Shockingly, the current Disney-released "Captain America" installment takes on the Deep State

[villager]

Just saw "Winter Soldier" last night, and it's as close as we're gonna get, in the current studio system, to a political thriller that addresses, fairly directly, the abuses of info-gathering by government agencies, the agendas of the "Deep State" (though that particular phrase isn't used) vs. the publicly stated, PR-tinged ones, etc.

Hell, the movie even brings up "Operation Paperclip," and suggests the Nazi toxins our government deliberately injected itself with continue to affect ("infect?&quot us to this day.

All done with hyperbolic action sequences, of course (but well-staged ones) but I'm not sure any other large-scale film this year is going to touch on our continued erosion of freedom and privacy in such a direct (i.e., critical to the plot) way.

[kentauros]

1. I haven't seen the movie yet, so no spoilers, okay?

I did get the impression of secrecy and similar ideas as you've suggested just from the previews and ads. Even as it's an action movie, just whatever the character played by Robert Redford is suggests that deeper underpinnings of secret stuff. I know I'm not making much sense, just that it seems like a compelling movie even beyond the action sequences

[villager]

3. Your impressions are right on, kentauros

...and I won't even spoil the scene where ____________

[kentauros]

6. I'm just happy to see Redford doing a role like this.

He's such a versatile actor. Of course, I'm also kind of expecting him to be like his "Sneakers" character in some respects

[villager]

8. Just had a conversation about "Sneakers" 20 minutes ago, in relation to the new "Cap"

Haven't even looked at that film in years. Gonna hafta re-watch it...

[kentauros]

10. It's always worth re-watching.

So many great actors in it, and great lines!

[villager]

13. Phil Alden Robinson kinda disappeared after that!

We need him to make more films!

[kentauros]

16. He is still active in Hollywood, according to IMDb.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004675/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

And, it looks like he's just completed a movie called The Angriest Man in Brooklyn. It also appears to have a great cast: Mila Kunis, Peter Dinklage, Robin Williams, and James Earl Jones! (plus many others, at the link.)

Some people have bad days. Henry Altmann (Williams) has one every day. Always unhappy and angry at the world including everyone in it, Henry sits impatiently at the doctor's office when he is finally seen by Dr. Sharon Gill (Kunis). Sharon, who is enduring her own bad day, reveals that Henry has a brain aneurysm. This news makes Henry even angrier, yelling at Sharon he demands to know how much time he has left. Faced with Henry's anger and insults, Sharon abruptly tells him he has only 90 minutes. Shocked and reeling by this news, Henry storms out of the office leaving Sharon stunned by what she has just done in a lapse of judgment. As Sharon goes on a city-wide search, Henry struggles with his diagnosis, determined to make amends with everyone he has hurt in his life. Written by Lionsgate

[villager]

17. well good! Maybe he's back!

[Prophet 451]

2. Is it any good as a film?

I loved the first Cap movie and have been planning to see this one when it opens here.

[villager]

4. Best Marvel film since the second Spiderman, I think

Certainly my favorite since then.

[Prophet 451]

5. Good recommendation, thanks n/t

[SomethingFishy]

7. Doesn't open here till Friday but...

all the reviews I have read basically agree with you... I couldn't figure out how they got Redford to "cash in" in a super hero movie but judging from what you say and the reviews, this is no ordinary comic book movie..

[villager]

9. It's "3 Days of the Condor" as a superhero film

[Gidney N Cloyd]

11. I think I heard there's a tie-in with tonight's Agents of Shield, too.

REALLY looking forward to this one.

[villager]

12. Really? Well, it would certainly make sense from a marketing standpoint, too

...given the film opens on Friday (in the U.S.!)

[Blue_Adept]

14. No surprise

It's something that's been covered in comics for years.

But hey, comics are for kids, so who would think deep and important issues could be covered in there. Or that superheroes could symbolize something else.

Captain America in particular has a lot of good themes to work with and we've seen a number of iterations over the years with how he deals with America and the world. Same with Superman and many others.

[reddread]

15. they even had Nixon as the top super baddy offing himself WAY back when

"they" being an entirely different they.
Id be more impressed if they did right by the Kirby Estate.
those thieving magpies.

[villager]

18. Doing right by Kirby would be a good thing...

I agree.

[FSogol]

20. True, Captain America took down Nixon (leader of the Secret Empire) in the 70s

In his comic he always sides with the American People over the government.

[villager]

19. Agree, Blue Adept. And perhaps no accident this is one of the most political studio films since "V..

...for Vendetta."

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. Ok.. I'm gonna quit watching an episode of Archer

and watch the new capt film now

Redford chooses his films carefully and wouldn't put his energy into something he didn't believe in.

I can't believe he's in this film.......damn thanks for the heads up.

[villager]

22. I don't know if you need to quit watching "Archer"

It's a pretty damn good show

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Just tried the new capt. movie

couldn't watch it because its a lousy in house cam reproduction with bad sound and a noisy audience. I'll have to wait

Back to Archer..season 4
The Papal Chase

[villager]

24. Well, yeah. If you're gonna torrent...

...torrent well!

[whatchamacallit]

25. "Fuck Snowald!"

Just getting straight to where all NSA discussions ultimately end up.

[villager]

26. I guess that contingent will be seeing the film.. to root against Cap!

[whatchamacallit]

27. Haha, guess so

[AverageJoe90]

28. Sounds like an interesting movie to me.

Would watch, right now, if I had the chance.

[Jim Lane]

29. Any background needed?

I sometimes read Captain America stories as a kid, but I haven't kept up with the continuity and I didn't see any of the other movies in which he appears. Can I just go into this one cold, or is there backstory that's needed?

[villager]

30. Well, there's Falcon and Black Widow in it

Falcon's first movie appearance (previously just in comics), and Black Widow from general Marvel continuity in "The Avengers," etc.

Plus, of course, the "3 Days of the Condor" reversals are a little more interesting when steeped in previous "SHIELD" mythos.

But generally speaking, you should be fine heading into it cold...