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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:37 PM Mar 2014

Where do you think President Obama stands in terms of being progressive vs. centrist/conservative?


22 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
I think the President is really a progressive who tries to advance a progressive agenda as much as is politically possible
3 (14%)
I think the President serves only the interest of Wall Street and corporate power and has no real political philosophy
1 (5%)
I think the President is moderately center-left like many post-New Deal Democrats and attempts as much as is politically viable to advance that point of view
5 (23%)
I think the President is moderately center-right like what would have once been a moderate Republican and attempts to advance that agenda as much as is politically feasible.
11 (50%)
I think the President is more of a technocratic professional administrator who is really not ideological and who is guided more by viability than philosophic considerations
2 (9%)
Pasta al dente or slightly undercooked pasta is certainly preferable to overcooked pasta.
0 (0%)
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Where do you think President Obama stands in terms of being progressive vs. centrist/conservative? (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 OP
I picked - quinnox Mar 2014 #1
Im sorry LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #2
I'm pretty sure posting that is a TOS violation Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #14
Why do you hate al dente? cui bono Mar 2014 #27
Hes too stiff for my tastes LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #36
Yeah, that's why Marinara had to dump him. cui bono Mar 2014 #49
I chose this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #3
The President says he's choice #4. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #4
If only he had been that honest in 2008. kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #6
I was never confused about this. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #8
Ok fine. If only he had chosen to be honest about himself in 2007. kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #10
I personally interpreted his 2004 national debut speech at The Democratic National Convention Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #37
He was running against a doofus and a lunatic DJ13 Mar 2014 #30
! Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #31
Thars why I said they werent that bad DJ13 Mar 2014 #32
Clinton ran politically left of Obama. joshcryer Mar 2014 #44
While this is correct, I think he personally is center-left. joshcryer Mar 2014 #43
That is such a relief to know. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #47
I know Obama is intellectually center-left. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48
+1 deutsey Mar 2014 #16
I honestly don't know. cali Mar 2014 #5
Other: I think he is a technocratic administrator type who is moderately conservative TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #7
He's a "pragmatic", "savvy", centrist politican who is willing to be Not as Bad to be president. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #9
Pushed Lily Ledbetter Act, CARD Act, the ACA, etc jazzimov Mar 2014 #11
Not when you add appointed Wall Street execs into the WH, Monsanto execs to the EPA, cui bono Mar 2014 #29
I think anyone who thinks the President is center-RIGHT under the modern definitions... Shandris Mar 2014 #12
I know what you mean - a few minutes in a local bar where I live would certainly expose anyone to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #41
Anyone who views Ronald Reagan in positive political terms is conservative. mmonk Mar 2014 #13
Big Business, Moderate Republican by nature-- but he's a professional, Third Way-type politician. Marr Mar 2014 #15
The right has been so effective in negating the left deutsey Mar 2014 #17
Other: Post-Sixties Liberal. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #18
Obama has reduced the deficit flamingdem Mar 2014 #19
He has, indeed. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #23
Agree, but not very optimistic about a huge stimulus flamingdem Mar 2014 #24
It's doubtful, given the odds for this year's election... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #26
I believe this quote sums up the President's ideology pretty accurately Zorra Mar 2014 #20
variant shades of gray between Center Right and Serving Wall Street 2banon Mar 2014 #21
He is carrying water for very dangerous corporatists. woo me with science Mar 2014 #22
Majority voting think a man like Obama, with his background flamingdem Mar 2014 #25
so Obama failed at describing himself? justabob Mar 2014 #33
Yeah, I frankly don't think President Obama was lying at all when he described himself politically Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #35
right justabob Mar 2014 #40
Well, you either don't know what majority means or don't know who Reagan was cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #39
I picked '3' because it was closest to my subjective interpretation of him. GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #28
Ouch. Rex Mar 2014 #34
Well, for that, I look at where the evidence point. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #38
knr Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #42
To the right of Richard Nixon. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #45
Center-right or center-left, depending on the issue. So basically about as middle of the road nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #46
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
1. I picked -
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:41 PM
Mar 2014

"I think the President is more of a technocratic professional administrator who is really not ideological and who is guided more by viability than philosophic considerations"

I like how you put that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. I chose this
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:55 PM
Mar 2014
I think the President is moderately center-right like what would have once been a moderate Republican and attempts to advance that agenda as much as is politically feasible.


The president even said as much. So if he did that.. Who am I to question him?
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. The President says he's choice #4.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:58 PM
Mar 2014
Obama: ‘I Would Be Considered a Moderate Republican’ in the 1980s"

I'd quibble a bit - seems like more of an early 1990s Republican to me - but why would anyone not fundamentally believe him?
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
8. I was never confused about this.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:12 PM
Mar 2014

He made it quite clear in 2008 that he was center-right. He was running against a doofus and a lunatic and a party that had moved to the far right.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
37. I personally interpreted his 2004 national debut speech at The Democratic National Convention
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

"No Red States - No Blue States - Just the United States" as an obvious endorsement of centrism. I Never for a second imagined he was anything other than a centrist. But I could say that for any of the leading contenders for the Democratic Party nomination over the past 30 years.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
31. !
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:49 PM
Mar 2014

That would have been against an equivalent centrist and an actual democrat with elven features.

joshcryer

(62,302 posts)
44. Clinton ran politically left of Obama.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:30 AM
Mar 2014

Though she probably was center-right she was left of Obama.

In 2016 she will be far left of 2008 Obama.

joshcryer

(62,302 posts)
48. I know Obama is intellectually center-left.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:14 AM
Mar 2014

I think he has had to be center-right or centrist because he is black. He can't have the perception as the "angry black man" so he fights that perception.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. I honestly don't know.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:03 PM
Mar 2014

I guess I think he's pretty much- for whatever reasons- someone who favors advancing the corporate agenda, and by that I mean he advance corporate interests. I see him as someone who wants the middle class to do well and wants to see those in poverty lifted out of it, but who largely goes along with the corporate agenda. Yes, he wants the minimum wage raised and that's good, but it's not even close to being enough. Like too many dems, he's good on social justice issues like LGBT rights, but I don't see how one can separate economic justice from social justice.

I think the evidence for his corporate enabling can be seen in a myriad issues- from appointments like those at the USTR to his support for expanding fracking with few safeguards- he voted for the horrible bush energy act which included the even more horrible Halliburton loophole for energy producers.



TheKentuckian

(25,357 posts)
7. Other: I think he is a technocratic administrator type who is moderately conservative
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:10 PM
Mar 2014

in a pre - Teabagger era sense.

I believe if Republicans were both more tolerant racially and more diverse geographically that he would have had a choice of parties that he could be on the edge of. Might still have been if he had come up and been in his prime in the 70's if he tacked east instead of Chicago.

You don't get left anything with a cabinet full of Rubinites and out Republicans. The cabinets show the heading.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. He's a "pragmatic", "savvy", centrist politican who is willing to be Not as Bad to be president.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:12 PM
Mar 2014
A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
11. Pushed Lily Ledbetter Act, CARD Act, the ACA, etc
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:20 PM
Mar 2014

ended DADT, proclaimed that DOMA is unconstitutional.....

sounds pretty Progressive to me!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
29. Not when you add appointed Wall Street execs into the WH, Monsanto execs to the EPA,
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:34 PM
Mar 2014

didn't give single-payer a seat at the table but had secret back room deals with insurance companies, left many, many Bush appointees in place that are usually switched out by incoming presidents, expanded spying on American citizens and pushed to legalize what was once illegal, prosecutes more whistle blowers than any previous president, rather than renegotiate NAFTA as he promised to do signed a new free trade agreement with Korea, pushing for TPP and tried to keep it from the public, hasn't said no to the KXL pipeline.

Doesn't sound progressive at all now.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
12. I think anyone who thinks the President is center-RIGHT under the modern definitions...
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 02:35 PM
Mar 2014

...needs to come live in Indiana for a while and get a first-hand look at what 'Right' looks like.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
41. I know what you mean - a few minutes in a local bar where I live would certainly expose anyone to
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

how much the extreme right has become mainstream. But, I think it is more a statement of how far the range of discussion has drifted rightward when what would have only a few decades ago been considered moderately conservative can now with a straight face be denounced as radical leftist.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
13. Anyone who views Ronald Reagan in positive political terms is conservative.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 02:41 PM
Mar 2014

That being said, I appreciate Obamacare while it lasts even though it was the Heritage plan (better than nothing).

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
15. Big Business, Moderate Republican by nature-- but he's a professional, Third Way-type politician.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 05:52 PM
Mar 2014

He knows which label he's officially running under, and he knows how to use social issues as liberal bona fides. Social issues generally don't cost big business a dime.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
17. The right has been so effective in negating the left
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 05:57 PM
Mar 2014

and moving the center rightward, that most people today don't know what any of these terms really mean anymore.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
18. Other: Post-Sixties Liberal.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 06:21 PM
Mar 2014

Comports with the modern Democratic Party platform, including (off the top of my head):

  • Long-established progressive domestic social policy.
  • Recognition of and participation in the global economy.
  • Peace through strength and global (including domestic) demilitarization.
  • Strong UN and NATO participation.
  • Traditional approaches to lower taxes.
  • Lowered focus on inflation and deficits.

flamingdem

(39,729 posts)
19. Obama has reduced the deficit
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 06:47 PM
Mar 2014

quite a bit.

Your post has some merit because you recognize these factors. Many here are really spewing the usual garbage that passes for analysis.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
23. He has, indeed.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:06 PM
Mar 2014

The deep recession panicked the country, thus mandating deficit cuts and an attempt at debt reduction. Otherwise, I believe him to be a Keynesian. Under ordinary recessionary circumstances it's likely he would have possessed the political capital to pass a huge stimulus, but he inherited a shit pile of FUD. Hey may yet have that opportunity.

flamingdem

(39,729 posts)
24. Agree, but not very optimistic about a huge stimulus
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

but hey I never thought he could get elected in the US of A!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
26. It's doubtful, given the odds for this year's election...
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:22 PM
Mar 2014

but stranger things have happened during his tenure.

After all, who would have expected the country to be within a few points of full employment so quickly?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. I believe this quote sums up the President's ideology pretty accurately
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 06:55 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:44 PM - Edit history (1)

"I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people—he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing." ~ Barack Obama




Obviously, the country was not ready for the different path that that Reagan put us on. The racist, misogynist, homophobic actor/sociopath led America down the garden path, and destroyed the country, and we have not even come close to being recovered from the destruction of the Reagan era to this day.

The dirty fucking hippies were right; Reagan was definitely not.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
21. variant shades of gray between Center Right and Serving Wall Street
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 06:59 PM
Mar 2014
I think the President serves only the interest of Wall Street and corporate power and has no real political philosophy



and

I think the President is moderately center-right like what would have once been a moderate Republican and attempts to advance that agenda as much as is politically feasible.


I voted he's about Wall Street and Corporate power, and I'd say with little to no regard to political philosophy..


Editing to add: along with too many Congress Critters (D/R), confirmed by this report:

The Economic Scam of the Century



woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. He is carrying water for very dangerous corporatists.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:05 PM
Mar 2014

"Moderate" does not describe the worst decisions of this administration. We have seen an extension and expansion of Bush's most extremist and anti-Constitutional policies. And this is not about Obama the man. This is about the corruption by corporate money of our democratic system, from the billions needed for elections, to lobbying, to the revolving door to Wall Street that corrupts everyday governance. Very little coming out of Washington anymore bears even a slight resemblance to what the people have repeatedly proclaimed we want and need. After Obama's term, if We the People do not find a way to throw ourselves into the gears of the system that is eating us alive, another corporate puppet will be installed.

The ones who now purchase our elections and give us two corporate candidates to choose from have infiltrated and taken control of both political parties. They have trampled the Constitution. They have turned the United States of America into a surveillance state, militarized our police forces, and created a nascent police state. They persecute whistleblowers and criminalize dissent. They strangle investigative journalism and create a propaganda machine to take its place. They are subverting our democratic, representative government and our Constitution to serve the interests of the wealthy elite, and they are working to turn the rest of us into wage slaves. They are profiting from bloody, undeclared wars; surveillance systems; private prisons; exploitative control of our health care and education; and privatization of every resource we have.

And they are now pushing for a trans-national "free trade" agreement that will force Americans to compete with Third World workers for jobs and wages, and cede national sovereignty on issues as important as wages and corporate regulation to corporations that view only profit, not human safety or well-being, as the bottom line.

They are a menace to our representative government, our Constitution, and our freedom. Pretending that they are part of the normal representative governmental process, merely "centrists," is to vastly euphemize the cancer they really are.

No, we are not making incremental progress. We are moving relentlessly in the wrong direction.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4712258

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023994720#post35

flamingdem

(39,729 posts)
25. Majority voting think a man like Obama, with his background
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:12 PM
Mar 2014

= Reagan.

Once again a DU fail, but don't forget to pat yourselves on the back!

justabob

(3,069 posts)
33. so Obama failed at describing himself?
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:53 PM
Mar 2014

This place has gone completely insane. Obama used almost the exact same words used in option 4 to describe himself, and still you say the rest of us "fail" by agreeing with him.... We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
35. Yeah, I frankly don't think President Obama was lying at all when he described himself politically
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 08:22 PM
Mar 2014

When the President bragged to Bill O'Reilly that Richard Nixon was more liberal than him in many ways - I don't think he was lying about that either. Of course that would also be true of any of the leading contenders for the Democratic Party nomination for the past 20+ years.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
40. right
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:04 PM
Mar 2014

and I agree about the most recent democratic candidates too. I voted for him because he wasn't as bad as the other guy, not because I believed he was a champion of the brand of economic populism I favor. Now someone will probably take offense at that even though I voted for him... twice.

 

GiveMeMorePIE

(54 posts)
28. I picked '3' because it was closest to my subjective interpretation of him.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:30 PM
Mar 2014

I do feel he has set the standard for what I will expect from Democratic politicians in the 21st Century.

He strikes the right balance between ideologue and pragmatic and as someone not particularly ideological myself, I thirst for more leaders like this.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
38. Well, for that, I look at where the evidence point.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

As for his economic policy.....it may indeed be admitted that he leans slightly to the right in philosophy; he's not exactly a populist, unlike the good Senator Liz Warren. He is, however, undeniably a civic progressive in many ways. And that's much of why Teabaggers hate him so much.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
45. To the right of Richard Nixon.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:31 AM
Mar 2014

He looks liberal with comparison to the current Republican Party, most of whom have moved over into John Birch Society territory (Barry Goldwater was considered "far right" at one time; he'd be a moderate in today's political environment).

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
46. Center-right or center-left, depending on the issue. So basically about as middle of the road
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:37 AM
Mar 2014

as a person can realistically get. And though I like the guy on a personal level, I can't help but see his lukewarm politics as part of the problem.

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