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malaise

(268,980 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:53 AM Apr 2014

To what extent has the notion of self-mastery of basic virtues vanished from

our value system.
How does a teenager blow most of the money placed in his account by error?
How do politicians and their goons lock down a bridge for political vindictiveness or block the registration of voters?
Whatever happened to basic virtues required for a civilized society- honesty, self-discipline, time-management, integrity, respect for others, self-control, etc.
Greed, avarice, win by any means necessary, crass commercialism, self-indulgence and , individualism over community in the name of wealth and power have replaced everything we once deemed important.

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To what extent has the notion of self-mastery of basic virtues vanished from (Original Post) malaise Apr 2014 OP
Both sides are always with us. panader0 Apr 2014 #1
Well that's profound because malaise Apr 2014 #3
Wow CFLDem Apr 2014 #8
I really don't think any of this is new behavior. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #2
I think people are more exposed to the hypocrisy of leaders today malaise Apr 2014 #5
The greater our population, the greater the competitition for resources, including money. randome Apr 2014 #4
Reagan happened... Greed is Good! tk2kewl Apr 2014 #6
There are many factors, of course... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #7

panader0

(25,816 posts)
1. Both sides are always with us.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

An Indian parable:
A grandfather told his grandson, "My son there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies, and ego. The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, integrity, humility, kindness, empathy, and truth."

The boy thought for a moment, then asked, "Grandfather, which one wins?"

The old man queitly replied, "the one you feed."

malaise

(268,980 posts)
3. Well that's profound because
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

leaders in most spheres, the media and what appears to be valued most these days are greed and power - that is the one being fed so why would an eighteen year old not understand that he's just another thief.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
2. I really don't think any of this is new behavior.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

I think we're more aware of things happening, like the kid who spent all the money mistakenly put into his account, due to the internet. As far as politics, there have always been goons in high places.

It's a constant struggle between the forces of good and evil and always has been.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
5. I think people are more exposed to the hypocrisy of leaders today
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:19 AM
Apr 2014

as a result of technology and think they can get away with criminality as well.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. The greater our population, the greater the competitition for resources, including money.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:11 AM
Apr 2014

Greed is 'encouraged' by over-competition.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
7. There are many factors, of course...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

...but the first thing that springs to my mind is the Ayn Rand philosophy that has been injected into our culture and spread like a poisonous virus.

I used to think it was a small percentage of people who bought into it, and I'm sure that is true, at least as far as people consciously buying into it. But what made me realize it is much more deeply embedded was when I found out that Alan Greenspan was not only a believer in that philosophy, but had been one of her acolytes and literally studied at her feet, it made me realize that the power players were invested heavily in that ideology.

Again, not trying to sound all paranoid or trying to oversimplify. There are many factors at play. But that philosophy is so utterly toxic, and it is so well accepted by powerful contingents in Washington, that it has allowed people to glorify all the things you cite in your last paragraph. The people who win using this philosophy then sit atop their pile and say "If you were as good as me, you'd be up here too; since you're not, you're just a POS who deserves nothing."

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