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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:08 AM Apr 2014

Long ‘waiting list’ for Florida vouchers doesn’t actually exist. Another ed reformer lie.

The legislature is trying to pass some bills to expand vouchers to private schools. Right now only the physically or learning handicapped qualify for McKay vouchers, and the poor and needy qualify for others. Both take money from public schools and deplete their resources.

Teachers are constantly held accountable. It's past time that the "reformers" are held responsible as well.

Long ‘waiting list’ for Florida vouchers doesn’t actually exist

Florida’s lawmakers are considering expanding a voucher-like tax credit program because, legislators keep saying, there is a huge waiting list of families who want to participate. It turns out that there is no waiting list.

...The Florida legislature has been considering legislation that would expand the state’s Tax Credit Scholarship Program, a voucher-like scheme that allows public money to be used for private school tuition but wouldn’t require much if anything in the way of accountability from schools that accept vouchers. (For example, the students wouldn’t have to take the high-stakes standardized tests required of public school students.)

....But the larger point is that the expansion of the program has been pushed by Step Up For Students based on what it and supportive legislators have said is a very, very long waiting list of families who want to participate. Rep. Erik Fresen, a Republican from Miami who was one of the legislators who figured out how to keep the expansion idea alive, said at a hearing in Tallahassee about the bill that there is a waiting list of families seeking the tax credits that now stands “at 100,00 students.” During the debate about the legislation, a figure of 34,000 families on a waiting list has been thrown about, as have other figures.

Specifically citing such numbers suggests there is an actual waiting list. But, it turns out, there isn’t. After school activists and reporters asked for details about the waiting list, Step Up For Students acknowledged that, alas, it doesn’t really keep one. There aren’t any people on the waiting list because there isn’t a waiting list. Why?


Here's why:

The people who process applications at Step Up, which publishes this blog, have become so overwhelmed in recent years that they no longer wanted to give low-income families false hope. They concluded that the main reason for the waiting list was mostly for show, and they wanted no part of that.


Last year charter school advocates were doing the very same thing...lying about the huge waiting list which turned out to be non-existent. They just make it up as they go.

FL charter schools claim 80,000 on waiting list. Not true.

Miami Demorat Representative Kionne L. McGhee didn’t let Florida charter school lobbyist Jim Horne off the hook during this week’s public testimony on the Florida House’s latest charter school bill. Horne, whom sources say wrote the bill, made the claim that there are 80,000 children on charter school’s waiting lists.

..."When McGhee inquired about the numbers, Horne quickly began back-pedaling with vague responses. Sensing Horne’s evasions, he asked two more questions about the numbers forcing FLDOE’s Michael Kooi to the podium to sheepishly admit the numbers were coming from the charter schools. Miami Dade official Iraida Mendez-Cartaya followed Kooi with testimony pointing out that in her district, students are likely to appear on more than one waiting list – an obvious reason for such inflated numbers.


The moment had to be an embarrassing one for Horne, a former state commissioner of education. It was clear he knew the numbers wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny. But the brief exchange again showed charter school’s high paid mouthpieces will say anything.
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Long ‘waiting list’ for Florida vouchers doesn’t actually exist. Another ed reformer lie. (Original Post) madfloridian Apr 2014 OP
It matters when the "reformers" lie. madfloridian Apr 2014 #1
Well, since charter schools hate vouchers Recursion Apr 2014 #2
Kudos, mad, for your chervilant Apr 2014 #3
The posts drop faster and faster if "education" is mentioned. madfloridian Apr 2014 #4
Group admits "waiting list" mostly for show. Doesn't really exist. madfloridian Apr 2014 #5

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Well, since charter schools hate vouchers
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:42 AM
Apr 2014

And private schools hate charters, hopefully the two can out each others lies here...

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
3. Kudos, mad, for your
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 06:21 AM
Apr 2014

tireless efforts to address the ongoing assault on public education. (...and, for your courage in the face of those who relentlessly proffer snarks and condescension.)

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
4. The posts drop faster and faster if "education" is mentioned.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 07:14 AM
Apr 2014

I would think it is probably because most are simply okay with it. Can't overcome decades of negative propaganda.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
5. Group admits "waiting list" mostly for show. Doesn't really exist.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:24 PM
Apr 2014
....But the larger point is that the expansion of the program has been pushed by Step Up For Students based on what it and supportive legislators have said is a very, very long waiting list of families who want to participate. Rep. Erik Fresen, a Republican from Miami who was one of the legislators who figured out how to keep the expansion idea alive, said at a hearing in Tallahassee about the bill that there is a waiting list of families seeking the tax credits that now stands “at 100,00 students.” During the debate about the legislation, a figure of 34,000 families on a waiting list has been thrown about, as have other figures.

Specifically citing such numbers suggests there is an actual waiting list. But, it turns out, there isn’t. After school activists and reporters asked for details about the waiting list, Step Up For Students acknowledged that, alas, it doesn’t really keep one. There aren’t any people on the waiting list because there isn’t a waiting list. Why?


Here's why:


The people who process applications at Step Up, which publishes this blog, have become so overwhelmed in recent years that they no longer wanted to give low-income families false hope. They concluded that the main reason for the waiting list was mostly for show, and they wanted no part of that.


But the attacks on public school teachers by these same reformers are not for show at all. They are very real, and they are harming good teachers with long careers.

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