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Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:16 PM

 

At least they could *try*

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Today I received 2 separate emails from the Democratic Party asking me for cash. That makes 19 in the past two weeks.

I took a quick look through the 19, and not one of them says what the Democratic Party will be doing to help the 99%. Most just ask for money. Some tell me that they need money or else -- Republicans may repeal ObamaCare, or take over Congress. And there's a couple that want me to enter a sweepstakes for a trip to see LBJ in NYC with Biden, I think.

What would be so awful about setting some positive goals and fighting like mother@#$%ers to achieve 'em for the 99%? That's how we take back the House and keep the Senate, by fighting and winning battles for the 99%, not by sweepstakes and pointing out that the other guys are worse.

I know, I suck for saying this. But I can't imagine that I'm the only one who feels this way.

Update Let me be crystal clear here: I'm highly in favor in fundraising, and in contributing - I give to candidates, including Elizabeth Warren (of course) and Barack Obama. What I'm against is playing defense instead of offense, of selling a political party like this:

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MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP
ProSense Mar 2014 #1
senseandsensibility Mar 2014 #3
ProSense Mar 2014 #5
MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #10
ProSense Mar 2014 #11
Blanks Mar 2014 #101
BainsBane Mar 2014 #16
frazzled Mar 2014 #27
JI7 Mar 2014 #32
frazzled Mar 2014 #54
pangaia Mar 2014 #98
hrmjustin Mar 2014 #22
Raine1967 Mar 2014 #25
senseandsensibility Mar 2014 #2
Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #4
MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #8
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NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #12
ProSense Mar 2014 #13
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tularetom Mar 2014 #14
Ron Obvious Mar 2014 #15
Brigid Mar 2014 #17
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fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #31
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Stonepounder Mar 2014 #24
loudsue Mar 2014 #26
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TexasTowelie Mar 2014 #29
Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #30
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Divernan Mar 2014 #87
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:17 PM

1. I got two from Elizabeth Warren,

but I'm broke.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:20 PM

3. Does she just ask for money

without promising reform?

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:21 PM

5. Elizabeth Warren:


Friend -- The 2014 election boils down to one question: Whose side do you stand on?

Do you stand with Democratic control of the Senate -- or do you want to hand the gavel over to Mitch McConnell? Do you stand with President Obama’s agenda to fight for working families – or do you want two more years of unbearable gridlock?

Let’s do the math: Right now, nine 2014 Senate races are within single digits. NINE. And Republicans only need to win six to take control of the Senate.

So we have a choice: We can either sit back and let the millionaires and billionaires and big corporations take control, or we can stand for working people and fight back.

I can’t overstate how important it is for us to raise $900,000 more for Democratic Senate candidates across the country. Our deadline is in 72 hours -- can you pitch in $3 right away? Your gift will be matched.

Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are trying to buy a Senate that is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful. They just spent another $30 million in attack ads, and they are just getting started.

If we let that happen, you’d better believe that everything President Obama fights for will be brought to a screeching halt. Democrats need to hang on to the Senate so that we can fight for middle class families and so that we can work to give everyone a fighting chance to build a future.

But I also know that when we stand up and fight, we can beat the most powerful interests. We did it in Massachusetts in 2012, and we can still do it in states all across the country in 2014.

Things are too close to sit back and watch from the sidelines. Will you join me and fight back?

Please join me and pitch in $3 before the deadline in just 72 hours. Your gift will be matched dollar-for-dollar, doubling its imapct.

Thank you,
Elizabeth Warren



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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:28 PM

10. Got 18 more like that? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:30 PM

11. Another from Warren, Reid, Merkley, Harkin and at least 25 more. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:46 PM

101. Al Franken? I get one a day from him. eom

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:40 PM

16. Warren is in the Democratic Party now

and that looks a lot like the emails I get. It may even be the same one, though I don't get any from Warren.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:29 PM

27. I get them from Warren, Merkley, Leahy, Durbin, Pelosi, Reid, Franken

Madeleine Albright (wtf?), Joe Biden, Barbara Boxer, Chuck Schumer ... plus all the organizations DSCC, DCCC, Organizing for Action, MoveOn, Vote Vets .... oh, and Tammy Duckworth and Brad Schneider

And this is just looking at the names in my trash in my email since yesterday: there have been 30 emails in two days asking for money.

Really, the more you give, the more of these emails you get. I think they don't understand that it just turns people off.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:19 AM

32. i think most people only get it from one or a few of them

i'm guessing since you pay attention more you have probably signed up to recieve mail from most of them which is why you get so many.

but for most people i think they just get it from their own local and maybe a couple of the national party ones.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:59 AM

54. I never signed up for any of these

I have no idea why Jeff Merkley, for instance, writes to me three times a week. I live in Illinois, and have been to Oregon only twice in my lifetime.

I have made donations to (or in the case of OFA, worked for) a couple of these groups in the past: I think they sell or share their email lists and it just starts to grow geometrically. It makes me nuts.

And as for Manny's request that they say something more important in their emails: it doesn't matter. They just want your donation. They'll be happy to say anything that gets you to press the donate button, but it doesn't mean anything.

(I'd rather they told me exactly how their money will be spent--say, hiring staff or paying rent on a campaign office; but I've given up on that. I know they think they get more results from scream headlines about Republicans.)

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Response to frazzled (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:17 PM

98. Unsubscribe

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:49 PM

22. I got the same thing.

 

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:13 PM

25. Wait.....

You're broke? how can that be? I thought you were a paid poster here?



In all seriousness, I'm going to assume that you support what Ms. Warren is saying.

(I got the the same email)

I donated money, BTW. I really must hate the 3rd, way....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:19 PM

2. I agree, it's obvious they can't even PRETEND

to promise us that they'll work for us. I get the same e-mails. Pathetic.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:21 PM

4. I'm getting plenty from Warren here. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:24 PM

8. Do they talk about positive change? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:28 PM

9. Yeah pretty much. Would she be able to accomplish those things given the RW govt in office,

and given the fact that RWers are rampant racists, and refuse to work with Democrats?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:22 PM

6. Howard Dean:

I’m not going to sugarcoat things – it’s go time in New Hampshire. Scott Brown and his special interest pals are on the attack, so my friend Jeanne Shaheen needs our help now.

Brown’s got his whole shtick – the pickup truck, the “I’m an everyman” message. But as anyone who watched his 2012 campaign against Elizabeth Warren knows, he only cares about three things: Big Oil, Big Banks, and – most of all – Scott Brown.

He will be the best-funded candidate in New Hampshire history.

The Koch brothers and right-wing Super PACs have already spent almost $1.5 million attacking Jeanne this year. The second Brown announced, Karl Rove’s American Crossroads launched a $650,000 attack ad buy.

Jeanne needs our help immediately to fight back against the Super PACs. With just 39 hours before the midnight FEC deadline, Jeanne has $153,290 left to raise. I need you to pitch in right now.

Donate what you can spare to Jeanne right away – we can’t let Big Oil and the big banks buy Scott Brown another Senate seat.



Now that Brown’s in, the right-wing Super PAC cash that’s already gushing into New Hampshire will double or even triple. In 2012, Brown took $5.5 million from Wall Street and big financial interests alone – more than anyone else running for Congress that year. I shudder to think what they have planned for Jeanne.

Let’s not wait to find out. Please contribute now, before the books close on this critical FEC quarter, so that Jeanne has the resources to fight back and help hold our Democratic majority.

Donate what you can spare to Jeanne right away – we can’t let our middle-class champion be replaced by special-interest darling Scott Brown.

Thanks for standing with Jeanne.

Howard Dean


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Response to ProSense (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:31 PM

12. I love those "we need money right now!" ads.

They remind me of televangelists.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:32 PM

13. Easy enough to delete the ones I want to ignore. Try unsubscribe. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:22 PM

7. "I can't imagine that I'm the only one who feels this way."

No you're not.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:39 PM

14. I get tons of them from Obama and/or his organizations

I toss 'em all in the trash. Why should I give him anymore money, he isn't running for anything.

I made a sizeable (for me) donation to him in 2008, somewhat less in 2012. I guess I got my money's worth. He didn't cut social security like he hinted he might.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:40 PM

15. No, you're not the only one.

 

I feel the exact same way. The Democratic Party all but hold you upside down to shake the coins out of your pocket.

At least that's what it feels like. And nothing but threats about the Republicans like you said.

It feels like a shakedown, not an inspiration to contribute to a larger good.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:43 PM

17. I was in a really foul mood last night,

and unsubsctibed from every political group like move on.org and every politician I've been getting emails from. My inbox will be a lot less crowded from now on. But it was annoying that most seemed to make unsubscribing a bit of a hassle.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:46 PM

19. If Dem leadership has upset someone with the patience of a Cub's fan,

I'd would say it is high time they wake up and start to figure out what they are doing wrong.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:55 PM

23. Now that was funny!

Thanks for the laugh; I really needed it!

Democrats, every one of them, should have fought like hell for single payer health care or at least the public option. That's all I'm going to say about why I was in such a bad mood last night.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:15 AM

31. LOL! n/t

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:17 AM

39. Yup. Past high time.

Don't push free trade deals then tell me you want me to donate to your campaign.

Don't push Chained CPI then ask for money from someone that is having a tough time paying for the basics.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:45 PM

18. Uh, Manny, you are aware that there would be value in going to NYC with Biden and

Visiting LBJ while you are there.

Any number of news places would be interested. The Enquirer pays good money - I'd say it might be worth a small donation just to have chance at this trip.

I am not sure how the DLC will lure LBJ's ghost to NYC. He was a Texas man, pure and simple, and I can't really see him hanging out at Le Cirque.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:12 AM

43. LBJ, as portrayed by Bryan Cranston in 'All The Way' is currently running on Broadway

 

I highly recommend the play, anyone who can get to NYC should do so, see the play and be ready for the sequel 'Great Society' which will be following in a year or two.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:47 PM

20. Please tell me

I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this OP?



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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:43 AM

49. No. No, you are not. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:48 PM

21. I got this from Warren.

 

Justin -- The 2014 election boils down to one question: Whose side do you stand on?

Do you stand with Democratic control of the Senate -- or do you want to hand the gavel over to Mitch McConnell? Do you stand with President Obama’s agenda to fight for working families – or do you want two more years of unbearable gridlock?

Let’s do the math: Right now, nine 2014 Senate races are within single digits. NINE. And Republicans only need to win six to take control of the Senate.

So we have a choice: We can either sit back and let the millionaires and billionaires and big corporations take control, or we can stand for working people and fight back.

I can’t overstate how important it is for us to raise $900,000 more for Democratic Senate candidates across the country. Our deadline is in 72 hours -- can you pitch in $3 right away? Your gift will be matched.

Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are trying to buy a Senate that is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful. They just spent another $30 million in attack ads, and they are just getting started.

If we let that happen, you’d better believe that everything President Obama fights for will be brought to a screeching halt. Democrats need to hang on to the Senate so that we can fight for middle class families and so that we can work to give everyone a fighting chance to build a future.

But I also know that when we stand up and fight, we can beat the most powerful interests. We did it in Massachusetts in 2012, and we can still do it in states all across the country in 2014.

Things are too close to sit back and watch from the sidelines. Will you join me and fight back?

Please join me and pitch in $3 before the deadline in just 72 hours. Your gift will be matched dollar-for-dollar, doubling its imapct.

Thank you,
Elizabeth Warren

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:58 PM

24. I griped about getting seven solicitations before noon today.

I said it seems that Election Day doesn't matter, its all about the $$$. Nobody talks about GOTV or boots on the ground, just 'send money'. I was pretty pissed and said that its all about the money.

And the first response to my post was someone calling me a Right Wing troll. LOL.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:18 PM

26. The important thing we can all do is ANSWER THOSE E-MAILS!!!! Write 'em back!

Tell them what they're doing wrong, and tell them what you want! I've been doing that since Obama came out in favor of chained CPI for social security. I've let them know that ONLY CANDIDATES THAT STAND UP FOR DEMOCRATIC VALUES will be getting my money....NOT the national party....until they stop being the party of corporate interests, and STOP talking shit about populist ideas.

I let them know: "In case you weren't aware of it, THE POPULATION cares about POPULIST ideas!!! Read your damned history!!!" Of course, they're going to do whatever they damned well please, but Obama did quit pushing for chained CPI.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:38 PM

28. You are not the only one.

I get them every day...and frankly I don't even bother to read them...they are all basically the same...pimping the fear of the GOP.
And it is always helpful to have a bad cop around to scare the shit out of you...there is money in it.
It is so much easier than coming up with a plan to help us out that would offend the big money donors.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:50 PM

29. Here is a positive message they could deliver.

We need your help to help retain the Senate in Democratic control so that the president can have federal judges pass through the nomination process and to place justices on the Supreme Court if vacancies occur. These changes will help to overturn bad decisions such as the Citizens United ruling, promote equality and repeal laws that do not promote progressive principles.

That isn't a comprehensive list, but it should serve as a start. I'm certain that some others will want to add to that list.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:05 AM

30. Don't they get enough money from corporations?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:34 AM

33. I don't remember signing up for these, or even giving my email address.

I get them from various national Dem entities as well as one or more state orgnizations.
I'm not a huge donor by any means, - never was.

I have so many charitable solicitations, religious and non-religious. At least they send me address labels, calendars, note paper or greeting cards, etc. and I send a small donation if I'm going to use the "gift".

I've assumed I can't get off the political lists, since I'm a registered Dem. and that's public information, so I just delete the political requests.
I got a phone call from the state organization the other day, asking for $50. I cut the figure way back & said send me a notice; they wanted me to promise I'd send it back in several days.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:14 PM

87. Sign an online petition & your addy is sold to all kinds of groups

Have you noticed that you MUST provide your email address when you sign a petition? For that reason, I no longer sign online petitions sponsored by any kind of groups - political, religious, charitable, etc. You may be a registered Dem but that information does not include your phone number or email address - just your mailing address.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #87)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 03:11 PM

93. That's why I resisted signing online petitions.

I try to not give my email out, even to for-profit orqanizations.
Sure don't need any extra spam email.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:34 AM

34. You can bet the GOP is doing the same thing!

I'm not on any of THEIR lists, but I can just imagine those emails.

So there will be a hologram of LBJ? I might like to see THAT.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:59 AM

35. I get them and it doesn't bother me one bit.

I wish them luck. I donate when I can. They're not making this shit up. Democratic leaders are being attacked -- the more effective they are, or the bigger the threat they pose to the dangerous and destructive ideology of the right wing, the more fierce the attacks.

Its a poor way to conduct public campaigns, but that's the way it is.

No, I'm not bothered by requests for contributions from Democratic Party candidates.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:59 AM

36. i get requests for donations almost every day.

i swear every dem has my e-mail. i think my money can be put to better use by giving it to our local food bank.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:01 AM

37. Well, this did get me thinking

Currently getting money requests from Alan Grayson (although his are informative/amusing), Debbie Stabenow, Elizabeth Warren, Patrick Leahy, Dick Durbin, Barbara Lee, Nancy Pelosi, and a couple others. DCC and DFA sent out polls with money requests, and I wrote on the forms I only support individual candidates. Those have seemed to stop. Bold Progressives I do pay attention to, along with VoteVets.

Let's hear it for public campaign financing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:11 AM

38. Manny, I have felt the very same way many times.

I will not support candidates that favor outsourcing our manufacturing jobs or trimming barely adequate "entitlements" while favoring wasteful and unjustifiable military spending.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

Just being better than the lunatics is only an excuse to move to the right on the issues.

If candidates want my support they will:

1. Make it clear where they stand on the issues.

2. If my issues aren't among those addressed do not expect support from me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:52 AM

40. Yep. I agree.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:58 AM

41. Long Binh Jail is now in New York City?

I learn new fax every day on the DU..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 07:25 AM

42. Pulling out the classic

Oh look, another fundraising letter, just gonna throw it away...



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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:44 AM

50. FUD don't spread itself, ya' know! nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:02 AM

55. Must be a slow FUD day

Recycling this golden oldie, and all....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:31 AM

44. They don't need to do that Manny. That's hard work right there.

Who else are you going to vote for? Come election time we are going to vote for the Democrats, don't matter what the democrats do or don't do republicans suck. I unsubscribed from everyone except Elizabeth, Udall and Bernie.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:32 AM

45. Way to go, Manny!

Last edited Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:09 AM - Edit history (1)

You're on a roll here. I got similar emails, including ones from Elizabeth Warren and Dean. All were asking for money to help maintain control of the Senate and try to get control of the House.

I donated what I could. You got annoyed. That appears to be a major difference between us. I'm working on and contributing to efforts to put Democrats in charge. You're deleting requests for donations that will help to do that and trashing those requests on a website called Democratic Underground.

Great job, Manny! Please proceed.

Sincerely,

GOTV-Way MineralManny

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:46 AM

51. + 100

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:48 AM

52. Thanks.

I know you've seen this, but here's a DU link to another thread on this subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024758073

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #52)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:51 AM

53. YUP ... saw that ...

I suppose the annoyed folks could use the "unsubscribe" link most of those emails have, but that would take far more effort than coming to DU and complaining.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:16 AM

58. I apologize if my OP was confusing

 

I don't object to being asked to contribute. I don't mind contributing either. I even gave to Obama in 2008, based on what he said he was going to do.

What I do mind is a campaign that asks me to contribute without even attempting to say "Hey! We're going to do X" and then going off and fighting like Hell for X. C'mon Democrats: play offense.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #58)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:18 AM

60. No, Manny, it wasn't confusing at all.

We get your message, loudly, frequently, and clearly. We understand you completely.

You're doing a great job. Please proceed.

Best wishes,

GOTV-Way MineralManny

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #60)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:28 AM

61. How do you think things are going for the 99% these days?

 

How are things compared to 30 years ago?

Compared to 5 years ago?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:30 AM

62. How do you think they'll be going if the Republicans

get control of the Senate, Manny? I deal with the future, and always have.

How do you think they'll go if we can get control of both houses of Congress? That's why I'm donating to specific Democrats who have a chance to pick up a House seat from the Republicans.

I'm sowing election activism. You're sowing pessimism. Which do you think will have the better effect?

All the best,

GOTV-Way MineralManny

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #62)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:35 AM

63. just sign on the dotted line

 

never mind the fine print. its not even there.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #62)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:53 AM

66. Are my questions unreasonable? Unfair?

 

Too challenging to answer?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:30 AM

70. unDemocratic.

 

you might prefer Classic Dem to the new formula being marketed, but who asked you to do anything but be quiet?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:15 AM

75. You're expecting 50 years of Republican work to be reversed in 5.

The Republicans have been working at this since Goldwater lost. You're pissed Democrats did not undo that work in 5 years.

Yes, your expectations are unreasonable.

And you will be disappointed by the next Democratic president. And the one after that. By the one after that, we will have started making decent headway, but you'll still find something to be disappointed about.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:52 PM

84. Straw congress n/t

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:37 AM

64. Why go after the poster and not the content of their post?

 

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:43 AM

65. the better to divide you with, my dear n/t

 

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:16 AM

69. It's called an ad hominem.

 

It's a logical fallacy.

It happens all the time on online discussion forums. Instead of commenting on the substance of the post, people will attack the poster.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:50 AM

73. Go reread my post.

I said what I'm doing instead of complaining about donation requests. I did comment on the poster's post. You just didn't like my comments. As for going after the poster, the poster said what he said. I replied. That's how discussion works. I explained how I handle those donation requests. That's addressing the content of the post. I even started my own OP, which you might enjoy reading.

All are about the content of the post, which cannot be separated from the poster who made it.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:21 AM

76. Because the poster vomits forth the same content with every post.

And taking apart his argument in past posts does not result in any differences in the next post.

The poster is pissed that Democrats have not reversed everything the Republicans have worked on for the last 50 years. In 5 years. With a 1-vote margin, at best.

Point this out, or otherwise remind this poster about what has been accomplished, and it does nothing. You just get another angry "why didn't Democrats change everything?!!!" post the next day.

As a result, it becomes abundantly clear that the poster is not at all interested in discussing the subject. He's interested in being pissed off. The content of the posts doesn't matter, he just wants to be mad. So there's no point in discussing the content.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #76)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:44 PM

83. yet he doesnt attack other posters, he questions murky and wrongheaded policy

 

you, on the other hand dont appear to question murky and wrongheaded policy.
you do attack other posters.
which is the act of divisiveness,
and which the act of grassroots solidarity?

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Response to reddread (Reply #83)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:06 PM

94. Oh no, he attacks other posters just fine.

you, on the other hand dont appear to question murky and wrongheaded policy.

Nope, I do evil things like point out we did not have the votes to pass the correct policy. For example, we did not have enough votes to pass single-payer. Then I go on to talk about how we can use the ACA to get the correct policy.

At which point, someone like you attacks, claiming that Obama could have gotten the votes somehow.

which is the act of divisiveness, and which the act of grassroots solidarity?

Well, setting expectations in the stratosphere and then spending 5 years bitching that they were not reached is rather devastating to a community.

And constantly attacking the wrong target is also quite unhelpful - demanding that the President pass laws and then getting angry when he isn't a dictator is also quite devastating to a community.

But hey, you know that, right? You're only interested in building community, not just throwing out insults like "Obama worshiper". Because that would be rather damaging to the community too.

Oh wait....

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #94)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:14 PM

95. where do you get all of that whole cloth you fabricate with?

 

you couldnt find a cite for any of your make believe accusations if your life depended on it.
hardly part of the deal for you, is it?

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Response to reddread (Reply #95)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:24 PM

97. Yes, I didn't bother with direct quotes.

But you've been in plenty of threads.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:35 AM

46. If they would only REALLY fight for the 99%

instead of playing lip service. The problem is, they've bullshitted the American public for so long that people just aren't interested in hearing it. It's like the lover who's cheated on you time and time again. After awhile their "I'm sorry" just doesn't mean anything.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:35 PM

89. So true - they're being tuned out for good reason.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:38 AM

47. Well guess what? The Dem Party relies on a large base of small donors

 

While the GOP relies on a small base of huge donations.

Which do you prefer?

Your OP is poppycock.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:40 AM

48. So Don't Give Then?



But I can't imagine that I'm the only one who feels this way.


I know, we needed to be informed or asked or something. Thanks for letting me know!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:08 AM

56. Jury results for the OP

 

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

At least they could *try*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024757040

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post is baseless criticism of the Democratic Party. The poster knows very well what the Democratic Parity is doing to try to help the 99%. Him saying otherwise is just not believable. The party relies on a large number of small donations. This post is disruptive at the least, disenfranchising at the worse.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:05 AM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I just found out that we can rec the alerted post while on jury duty. Cool.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This has to be one of the WORST alerts I have ever seen. I wish DU could/would revoke the ability for some people to alert and waste 6 other people's time.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I suggest that the person who wrote the OP unsubscribe from unwanted e-mails and stop trying to discourage other, authentic, Democrats from supporting the party. Some of us around here are still actually interested in electing Dems.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alert abusers should face remedy.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:17 AM

59. Thanks.

 

I just assume that everything I post is alerted on, hopefully I'm wrong. Interesting to see the results sometimes.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:10 PM

81. When you post an op you should alert on your self immediatly...

 

then no one else can alert on your op.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:39 PM

82. That doesn't work

 

Try alerting on your own post.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:07 PM

80. Rec ...thanks to Juror #1.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:52 PM

91. Pity that Juror #4

is so weak minded that a post on DU would prevent him/her from supporting Democrats. Very sad.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:05 AM

67. I no longer read such solicitations.

What I find particularly offensive are the e-mails and letters that ask for my opinion (as if any of these solicitors care one bit about my opinion). They ignore me, so I ignore them. I consider this fair.

-Laelth

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:11 AM

68. Would you donate to continue this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024758294

Does that sound good in a letter asking for donations to fight the evil republicans?

Now I really do have to run. A hedgehog is on it's way

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Response to Autumn (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:36 AM

72. Lovely. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:33 AM

71. They are being HONEST. They have no intention of doing anything other that winning another term. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:57 AM

74. Holy crap! Political parties request donations?...

When did this start happening?



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #74)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:50 AM

77. Missed the point again?

Yes you did.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #77)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:03 PM

78. Oh, I pretty much know exactly what point Manny was making...nt

Sid

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:04 PM

79. I only pay for something that comes with a warranty and itemized list purchase receipt.

 

I want to know what I am paying for. What doesn't come with the package would be helpful too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:17 PM

85. It's the FEAR card and it works well.

you know "the terrorists will git ya", or "if you don't vote D you'll end up with R's", yadda yadda yadda

It's pathetic.

-p

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:37 PM

86. I considered it then contributed to the ACLU, PP, Kiva, and the SPCA.

 

You know, groups that actually do something and have ideals.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:32 PM

88. My $ goes to Davis & van de Putte.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:45 PM

90. I get multiple mails a day

Most of them saying the same dire warnings and as you say nothing positive about what they plan only how they have to fight to defeat the other guys. I have begun to systematically unsubscribe to most of them and stating as my reason too many begging emails a day. But if I sign a petition, or donate to one candidate, the mails start up all over again even if I select when given the option not to receive mails. OR i stop receiving mail from one senator and another starts . . . that alone is starting to turn me off to their requests .

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:16 PM

96. K&R..

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:44 PM

99. "GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US GIVE US,

 

and then SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE F/CK UP, cuz the GOP sux more than we do."

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