.

[Dustlawyer]

31. Ditto! Obama is socially liberal (great), but

Totally corporate. He has sold us out on many important issues that confirm that the 1% and the corporations run this country. I am all for equal rights for everyone, but our political system is awash in campaign bribes that have supplanted our Representative Democracy. Wolf-PAC.com!!!

[cali]

54. Yes. And I am more and more convinced that being socially liberal while being

profoundly corporate, is a contradiction.

[Ed Suspicious]

95. I think it's a misdirection. A very intentional misdirection that is meant as a convenient cover

for corporatist and neoliberal policy implementation by blue dog and moderate corporate republicans who have found a new use for the religious right as distraction and a means of making a new brand of center-right democrat more palatable to liberals who are less tuned into economics and are hyper attuned to social equality issues. The more I think about it the more I get the sense that wall street could not have found a better method to implement for their self enriching agenda. They can't lose now no matter which party controls the government so long as they have any republican or a socially liberal corprodemocrat. Neoliberal economic policy at all costs seems to be the guiding principle.

[cali]

99. Ed,

I agree. I actually hesitate to write that because I'm not in the mood to be called a racist, homophobic bigot, today. I think what you wrote in your post, depressing as it is, is pretty much spot on. how sad.

[baldguy]

102. But every time you toss Obama under the bus you help those very same homophobes.

[Larry Ogg]

104. My sentiments exactly...

I also believe Obama's leaning to the left on social issues is is nothing more than a facade. A beware of wolves in sheep's clothing / puppet show kind of facade.

But when it gets down to it, his coddling and protecting insanely rich criminals has hurt, and continues to hurt a lot more people than gay rights will ever help, but then what are we to expect from the son of a banker, and the grandson of a banker, and the best friend of banksters all over the world.

And yes gay, women, immigrant rights etc., are all important issues, but they pale in comparison to the problems the above the law criminal elites are causing with Obama's full support and blessing.

[Politicub]

106. Must be nice being in the straight majority

Makes it easier to think about others as faceless abstractions.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

8. You wish to smear anyone who says something bad about Obama, but cover it with "general terms".

Not everyone who has a problem with the President is a homophobe, and that's the bottom line. The addition of the word "some" would have served you well and would have been honest, but you knew that.

Also, learn to deploy commas once in awhile, lest you get people wondering which raging homophobes are being fucked.

[Rex]

12. Wow, good thing I don't have a problem with Obama anymore.

I was somewhat upset with him and the way he handled BP.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. Very shitty post, Bill. Very.

nt

[In_The_Wind]

11. Results of an alert on this OP.

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President Obama gets accused of a lot of shit by some really inept people. Well they can add this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024743178

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The "general terms" that claims people who "have a problem" with the president "are fucking raging homophobes" is over the top and is deeply offensive to gay people who might disagree with the president on some issues while still supporting his work on LGBT matters. The OP's note at the end of this otherwise-useful post makes it hide-worthy.

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[demwing]

64. quot homines tot sententiae

or, "There are as many opinions as there are people"

As it stands, the DU jury system will never work because there are no instructions or guidelines, and no accountability. There are as many ideas on what constitutes the responsibility of a juror, as there are DU members...

[sheshe2]

85. LOL!

Good for the Jury!

[In_The_Wind]

88. yup

[sheshe2]

89. ...

[cui bono]

98. Yet another stellar example of DUers who don't know what it means to be a juror.

[Cha]

103. Thanks for that, In The Wind.

[In_The_Wind]

109. You're welcome, Cha.

[Jamaal510]

115. Somebody actually alerted on this OP?

What the Hell? I don't see anything wrong with it.

[In_The_Wind]

139. I didn't see anything wrong either.

[sufrommich]

14. I'm embarrassed for my state and all the

morons who voted in our conservative house and Senate and all the morons who voted for Snyder because "he's a moderate". Good on Obama.

[gollygee]

22. +1

Snyder did a huge bait and switch, claiming to be a moderate. Hopefully people have smartened up and will heartily vote him out in November. I don't know if he planned it or was pushed that way by the Koch brothers and the Devos crowd.

[SwankyXomb]

37. There are still moderate Republicans.

We know them as Third-Way Democrats.

[BainsBane]

15. I wouldn't call people homophobes

but I have noticed a correlation (not absolute but there is overlap) between those hostile to voices of feminists, people of color, and LBGT Americans and the folks most who most oppose the President and the Democratic party. They seem to imagine themselves as more leftist than others, but I myself see no signs of it.

[gollygee]

19. I agree 100%

There's a group (and I don't know if every anti-Obama person is included but I don't think so) that appears to be not at all progressive in a number of areas - racism, sexism, homophobia, and Obama. One group of people who share all of the same opinions on those issues. A lot of them are pro guns too.

[Rex]

20. I notice they makes very offensive blanket statements.

nt.

[William769]

21. I agree with your assesment.

But also as I stated I was speaking in General terms. All you have to do is look at the right wing play book to see what I am talking about.

[SunsetDreams]

48. Kind of like this?

Ron Paul Supporters Try Brainwashing Democrats...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023152339

An excellent post within that OP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023152339#post11

The term 'Ratfucking' and how it applies to Obama and Democrats

'Ratfucking' is a method the GOP began during the Nixon era and consistently after that time. Since they have the money to fund pundits to do this for them, it will continue. Beware.

The practice has won the right many victories for them and very effective in causing Democrats to abandon their candidates and their party.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110215862

[Whisp]

57. Absolutely spot on! n/t

[Number23]

83. Exactly. Dismissive and blind to all of society's ills except those created by the Third Way

And convinced that the only "ism" that matters is classism. And they wonder why so few people of color, women and gays want anything to do with them.

[BainsBane]

93. Only if they were so concerned with class

Why would they so cavalierly announce they weren't going to vote or that the GOP and Dems are the same? What about all the folks that are likely to lose food assistance and medical care under a Republican government?

[tkmorris]

16. Oh fer chrissake...

Not helping. Not helping at all.

[Newsjock]

17. Where is The List anyway?

We haven't seen The List in a while around here. Time to trot out The List again. That'll put all the, um, "fucking raging homophobes" in their place.

Your note at the end of this OP is indeed deeply, deeply offensive. And I get that you don't care. For posterity's sake, perhaps you might want to reconsider.

[G_j]

18. I get it, insinuate ppl are homophobes

and hope they get mad enough to get their post locked. You're so clever!

[bvar22]

24. UNRec,

shallow, bitter, uninformed, and intentionally misleading

[Doctor_J]

45. And typical of the BOG

They are getting nuttier by the day

[bvar22]

49. LOL.

Shallow, bitter, uninformed, intentionally misleading,
AND typical.

[sheshe2]

86. And Pitt is the voice of reason.

Okay Doctor_J, got it!

[intheflow]

26. I remember when a very vocal group of DUers

were up in arms about Obama inviting Rick Warren to do the inaugural prayer. They were absolutely right to criticize that move. Doesn't mean others are wrong when they criticize different bad moves by this president.

[William769]

27. I also remember a Group that was very silent or made excuses.

Just saying.

[intheflow]

39. What's your point?

I'm just saying, some criticism is valid. The Warren thing was bullshit and many were calling Obama a homophobe at that time. And they were right to call him out on it!

No person is wholly good or bad. Obama does some awesome things. He also does some shitty things. It's the nature of politics, but it does the nation a disservice as a whole if we only celebrate the good and ignore the bad in our political party's actions. I'm definitely thrilled with all the positive movement our country's taken in GLBTQ equality since Obama's been in office - it's an awesome leap forward in human rights. Meanwhile, we're also struggling with increased human rights violations with expanded domestic spy programs. My support for one does not negate my disdain for the other. It just means I don't see politics through only one issue.

[William769]

41. I think my point is quite clear.

[intheflow]

42. Apparently not, since I questioned it.

[Doctor_J]

90. Ouch

that's going to leave a mark

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. the one thing i will disagree with you about, is the raging homophobes comment

in fairness, A LOT OF GAY DU'ERS thought and repeatedly called the president a homophobe (not without justification). So yes there are a lot of DU'ers who had legit gripes with the president who are not homophobes.

[William769]

33. I agree with that.

Of course not all fit into that category I probably could have written that part better.)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. i do think that a lot of criticism of him comes from people who ignore the context

of his decisions/ americans in general

i feel like we pretend this is a progressive country, when indeed it is VERY Hard to get progressive measures past. We can't even convince our own families to vote for Democrats, but expect the President to achieve progressive ideal.

[William769]

40. Agreed!

Impeachment is a political process more than anything else and I am surprised that this house has not tried to play that card (yes I know the Senate would never convict), but that hasn't stopped the republicans in the past from doing this to try to make a President look week (God knows they have used every other trick in the book to try to accomplish this).

[Jamaal510]

116. They probably will try

if they keep the House and win the Senate this November. It'll be interesting to watch, indeed.

[PrestonLocke]

29. Can I not be for marriage equality

and still hate the drones?

[Ed Suspicious]

77. Great question. I have no problem squaring those two ideas.

I can even sqaure a loathing of drone policy and a general support for the man who implemented said policy.

A harsh critique of this administration does not make one an enemy of our party no matter how loudly the BOG screams it.

[NoOneMan]

30. But I oppose Obama's stance regarding adopted children of these couples

No, I do not think if their US citizen children go overseas that they should be able to be executed via drone by executive order without trial or evidence presented to the public. But hey, I guess it all balances out, right?

[Tikki]

35. I agree William769..some here are homophobes…

Some here even support powerful people who admit they are homophobes. We can't be progressive if we
aren't for equality. There is no middle ground on this.

Tikki

[Ohio Joe]

46. "We can't be progressive if we aren't for equality. There is no middle ground on this."

Well said

[WorseBeforeBetter]

117. DU was pro-equality long before Obama "evolved."

Do you have examples of those who support "powerful people who admit they are homophobes"?

[Tikki]

120. I do…one sits in a portion of Rome Italy.

and is supported here by many. I know DU was pro-equality here, I know how hard many have worked here
for the advances made and it hurts when I read excuses made for homophobes.


Tikki

[WorseBeforeBetter]

121. Maybe The Pope just needs time to "evolve," like Obama. (n/t)

[Tikki]

122. I don't see that happening…No where can the pope justify an evolving on equality in his structure.

and asking people to be nice to someone is not equality.

Do you want to know another homophobe admired here on DU? Dr. Ben Carson.


Tikki

[WorseBeforeBetter]

124. I remember DU chewing up and spitting out Dr. Ben Carson.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014749404 (one example)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014450599 (and another)

Perhaps I missed the pro-Carson threads. And if there are any, I imagine they're from bored Cavers looking to shit-stir.

[Tikki]

125. Look, if someone wants to love the pope and admire carson that is their prerogative...

and some on DU always will...

But, today, there has been so much information available out in the real World so there can be no more middle ground.

A person either is or isn't homophobic.


Tikki

[WorseBeforeBetter]

128. This exchange brings me back to...

why in God's name Rick Warren and Donnie McClurkin were ever associated with the Obama administration. No middle ground, indeed.

[Tikki]

131. Today President Obama knows...he could have known sooner and maybe he did

and chose not to act on what he knew..
But today we can all say, I am for equality or I am not.
If a person can not make a stand for equality, today, they are homophobes.

Tikki

[WorseBeforeBetter]

134. Seems he finally acted when deep-pocketed Hollywood...

put the screws to his administration, right around North Carolina's 2012 vote defeating marriage equality. Too bad he didn't speak up sooner. It's not likely it would have been enough to change the outcome of that disgraceful vote, but it would have been refreshing to hear the president take an unequivocal stance on this issue.

Oh, well, onward and upward.

[Tikki]

136. That could be one interpretation...

Too bad he didn't speak up sooner..that could have been grand.
He is now, today, and in a very big way he is bringing equality about..and those in Hollywood, North Carolina, the Vatican, wherever, are not going to stop this progress of equality.



Tikki

Onward..YAY

[uppityperson]

38. I disagree with some of his policies but have no problem with the man. He is imperfect, doing what

he can in the system with the lack of backing given him. He has not gone far enough fast enough, but is getting there and doing what he can to help. Yes, he is a politician. And yes, I disagree with some of the policies he has backed. But overall, I have no problem with Pres Obama.

ETA, I would add that "some" or "too many", not "all" to the OP's last bit though as not "all" are homophobes.

[Doctor_J]

43. so anyone who opposes TPP is a racist AND a homophobe

Wow.

[Iliyah]

44. I read that earlier and my GOD I'm so happy - K & R!

[Heidi]

47. No.

Last edited Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:47 AM - Edit history (1)

I agree with you on many, many things--most things, in fact--but there are as many reasons to "have a problem with President Obama" as there are people who have a problem with President Obama. They're not all homophobes.

[lark]

50. Maybe you only notice the "racist" anti-Obama complaints, but that's just what hits your radar.

I am the mother of a gay son and totall and actively support gay & minority rights and did so way before I had him. I am also one of the people that decry some of Obama's corporatist moves, like appointing the head of GE to a jobs counsel when they are actively moving American divisions overseas, who approves of drone strikes in America based on no real facts, who refused to prosecute the Bushco traitors. I also applaud his talk of raising the minimum wages - it's not about him personally, it's about his policies that I see the most complaints. Yes, there are the Repug lurkers, but that's not the majority.

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Actually, Bill is very likely to see the "anti-gay" complaints more readily, as he is gay.

If the last paragraph had the word "some" in it, most of the rants would evaporate. It is quite easy to see some have a problem with just about everything Obama does, and there is no nuance, only attacks (the opposite is true too). Like you, I have had issues with his policies many times. Interestingly enough, when I (and other gays here) had problems with his inviting Rick Warren to "pray," or coming out for states' rights to determine "gay" marriage, we were called "racist RWers", and now, the shoe is on the other foot and it seems to be giving some people cramped toes.

[JoePhilly]

51. Yea, but Obama didn't want to do that ... Putin made him do it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. I have a number of problems with Obama. None of which have anything to do with gays.

[Whisp]

56. K&R! unfortunately good news doesn't sell as well as shitting in public! n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

58. I almost feel sorry for folks who seek out things to be outraged about.

But then I remember, constant anger has its own way of rewarding those who embrace it.

[Jamaal510]

118. Not even a used car salesman

can really sell good news around here anymore.

[riqster]

59. Good on him!

[FiveGoodMen]

61. If a mafia kingpin is kind to his mother, does that excuse the killings he orders?

[Larry Ogg]

108. And what about John Wayne Gacy the killer clown who murdered 33 young men and boys...

Except for that one little flaw in his character he was model citizen.

Prior to his arrest, however, John Wayne Gacy was known as a beloved children’s party entertainer, respected businessman, three-time Jaycee Man of the Year, and Democratic Party precinct captain. It was in this latter capacity that he finagled a meeting with First Lady Rosalynn Carter on May 6, 1978.

http://historicalmeetups.tumblr.com/post/2976715698/rosalynn-carter-demure-first-lady-meets-john

[BlueJac]

62. problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes and can kiss my all American ass

nice statement. You are wrong, wrong , wrong saying things like that. I have lots of problems with Obama but this issue he is correct on. The issues I have are to many to count, and I would not want to get in some childish name calling argument with the likes of you.

[ismnotwasm]

67. Excellent news

My daughter lives in Michigan and is planning a wedding party for friends.

OT, in my state of Washington, I discharged my first patient with his husband from the hospital I work in. Not partner, not boyfriend, but a legally married spouse. I went in the bathroom and cried a bit.

It's that important and it means that much to me. (I rarely cry)

[Behind the Aegis]

73. That's cuz you are awesome!

[ismnotwasm]

74. Aw

Right Back at you

[libodem]

69. .

[William769]

70. ..

[DallasNE]

71. Michigan Is A Real Basket Case

Same sex married couples must file federal tax returns using the options available to straight married couples. For Michigan residents they must prepare a second set of federal return where they each file as single and then file Michigan income tax based on the non-used federal return, which likely means higher taxes. What a piece of work Michigan has become. Yes, this was put in place after DOMA was ruled unconstitutional but I don't see how a Michigan resident that is married out of State is any different than those married in Michigan. They file federal as a married couple and file Michigan as single. Not sure how this isn't in violation of the 14th Amendment.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/taxes/DOMAnotice_434103_7.pdf?20140328161137

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. "I am speaking in general terms". Well, nevermind! that's okay then!

So long as you're not talking about just me and instead stereotyping every single one of the president's critics, it's all okay!

I really do need a scorecard. Weren't Obamas supporters who defended his choice of Rick Warren "homophobe apologists" not all that long ago?

Lessee... "raging fucking homophobe" or "warmongering NSA apologist"

Tough choice. I'm glad I'm not limited to the ones of your definition.

[Rex]

82. It is only bad if other people do it.

One reason I cannot take many here as serious anymore. They've proven to be huge hypocrites.

[progressoid]

76. "are fucking raging homophobes"

[City Lights]

81. Unrec for the broad-brush accusation bolded at the end.

[Cha]

84. “I have determined that the same-sex marriages performed last Saturday in Michigan will be

.. recognized by the federal government,” Holder said. “These families will be eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages.”

Thank you AG Holder and President Obama!

Mahalo William.. and it seems to me you're talking about these kinds of people..

[sheshe2]

87. But but but,

Obama bad, Eric Holder bad.

I know they are because it is said on DU all the time. #$%^&*(*&^%$WQ you Obama and Holder!!!1!

Thank you President Obama and Eric Holder,

“For purposes of federal law, as I announced in January with respect to similarly situated same-sex couples in Utah, these Michigan couples will not be asked to wait for further resolution in the courts before they may seek federal benefits to which they are entitled,” Holder said.

It was the right thing to do and they did it!

[flvegan]

96. So any "people that have a problem with...Obama...are fucking raging homophobes" then?

Lockstep, people! No feet to the fire holding, lest you be tagged by the brilliance within as a "fucking raging homophobe"

LOL, the facepalm is strong with this one.

[Hekate]

100. "Full faith and credit" coming right up, kids. POTUS is really giving marriage equality a good shove

... into full reality for the 50 states.

Whereas previously the issue was being fought out state by state by state, often by people hell-bent on stopping it (see: Prop. 8 in California, 2008 election; I admit I was completely blindsided by the results as I had my sights on the presidential election and merely voted against Prop. 8 rather than taking more vigorous action) -- Obama having instructed his Attorney General to make marriage equality recognized by federal law, and in the military, and in the Civil Service, means "states' rights" to stop gay marriage are being seriously eroded.

Marriage equality is unstoppable now.

This makes my day.

[chompers]

105. Just to clarify...

If you disagree with BO, you are either a racist or a homophobe? Got it.

[ljm2002]

110. Results of the alert on post #107

On Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

How many ways can a Right Wing Authoritarian Idol Worshiper say...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4749236

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unnecessary rudeness, attack on the OP.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:59 PM, and the Jury voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poor grammar aside, this post does not rise to the level of objectionable.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post and the OP are just shameful. It's mindless demagoguery, nothing more or less. When debate is at the "Fuck you, No Fuck you" level, what is the point? There's too many accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, authoritarianism, and the like these days. Those words don't really mean anything with the way they're used in the DU wars these days. They're just totems used in pointless xenophobic circlejerk. Grow the fuck up, people.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good grief. The OP contained this gem: "One thing I have noticed about people that have a problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes and can kiss my all American rainbow colored ass!" implying that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a fucking raging homophobe. Given that, the response is pretty tame. Leave it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Well this is way over the top and a direct call out of the OP poster. I must add however that I would have voted to hide the OP also for this statement: "One thing I have noticed about people that have a problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes" And yes I read that it was a general comment not personal to anyone but that is no excuse. But I'm only on one jury...

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was juror #5. I would encourage everyone to re-read the OP and the hidden post and ask yourself, which one is really more inflammatory? The one that accuses all DUers who have issues with President Obama as "fucking raging homophobes", vs. the one that reacted angrily and told the OP to get over himself?

[one_voice]

112. Could you point out where in the OP he does this...

The one that accuses all DUers who have issues with President Obama as "fucking raging homophobes",

Cuz I've read and re-read and I don't see where he accuses all DU'ers....


Thanks in advance.

[ljm2002]

123. You know what, you're right...

Here is the section that set me off:

"One thing I have noticed about people that have a problem with Presdient Obama, they are fucking raging homophobes and can kiss my all American rainbow colored ass! And yes there is a "Gay agenda" it's called equality.

P.S. To any DU jury that gets empaneled for this OP, I am speaking in general terms. You never know around this place anymore."

When I read "people that have a problem with President Obama" it seemed to me it included DUers by default. Given the raging debates around DU for the last year, and especially the back and forth between various individuals and factions regarding criticisms of President Obama, I assumed the poster meant it as a jab at DUers who sometimes criticize the President. The clarification "I am speaking in general terms" struck me as backpedaling.

Upon re-reading it, I see that it could be taken in a different context, and may have not referred to DU at all. The poster of the OP does not seem to be engaged in the aforementioned raging debates regarding President Obama so that is possible.

I think the other post that got hidden read it the way I did. In any case I admit mine was a knee jerk reaction. But I still don't think the post that got hidden should have been -- it was heated, possibly misinterpreted the post it was reacting to, and told the poster to get over himself. I've had worse than that said to me on many, many occasions here, often with less justification (from my own point of view, of course ), and without being hidden.

[one_voice]

126. I can see how you'd think..

it included DU'ers.

There are things I've read here and after seeing it discussed realized..oops I read that wrong. More than once...lol

[WorseBeforeBetter]

130. Of course it's a jab.

It's a carefully worded jab on par with the suggestion that liberal critics of Obama are racist.

Yawn.

[Zorra]

113. Yep, and all minority lesbians who have problems with Obama are misogynistic racist homophobes.

I'll have to slap my white girlfriend around as we march in the Pride Parade next weekend, just to prove it.

[Owl]

114. Unrec. Absolute nonsense.

[rhett o rick]

138. Please stop these incessant posts. Get over it already. Just because

someone posts a terrible post about Obama, shouldnt give you guys carte blanc for self-righteous post after post after post. Be the bigger person and break the chain.